It also needs to be noted that the owner of this private ranch, Glenn Spencer, has close ties to Shawna Forde, Minuteman American Defense director, and it was leaving his ranch that Forde was arrested by the FBI and charged with murder in the home-invasion/robbery that resulted in the death of nine year old Brisenia Flores and her father.

Here is one link, but there are many more out there. Just Google Glen Spencer and/or Shawna Forde to get the details.

http://blogs.phoenixnewtimes.com/bastard/2010/08/joe_arpaio_jd_hayworth_shawna_1.php

Should make for an interesting party once the National Guard shows up and tells these weekend warriors to go away.

I once worked with that "charming radio host," and I can tell you he's a total wacko.

here's a quote from his facebook page:

"Sierra Vista, Arizona's Media is dishonest... Media reports 500, actual numbers I counted, over 1700...
Share and suggest friends for me, as more of you are now learning, that "The Wizard of Is," the "Vitamin Pill with Legs" is a force to be reckoned with."

i think he was counting people three at a time... birds of a feather sure did flock together down there this weekend...

All organisms, whether biological, philosophical or political lash out like Mambas caught in a corner before they are extinguished.

With all this talking about the trial and tribulations we euphemistically refer to as “politics” or “the game”, I got to thinking about all our various differences in opinion when, underlying it all is the pretty basic personal belief in all of us that, separately or together, aren’t we really all trying to make the world a better place? It’s like a proof in calculus: it’s not really the end result or “answer” that’s most important, it’s how you got the answer. But missing from the discussion is the “elephant in the room”, that none of us, on whichever side of the issue we’re on, has acknowledged what the (in my opinion) real obstruction is to such a solution. Many people are stupid. They are stupefied and terrified.

When you get down to it, there really are only two groups of people left. Those with wisdom and those without. I don’t care if you’re William F. Buckley, George Will, Jesse Jackson, or Che Chevara, while they offer both good and ridiculous solutions to various problems plaguing our country, commentators left, right, center, and on nearby galaxy clusters will not admit what anybody who watches “news” by now knows: there’s lots and lots of dopes out there. And that’s not the worst aspect of it. Those who are wise are stunned, shunned, and stupefied by the lack of reasoning and the repetition of the script by those who aren’t right and not even close. And the terror has rendered the reasoned inert. They stand and seek inclusion in a world that perpetuates and thrives on exclusion. They’ve turned their cheeks so often that they now use their emptied hands to locate their mouths. They were taught to tolerate those who would taunt, that justice and wisdom eventually rule the day.

And the ones who cannot reason - yet were deemed reasonable by various opportunists and snakes in the grass - now behave unreasonably and they taunt the taut. Yet they’ve struck out so many times that they’ve bloodied their hands. So they pocket their emptied fists. Now no one has an open hand and no one offers his brother a helping hand. Hell, they wouldn’t even point to the exit if you were in a theater and it caught fire!

Not only are some people too stupid to get it, everyone is too selfish to give it. And neither will give in. They’ve got nothing left to give and they’ve decide to quit and give out.

And the wise are stupefied because they know it could have been more. It could have been better and it isn’t. So they’ve given up. Unfortunately, there are more stupid people than smart people. Think about a normalized distribution, with 100 being the average IQ. I don't think a 100 IQ is particularly intelligent, and there are around a third of the people now who have an IQ lower than that. And alas, below even that group, are the tea baggers.

Tea Party patrons want their country back. Do they not realize they have their country. America stands for Freedom for everyone, all religions, races, and sexual orientation. It gives each of us the right to shoot off our mouths, even voice lies, hate and ignorance . Like the mosque. Is it in poor taste yes, but if we violate their freedom we become like them. Our President was elected by majority that is how it works. Go ahead spread your venom. This old lady just prays people have enough wisdom no matter their political belief to check out the validity of what they hear and read. then make a informed choice. I have not seen the hatred and prejudice we have today since the sixties and seventies, and it has been spread by political figures, I am ashamed of the actions of many Americans: no wonder we have so little respect in the world, we have lost respect for each other. But that is the cost of the freedom I hold so dear wouldn't give it up so you ignorant fools have at it

ABP should be arrested for impersonating federal officers. this is what happens when you stick your head too long into the ground....you get fuzzy.

Mr. Venuti lives here in Tucson? I've never heard of him. Neither have I heard that we're finding home invaders in our beds. Delusional or just a liar? In fact the worst crime committed in Southern Arizona recently WAS the cold-blooded murder of Brisenia Flores and her dad in their home, by a member of the Minutemen, who are funded by the KKK. The Minutemen weren't invited here and need to find another home. They're funded by hate, for hate, and their own sick, subversive, sadistic pleasure. These people love to "play war" and accumulate guns and money, training camps and politicians. They'd all do us a big favor and enlist to fight in Iraq or Afghanistan, since they consider themselves "professional soldiers". They are obviously NOT patriots; patriots wouldn't go around America causing Americans to hate each other. I wish MainStreamMedia would ignore them, they hate to be ignored. Just show up in Tucson for the trial of Glenn Spencer, in honor of the little girl who was murdered...and follow the money.

I went to college in Arizona in the 70;s. Worked and lived there til I could get out. At 17 my scholarship award winning mind set was this... Phoenix especially, and the rest of the state i'd imagine depend a great deal on the income derived from drug trafficking . The chemical drug industry and its profits are so much a part of that state's economy, the illegals , doing everything they can to keep the big drug, big money pipeline up and running are not the tia's and tio's,hermano's y hermanas... Yes this is a problem the federal govt. could solve, by putting all police, and military force at the border. Abandon the war on drugs, or wage it finally at the border.

zard007008@aol.com liz fulton

I have a border solution that's a hoot! (PLEASE do a segment on this!) I was watching the movie "Coneheads" and the director that controls the immigration agency made a suggestion for a "Border Solution". Put a collar on mexicans and bury an electric fence under the entire border line so when an illegal alien tries to cross over they catch on fire and blow up. LOL!