Louisiana State Representative John LaBruzzo
A new bill in the Louisiana state legislature would outlaw all abortions. A doctor who provided one could be brought up on charges of feticide, which carries a sentence of five to 15 years.
In its current form, the bill (pdf) would also leave women who choose abortion at risk of prosecution for the same crime. The Republican state representative who's sponsoring the bill says that part's a mistake. Representative John LaBruzzo tells the Times-Picayune he'll take that measure out for practical reasons.
"That will be amended out before it is heard in committee," LaBruzzo said Wednesday. "That is a mis-draft; that is not acceptable to me. That would make it too difficult to pass, otherwise."
What Mr. LaBruzzo's really after, of course, is a chance to challenge Roe v. Wade before a U.S. Supreme Court that's ready to chip away at it, if not overturn it. Kate Sheppard reports on Mother Jones today that Louisiana lawmakers have been passing extreme anti-abortion bills for several years now.
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This is what happens when we stay home from elections. Shame on all that did not work to GOTV....and Rachel...love ya girl but you are a prime cause. Wait until you are my age with children. We as parents worry about the future of our young adults. We want a progressive future but it takes TIME!!!!!!!!!!!!! Eight years of Republican rule ran this country into a ditch. What did you think? Did you think we could change this is 2 years? Grow up!
YOU DO NOT EAT A WHALE IN ONE BITE. YOU NIBBLE THE DAMN THING TO DEATH.
Roe and Doe worked their way up, and slowly, as did Brown I and II. But the SCOTUS was different then.
Now, it is more of the Court FDR faced. Not so friendly, folks. Not so much. And POTUS has not had one appointment. Not one.
Act and organize accordingly. Yes, act and organize accordingly.
I have no Uterus -- I like the playpen -- but I respect your right to control yours.
The choice is a woman's; the choice is for women to make. I should have no say in this. It is not my body and never will be.
Act.
Please.
If you insist; if you demand I shall march too. But it must be and it can only be YOU.
Am I too blunt? Am I too harsh? Pray I am not. I love women, but if they do not stand for themselves what, pray, am I to do?
I won't stand up for you unless you stand up for yourself? I'll only march if you INSIST? Please. Don't lecture people about taking action while talking about how you'll only take action if you absolutely have to. Anyone of any gender who is an ally to women will stand up and take action. Allies don't have to be asked and pushed to stand up. Don't speak to 'women' like we're children you need to chide and teach. That isn't respect, it is mansplaining at its most annoying and condescending.
Also, Obama has put two people on the SCOTUS. Not sure where you've been, but he's had 2 appointments, both women. Facts: they're what's for dinner.
Oh, and don't refer to Dr. Maddow as 'girl' - she's a woman, and she doesn't need to have children to understand the world, what it means to BE a woman or why we need to take action.
You bet Karyn. You bet. I believe with all my heart an soul women are the leaders of society. Women make the rules, or acceed to oppressors. Yes he has had two, but he has not had One. The One. The One who can challenge in conference the greatest driver of SCOTUS since, well, perhaps Douglas and that driver is Scalia. Scalia is brilliant and he is forceful. A steamroller. Funny, witty, smarter than all hell set loose; and powerful.
Why?
He has told us why, again and again: "The Supreme Court is a Committee of Lawyers that meets in the City of Washington."
Take it to that level; accept it for what it is, be in any committee setting, and you will see. It is easier than you think. One strong person against an aging, yet vital force, we win. Sotomayor is not it. Too calm and (pejoritively stated) "judicial" She is deferential, not innovative nor snarky.Justice Kagan the same. No juice, either of them. Vote correctly, but No Moxie and No Music. He needs an appointment that bends the stream, not fills a demographic niche. H.R. Clinton would do it well, but she is not interested just now. Why should she be? She runs foreign policy, and she is foreign policy, and she is doing it very well indeed, That is my point -- and it is unassailable. Power fulfills itself; Power knows itself; Power seeks itself. There is no substitute -- Never has been. Never will be. No way. No how. Not Today. Not Tomorrow. Not Never.
The courage to reach. Hard concept. Never pleasant. Yet telling for a long long time.
Oh, yeah. Don't tell me about confirmation. Appoint and wait. Do not run when Faux screams or the media whines or the weaklings in the Senate want to run. Wait. Be patient. Endure. Prevail. The hare, and the hare-brained, and the hare-disposed do not win the battle. The stubborn do. And that is irrespective of anything. "Noive," as Curly would say, "Noive."
Also it will take several months of news cycles perhaps. But so what? Do we really need our aches and pains to be cured or our wrinkles removed within a 30 second window? Speaking only for me, but my afflictions be they of age or dissolute behavior born are quite permanent.
Zeal and haste have been our enemy. An eagerness to take the soft road our downfall. Let us resolve to lose that burden.
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All of these abortion laws are being passed in various states so that the issue can be brought before the SCOTUS. I have no doubt that the SCOTUS would love to overturn Roe v. Wade, but the political price for Republicans would be too great. The problem with that is an outright overturn of Roe v. Wade would galvanize women's groups and benefit the Dems. It would hasten the day when Republicans will become a permanent minority in Congress. Women voters are a large voting group and without their votes, most Republicans in swing districts will be in serious trouble that will last for more than just the next elections.
Agreed, IF the republican really wanted to overturn it, they could have years ago, BUT that would cost them with their base. How? Like Mike said & how else could they get so many Christian radicals to back them? Certainly not b/c they follow the Bible.
Abortion is not a Republican issue.
And LaBruzzo knows about pregnancy and child birth because he has carried how many children to term? Been raped how many times? Been told "Honey, don't worry, I had a vasectomy how many times? Walk in mile in a woman's mocassins baby, then propose bills in your state!!
Men need to be banned from voting on female health prohibitions.
Or at least have to pass a female health literacy test.
Why is there NEVER a bill saying the FATHER MUST take care of the kid?
I absolutely agree. Men have no right to dictate that a woman go through pregnancy, delivery, and then have the responsibility of raising a child. Especially when rape (including date rape and girls being pressured into having sex) and incest exist. Plus, once the girl or woman is forced into carrying out a pregnancy, where are these bible-thumping preachers of morality when it's time to buy food and clothing for the child, get medical coverage, daycare...?
Right-to-life people are actually going to kill women with pregnancy complications?
This bill would prevent doctors from saving the life of women with ectopic pregnancy, ruptured uterus, pre-eclampsia, and other life-threatening pregnancy complications.
How can someplace like Louisiana elect mentally retarded people to public office?
Oops. Sorry. My bad for insulting retarded people.
Women of child-bearing age need to leave Louisiana for the same reason intelligent people needed to leave iron curtain countries during the 1970s & 1980s.
Of course these Christian spouting people are going to kill women. BUT, it will be in the name of God. It seems to me they are intensely against abortion, but as soon as you are born you are free-game. Hence, the wars and the medicare vouchers. Do you think our elders won't die at a rate that our men & women in the military are dying? You bet cha..............................
Why does it appear the party of (faux) family values and Christian beliefs are the same people who seem to have none?
Welcome to the daddy state where the government is always ready with the strap, just itching for you to get out of line. And if you're not actually misbehaving? No worries. The rules will be changed so that you are. Whack! Whack!
So much for these backward, right-wing, ultra-religious, mysoginist bigots spouting "less government is better!" Complete and utter morons! STAY OUT OF MY HEALTH CHOICES!
THe absurdity of these type laws, is that they (the same legislators) NEVER support or propose legislation that would help take care of all those unwanted children. They would rather see the kids abused for years in life before their elders ill them. What insanity. Woman of the US and Louisiana in particular ought to withhold sex from all males--married, single, hookers and the like-Until laws like this are removed from consideration.
Love this if only this could happen.
It's funny you should mention this...I was just telling a co-worker the other day that women across the country should refuse to have sex with any man...boyfriend, husband, client....whatever the case may be....until they stopped with this bull@!$%#. Citing the reason that..."I might get pregnant, and right now...I don't want a kid" Or....and this is my personal favorite....they should all just become lesbians. They still get the sex without the risk. ;) How awesome is that? ;)
Besides...according to them it's all just a choice anyway, right? So every woman is America should "choose" to be gay...until they stop with this nonsense.
I wonder how long those @!$%#s would hold out then if their wives and/or girlfriends told them to "Get acquainted with your hand, cuz I'm getting mine elsewhere and I won't get pregnant."?
The only flaw in the plan that I can see is that the men who are the type to promote legislation such as this have the foresight to marry self-loathing women.
Maybe I'm being too harsh.
Or, maybe, not harsh enough.
David Vitter would not have a problem if his wife held out on him. MeddlingMonk, I would say you were not harsh enough.
No monk, you aren't being too harsh. I had been dumbfounded all my life at the fact that women always seem to gravitate to the men who treat them worst. Maybe there is some kind of reverse psychology at where women have a compulsion to try to win approval from men who deny it to them. Whereas men who like them and treat them well, are fit to "just be friends" with. Its enough to really make me not like women. Fortunately I've got a good wife and she doesn't even like me. [shrug]
This a condensed version of 3 comments I left in the Morning Maddow 4/26 thread, but since they were in response to this bill, it makes sense to move repeat them here:
You know, I expect the right-wing, uber conservative folk to draft and lobby and push and even pass laws like this.
What I don't expect, and what stings even more, is for the "feminist" groups with some amount of clout to not be fighting them tooth and nail.
You may find this article of interest:
http://www.rhrealitycheck.org/blog/2011/04/21/creatinghobson-choice-abortion-rights
You're popular with me! That is exactly what I was yelling at the TV machine during that interview, and what has been churning around in my head and my heart ever since. Roe v. Wade isn't a trophy that we're trying to keep from the other team: it is a human right, it is dignity, it is safety, it is control over our very flesh. That isn't something you let slip away by degrees, ceding the rights of women with less power than you so you can keep some control for yourself or maybe just the empty shell of a long stale victory. That's just @!$%#ting on your own legacy if you ask me.
The women in power in those organizations won a lot of important battles in the past, and I respect that, but if they can't get in the trenches and fight anymore they need to get out of the damn way and let the next generation take over. Entrenched power of any kind doesn't lend itself to changing gears and moving on. It certainly doesn't lend itself to handing power over to the fresh leaders.
As I've been angrily tweeting to no one in particular at 1:30am: NOW and the HRC go hand in hand. They are happy to trade rights for political power and then point fingers at everyone else when nothing gets done. I say we tie on our @!$%#-kickers and march right past them. If you aren't fighting, you aren't relevant.
Antoinette - that article was great! thanks for sharing!
Karyn - you are my people :) but you knew that :) I am so tired of these orgs that have gained mainstream street cred by pushing the vulnerable or less "mainstream friendly" among them to the sidelines.
Rachel won my heart forever when she ranted on the HRC not using the word gay in their name back in her air america days :)
Republicans think they are on a mission from God but are actually benefiting the competition.
This is the same legislator that wanted to sterilize poor black women.
Outlawing abortion makes good economic sense because every civilized society needs a large, unempowered underclass. If we don't have our own, we have to import it. And you know what that means....furriners! And we can't even send them to fight our imperial wars!
Also, women are weak and prone to breaking God's law, so they need to be husbanded amirite?
Your are brain death your think outlawing abortion will stop it will not and more people will die is this what your want. The bible dosn't say a thing about abortion. So stop, your men have no right when it come woman rights.
I think somedamnbody was being sarcastic. The part about "a large, unempowered underclass" seems to point in that direction. And the word "furriners".
This is the same legislator who wanted to sterilize poor black women.
A new study shows that Tea Part supporters support racism.
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Lousiana lawmaker advocates eugenics: Sterilize poor women, encourage rich to procreate.
The New Orleans Times-Picayune reports that state Rep. John LaBruzzo (R) said yesterday that “he is studying a plan to pay poor women $1,000 to have their Fallopian tubes tied.” LaBruzzo worries that people receiving food and housing assistance “are reproducing at a faster rate than more affluent, better-educated residents” ...
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Republicans Now Bringing Back School Segregation
We“ve all heard the cries from Republicans and Teapartiers claiming that they “want their country back!” Have you ever wondered what exactly was meant by the phrase? Well, here’s one way they’re trying to take back their country… Republicans in Minnesota want their school system segregated, and they’re in the final phases of funding a bill that will do just that.
Another great example of Republican small government
"women who choose abortion at risk of prosecution"
This is the exact reason the Supreme Court struck down abortion laws- the equal rights clause of the 14th amendment.
Another reason to strike down abortion laws is the first amendment "The right of the people to be secure in their persons".
Covah, you need to go back to the top and re-read the article, it clearly says that part was not going to be in the bill and should not have even been put there in the first place, Personally, I don't think this bill has a snowball's chance in hell of being passed and I also think this guy is a complete dope.
So I guess Repukes really do want to take us all back to the 1950's. I know my response is probably not appropriate, but we should threaten them with taking Viagra, Cialis, etc. off the shelves. IMO, this would be appropriate "retaliation". I'm just getting so sick of fighting a fight that we won in 1973. BTW, I agree 100% that no male should vote on women's issues--in fact, I don't want to hear a word from any male on this topic, unless he supports our right to choose.
It is pathetic that those pills are covered by medicare but contraceptive devices are not. Shows who is writing the laws & enforcing them
Grandma2, I support women's right to choose. Do you support men's? The law tells women that neither the sex act nor pregnancy is determinative in whether a person accepts legal parenthood. Under gender discrimination law, it should tell men the same thing. Want to abort, that is up to the woman. Want to give birth, that is also up to the woman. Want the man to pay child support or assume parental duties, that is (should be) up to the man.
When a unwanted pregnancy is force to continue, why isn't the man forced to take care of his own?
Jason, if your question is directed to my post, I am unaware of anyone who is forced to carry an unwanted pregnancy to term. Under the Roe decision, such pregnancies can be terminated. I spoke of pregnancy resulting from consensual sex, the vast majority of sexual intercourse, most of which is performed with no intention of bringing a child into the world. The ability and desire to have sex does not equate to the ability and desire to undergo pregnancy or parent a child.
Mostly was to get the question out there, & I think it is a great one. Of course we know the answer & that is basically the woman cares about the kid & men run & hide. -----------------You said this though "I am unaware of anyone who is forced to carry an unwanted pregnancy to term. Under the Roe decision, such pregnancies can be terminated"----------- Well, my friend, you have not been paying attention if this is what you believe. See states like OK, KS & their kind, there are laws preventing what you say is legal, & in particular the state of Kansas there are basically no places to go for this service mostly from Doctors being killed or harassed to the point of their lives & family lives are at risk. I think it is North Dakota where there is one clinic in the entire state & there is a doctor there one day a week who is flown in, as well there are laws there that restrict this service dramatically. What was it Wyoming where the legislators said the doctor must read something to help prevent this service, but when that law had an amendment attached saying that what the doctor was mandated to say must be factual, it failed. Look I am against abortion I think we can change how many happen, but only from love & care, not force & laws. PEACE
I don't think the majority of men "run and hide" any more than I think all women care about their children (witness the multiple cases, more often than men, of infanticide by women). I simply think that giving men a say in their own destiny, as we do for women, is appropriate. As for laws in "OK, KS & their kind" which may attempt to prevent abortion--they have not been challenged before the Supreme Court. They are, in fact, unconstitutional restrictions. I do not promote abortion, merely the right to choose. Peace, and thanks for the short chat--most people are unwilling to discuss this issue at all for some reason.
Grandma, you are being fooled into thinking this is a Republican only thing. I know many, many Republicans that think this kind of thing is hooie (the kind of stuff you find on your boot after a walk in the pasture) & would never vote for it. Don't be tricked into thinking every Republican thinks this way, it is what the hardcore Democrats want you to think but not true. Do you know how many Democrats hate the idea of any kind of women's right to choose?
But, anti-choice is part of the Republican Platform. They should abandon that as blatant pandering to the religious right. I'm sure there are democrats who don't personally believe that abortion is morally acceptable, and I'm sure that there are Republicans who believe that forcing women to carry any pregnancy to term is wrong--but using this issue to garner votes is pure politics. It is an individual liberty provided by our Constitution as determined by the Supreme Court, leave it at that.
OK Joe, I'll bite, do tell how many republicans are pro-choice? How many democrats are anti-choice?
Jason, Why would you try to claim it is a Republican thing if you can't tell us how many? I personally don't know but I do know it is not an issue anyone I know will support. (Dems. or Repubs.)
Is that supposed to mean anything? "Anyone you know?" You could live under a rock in the bottom of a well for all we know. And all the people you speak of knowing personally have been unethical or ineffectual.
Don, Of course you would say that, you have nothing to contribute to any conversations so you type crap. It's ok, it is expected so please carry on.
It never ceases to amaze. Truly. Is there anything you are physically incapable of being wrong about?
Principles & Values
Republican Party on Abortion
Click here for 4 full quotes on Abortion OR other political leaders on Abortion.
http://www.ontheissues.org/republican_party.htm
Abortion not a Republican issue my @ss.
And for the sake of completeness...
Democratic Party on Abortion
Click here for 4 full quotes on Abortion OR other political leaders on Abortion.
http://www.ontheissues.org/democratic_party.htm
In a way, abortion really isn't a Republican cause. It's more of a Republican idée fixe.
Don, are you actually asking me to open quotes in hopes that a few people saying what you said will prove you are intelligent? "Ontheissues"? who ever heard of them. Why don't you go to the actual Dem or Rep. website for more credible info of what each party believes?
Numbnutty joe...both positions were given from the same website, implying a degree of impartiality. Impartiality, something you generally look for when siting a source. Why? Because partisan website or sources tend to say exactly what their base wants to hear. Now while that makes for good masterbating masterial, it often poorly represents the facts. The exception is when a partisan source presents damning facts against their own side. Like Fox News reporting on Bush trying to privatize port security by contracting out to Dubai Port World instead of the coast guard. Do you understand now, simple joe?
Come to think of it, I DARE you to present material stating that the Republican position is PRO-CHOICE. That some Democrats are anti-abortion is not news, they are trying to peel off voters from anti-abortion Republican party.
Dopey Don, You generalize far too much. If one freakin' nutjob who just happens to be a Democratic voter does or says something completely asinine, should we all say the Democrats are all asinine nutjobs? Impartiality? are you kidding me? If I went to a KKK website and cited their positions on both African-American people and White people, do you think I could claim "Impartiality"? And again you prove at what level you are an idiot, I'm sure their are just as many Democrats that don't like abortion as there are Republicans. It is dopes like you that cause all the problems in the country. And once again, it is not that clear cut as either "anti-abortion" or "pro-choice". I am against abortion (some exceptions) and I always VOTE pro-choice in your OPINION, what does that make me? And am I an enemy to your point of view? (can't wait for you to wiggle your way around that one!)
Proof joe. Where is it?
Don, being exhaustive in conversation will not make you right. What do you want 'PROOF' of now? Proof that the site you quoted is not credible?
Simple question. Put up or shut up.
Don, is the @!$%# so packed in your head that it continually runs out of your mouth? I never said it was "THE'" Republican position, I said every Republican is not pro choice.(probably not even close to half VOTE anti-abortion even if they are personally against it.) You being the dope you are needs to repeatedly see your own posting so you change everything that is said to fit what you want it to say.
Poor ole joe here, let me see if i can help ------ republicans not only vote against abortions of any kind, they somehow draw a line to abortion on countless items so that their brainwashed followers will think they are with them. I know that wont help but need to say it. to think that republicans dont abuse the abortion issue for political gain is simply choosing to ignore facts.
Don, I stand by my statement. I think just as many Democrats vote against abortion as Republicans (that means just as many vote pro-choice). You claiming Republicans are evil bastards for it makes YOU the brainwashed idiot or you are playing the stupid people here just like Ed & Rachel are, either way, you are not as slick as you think.
Jason, you are right about one thing, Some Republicans vote against abortion (the other half vote pro-choice) same as the Democrats. And as for the "abuse the abortion issue" the Democrats do it just as much so don't be claiming some kind of moral victory here. Your view of other people is so generalized that you can't see off this board.
Unafilliated Joe"you are right about one thing, Some Republicans vote against abortion (the other half vote pro-choice)" WOW, This is such a typical brainwashed thing for someone to say. Since you cannot name one republican who is pro-choice I simply must go with you are brainwashed. In fact if any republican ever dare to mention that they are pro-choice, they feel the entire wrath of the republican hit machine & will find themselves out of office. Joe don't you have internet or tv? Didn't you watch the republican party hold the USA government hostage over planned parenthood, saying @!$%# like well over 90% of planned parenthood's budget goes for abortion? geeeez these silly teabagger are impossible
Simple joe...prove it.
If you don't know how to copy and paste, you right click on the you address bar at the top of your browser on the page you want to make a link to...you click "copy" then you go to where to want to post. Click on the place you want to post, right click right of the cursor, hit "paste." The link should appear. If you want to copy and paste, click and drag over a section of text right click highlighted section, hit "copy" right click where you want to place the text. Hit "paste." It was years before I figured that out.
I've told you how. You THINK Republicans, half of them, support abortion rights? And that half of democrats are pro-life? Prove it. Give us links, show us arguments, site your sources. Prove it. Put up or shut up. Simple.
Don, prove I'm wrong.& ONE dummy said "90%", kind of like you saying something like "He messed with me, I'll kill him", everybody knows you don't really mean it literally. And I'm voting for none of my tax dollars going to Planned parenthood. I don't really care if you don't like it. You vote how you feel & I'll vote how I feel and I will accept the outcome, you need to do the same & not run away to another state because you don't like how it ends up.
Jason, It's not that I can't, It's that I didn't. you are making silly claims and then asking ME to go around the internet to get you answers?
No, Joe, just showing you have no clue about this issue. & yes Joe it is that you cannot find them. & why do teabagger defend lying on the senate floor, yet despise lying on the senate floor? OH YEAH b/c they are teabbager speakers.
http://irregulartimes.com/index.php/archives/2011/04/15/seven-house-republicans-voted-against-cuts-to-planned-parenthood-list-here/
hahahaha, classic , yeah ok you got me 7(seven) not quite half there john kyl. BUT soooo much more than that is these 7 are marked for removal from office by the crazies
“Without question, there will be consequences,” Marjorie Dannenfelser, president of the anti-abortion Susan B. Anthony List, told Roll Call when asked about the seven Republicans. “It’s not just our group, but others are very focused on those folks, and our allies have proven a willingness to get involved in primaries when it matters.” now joe go say what you will , these 7 are marked for life & they will be made examples of. I guess you will deny that also. ----------- another classic teabgger speak " i said half, i meant 7 out of 241" . DUDE you guys KILL abortion doctors not defend them
Jason, maybe you need to pay more attention. I'm not talking about crooked politicians who will say whatever they have to say for whatever group is listening today. I am saying at least half of Republican voters vote pro-choice. and DUDE, you guys suck off each other the way most people pat each other on the back. You have lost the argument so now you have to claim I kill people...@!$%# you. it's no wonder the Democrats got their asses handed to them. I'm voting Republican next election (for the first time in my life) just because of your nice comment about me killing people. I know, you can't have a civil discussion, you don't know how and it's not even expected now from ANY liberal Democrat. See you when the results are in.
The Democrats got beat so bad, not even the Republicans could believe it.
Unafilliated Joe "I am saying at least half of Republican voters vote pro-choice" -------- ty for admitting that repubs vote against the constituant. DUDE vote who you want to I am not the one trying to stop folks from voting. WHY OH WHY do I get cought up in trying to make sense to a teabagger. 7 out of 241 is not half, ONLY in teabagger land it is.
Some scary math simple joe. 7=1/2(241). Wow. And yet
Chronic auto-FAIL. I don't have to say anything at all. I've never known anyone with such a talent for being WRONG.
Jason, trying to stop people from voting? do you mean not letting crooked democrats sign up homeless people who are never going to vote so they can have someone else go vote in their place? http://youtu.be/Bg98BvqUvCc or, even better http://youtu.be/ZkjcZhSyFwc there is a reason some people do not seek out their right to vote until they are ready.. you claiming an honest win with Obama is treason.
Dopey Don, I had no idea you were talking about congress or the house members voting. Maybe that's why you sounded so stupid, I was wondering how you knew how all the Republicans in America feel and vote.
coo coo for coco puffs
Don...Jason...You guys fought the good fight. I give you kudos. Really. Your arguements were rational, reasonable and could be backed up with facts.
But you need to accept the facts now. That quoting Shakespeare to a dense, unrefined, clay brick is not going to make that brick less dense or smoother.
But there will be other bricks, have no fear about that. So...until next time...brush up on "Othello"
Well said, Cyncerity. Thanks
Cyncerity ,Feel free to jump right in on with whatever facts you think they are bringing. Do you feel important agreeing with puppets? Why don't you give us the facts about the whole "trying to make it harder to vote" & then we all can comment...whoops, already off guard! show me the facts . I knew I'd bump into a blockhead or two here but 3?...who would have thought? And just for giggles, what other Facts were presented?
Jason, you said all republicans are pro-life and I showed you you were wrong (and those are just one page of a web search). now those don't count because they ARE 'marked for life" or some silliness. Keep trying.
Joe, you must be one heck of a salesman. The idea that any republican is pro choice is pure & plain salesmanship. & as shown any time one steps out of line on they have the wrath of crazy groups all over them, but hey dude i could not care less about your insane idea of how republicans are pro choice. WTF dude there are MORE GAY republican groups than there are pro choice republican groups. BUT if you really really want to find out, go to a republican gathering & ask the group how many are pro choice, & please do get back to me about the results
Jason, You have been watching too much MSNBC. They tell you everything you say. It's too bad you don't do your own brain work. (I'm a "Teabagger, I kill abortion doctors, etc.) I know, it's what they tell you to say when you don't have an argument and want other stupid people to jump to your aid in the conversation. It's the usual tactic & people see right thru it (except for the "useful idiots" of the country). Don't tell me you are now going to jump to the "All Republicans hate gay people" now! It's like saying "All women are whores" or "All men cheat on their wives". Rachel and Ed would like you to spread that for their advertisers, It makes good tv but divides the country. And once again, YOU go to the group and ask, I already have an accurate knowledge of what most people feel about issues. (I don't believe everything Ed tries to pump into his viewers heads) You generalize far too much and it just perpetuates the stereotyping that goes on. And I don't let the "wrath of crazy groups" (unions in Wisconsin, ILLEGAL immigrants in Arizona, etc.) drive my vote or my opinion. You think because the unions bussed in thousands of UNION WORKERS to the state house, that it how the majority of people in Wisconsin feel? There are a few flaws in your train of thought. Have you ever heard of the "Silent Majority"? And of course you "could care less" about how I see things, it is different from what you are told to believe so I MUST be wrong.....
Wow. So many claims, not a scrap of evidence. Anywhere. Nothing cited. No links.
That Republicans hate gays is almost a given. Gay Republicans are such a small and distinct minority that they have their own name...Log Cabin Republicans. If you want us to take what you say seriously, then name which Republican legislators, house or senate, who consistantly speak out of the GLBT rights. And no, parents of gay or lesbian children...Dick Cheney and John McCain...don't count. Further, tell us how many Democrats routinely vote against GLBT rights and interests.
And for your information...7 out of 241 (the number of Republicans who voted NOT to defund Planned Parenthood) is not "half." Not even a plurality. In fact it is problably closer to the number of Republicans who have webbed toes than representive of a voice within the party.
Honestly, it doesn't look like there is much or anything that drives your opinion. Not facts, not logic, not reality. Just a little fly rattling around in your skull and whatever words it lands on, you believe.
The very best part, really.
SARAH PALIN WILL BE AT MADISON WI TEA PARTY SATURDAY 04/16/11
Wow. With all that Tea Party bussing going on, how could they have been shouted down?
As for the Silent Majority...that was invoked by Nixon as the people who approved of his corrupt administration and who weren't protesting the war in Viet-Nam. Which is a really curious reference for you since you've made it clear that you don't believe in history. Jim Crow and the campaigns of terror against black folks in the South by the KKK with lynching were all also approved of by Silent Majorities. It was a conspiracy of Silence for about 60 years that covered up the worst single act of racial violence in American history by generations of Silent Majorities in my hometown of Tulsa (Greenwood Race Riot.)
The majority in WI doesn't seem particularly silent. Especially not considering that Walker had threatened to call in the National Guard from the beginnning.
repeat, repeat, repeat. there you go with the pasting useless crap again. I don't care who used the term, the majority of people stay silent until they VOTE. That is why the unions are crapping in their britches & raising as much racket as they can. Needing to call in the national guard only means the unions were causing enough trouble (thug mentality) to need to protect the property that belongs to the people. You claiming anything else is stupid (unless you can get the rest of the dopes you lead to believe it). Did you go online and get the union busing info for Wisconsin? See you on the day after elections in 2012, I'l be interested in hearing how you spin that!
You'll be too busy throwing yourself out of the window of a very t a l l building.
Everyone remembers how silent the tea party was. Now the can only dig up a few hundred where once there were thousands, and yet the republicans remain in mortal terror of them. Quite comic really.
Don, you keep spinning Rachel's story. It will not matter. There was no need for the Tea Party to be out. When it matters, they'll be there. As far as "everyone remembers" yea, they all remember how the Tea Party caused the largest number of Senate gains for the Republicans since the 1994 election and also the first time since that election that they successfully defended all of their own seats. THAT is what will be remembered, not that it did not matter that unions got more people out to make noise at a rally. But good job to them for making noise and calling a 13 yr. old girl speaking a "F@#$&*! B&$ch", I'll bet you are real proud...just sayin'
" some men you just can't reach "
Too true.
"Some men can not be hoodwinked like a little puppet". Nothing on the substance of the post though. Your next post will be on how the Tea Party wants to kill kittens and give Grandma the left over cat food.
Don, no copy and paste?
It is actually the other way around, getting rid of Medicare will indeed kill grandmothers. just sayin'
Jason, There you go again with the "Getting rid of medicare" again. You are not that stupid so it has to be that you are deliberately lying so as to convince people the "other guys" are going to make any help to Seniors go away. You are not going to find that many stupid people to believe you so give it a rest. And again, nothing on the post? It seems to work out nice for you when you jump all over a post I have made but I notice you are just here to make stupid comments and not have any conversation about the true issues. Does it make you feel like you are getting anything done? Well, maybe you are that stupid, I can only go by how you make your postings. It's a real shame that with all the free help thrown around this country, there are still people like that refuse to take it.
" It's a real shame that with all the free help thrown around this country, there are still people like that refuse to take it." =========== EXACTLY I hope you get help soon. just sayin'
What the hell are you talking about simple joe? If you are talking about Ryan's plan, even Michele Bachmann is backing away from it like the steaming pile of crap that it is.
@Joe:
With all of your name-calling, insulting langauage and...I can actually hear you yelling your posts...and total lack of anything substantive being written, i.e. you've done little to back up any of your rantings with articles or links to help show your position, you have truly behaved in a manner fitting a right wing conservative (gasp...dare I say Teabagger?). You think that by yelling loud enough and calling people names will help you get your point across.
Obviously, you do not agree with the people and opinions on this post, and it would appear that you do not agree with TRMS.....so....why are you here?
Seriously....why are you here? Why do you watch the show? Are you just out looking for arguements? There are much better ways to debate rather than just yelling and name-calling. I have been watching you brow-beat and insult Don and Jason through-out this entire post...and they have shown you much more respect than you have shown them. Certainly more than I would have shown you. I would have told you to get boffed a while ago.
So please...do us all a favor and toddle off to a Palin or Bachman blog where you can thump your chest, pat yourself on the back and degrade Obama and all us lefties to your hearts content and where no one will bother you with things like facts and links to said facts. Your rhetoric has become tiresome and frankly, it makes me sleepy.
Jason, You still show NOTHING about the content of my post "Getting RID of Medicare". You have nothing so you attempt to group me with people you & Don say are crazy (typical crap one spews when they have lost the debate), insult me and when that fails, you look for Don to agree with you (another typical tactic). When are you going to say what exactly in the Ryan plan will kill grandma? Did you think because you were in these discussion boards that you could spout off at the mouth without being held to the issues?
Don, Now you are going to use Michele Bachmann as a credible opinion? You can't have it both ways, she's either an idiot or not.
Cyncerity, If someone says grandma will be killed with the Ryan plan, it is not up to me to show the links where it is not true. You only know what you choose to see. I came here to talk, debate & learn. My first post which was very respectable was instantly jumped on By Don with a snide remark because he felt he needed to bust down anyone that attempted to show a view other than his own. He has done it on almost every post I have made as if he's following me around. Then Jason jumps in and pats him on the back at my expense, I guess feeling the need to be accepted by others with his view. As for the shouting, I don't need to shout. Why don't you go back and see how both Don & Jason have replied to anything I have posted (like two little boys on the school bus) They have NEVER shown me any respect contrary to what you have posted above. Now I'll ask YOU to show me specifically what "rant" I am making that you are talking about...Or, are you part of the group at the back of the bus that says things only because your buddies are watching? Anyone that will not give you lip service here must be a "right-winger" or a "Commie Tea Bagger", can't someone just be a little more to the middle than you?** I just read my posts up high on this discussion threat and did not find any yelling on my part or even anything that was out of line, Maybe YOU need to revisit them and see what you are talking about. I made valid points, I asked for specific details that even you didn't respond with, You just pulled a "Don & Jason" and went right to a snide comment over me. I even went as far as to point out that the both of them "Generalize" about others too much hoping to get some details. Again they went right to the you're a "Tea Bagger" "Dudes like me kill abortion doctors" etc. If all this makes you sleepy, go to sleep or spout a backbone and reply with these facts that you erroneously claim Don & Jason are using.Because of their mentality, I would rather Don & Jason not comment on my posts. It is clear they are here only to squash any discussion that shows a viewpoint other than theirs. I know it won't happen so I will continue to respond in a manner that I am confronted with. Loud, nonsensical, confrontational comments are often used to make people uncomfortable enough to silence them, It won't work with me. Would you like to be grouped as a "Don", a "Jason" or another human with feelings and a valid opinion? Or do you want to take a nap?
Try this:
If a stupid tool of the tea parties like Michele Bachmann isn't able to sell that steaming pile of crap that is the Ryan Plan as caviar then it must REALLY stink. But you with your finely honed sense of smell, you got your bowl out saying "may I have some more please?"
Commie tea bagger? What? Really?! Commie? Do you have even a single clue what you are talking about? Who you are talking to? I'm not going to even BOTHER telling you what is wrong with that sentence.
Your opinion is your opinion I don't expect to change that. But do not come in here spewing non-sequitors [7=1/2(241)] and facts from your alternate reality ("history doesn't matter") without citing evidence and expect NOT to be challenged. We don't take your word for a goddamn thing. Don't let your little feelings get so hurt over that fact. I don't expect anyone to take MY word on anything, that is why I back up what I say with quotes and cite the sources. There have been times when I'VE been corrected by people who were able to produce evidence to the contrary. Do I throw a hissy fit and whine about why everyone is picking on me? No, I thank them.
What makes you different special joe, is that you have the most talent for being adamantly wrong about so many things. It is really quite breath taking.
Don, Right" commie Tea Bagger" a reference to the MAKING UP of terms, titles and labels here. I know "commie" is opposite of what the TEA Party stands for, that was my POINT. If you don't like what someone says, you jump right to the labels. You are the king of spin, it works for you. I said history doesn't matter to me when YOU spout off about it. Look how big the above post is! Copy & pasting a whole lot of words and old posts wastes space, It does not make it look like you know anything. You are an idiot and now expect you to be what you are. a"picking on me", really? "Hissy fit", is that what you are calling it when you are made to look stupid? really? Keep claiming I said half of the Republican reps, when you know I meant half the Republican voters. The only ones that are going to pat you on the back is yourself and the few in your group that also can't debate their way out of a paper bag. When are YOU going to name one thing in that bill you don't think is good for the country? (& let's not play this idiotic "Cat food for GRANDMA" thing, OK?) And finally, what SPECIFICALLY am I "adamantly wrong about"? As far as you wasting space by posting crap then claiming you are "Backing it up"..get real, any dope can go online and find another dope saying something that fits their argument or some group heckling a person about something, that is not backing anything up. It is finding someone heckling someone else. that is partially why I disregard your pastings. YOU jumped on me with disrespect first, I now see you as a dope. whine to someone else, I'm sure you can find someone that listen.
Can anyone find anything here that was not either an ad hominem attack or factually challenged?
Not me, lost soul joe here just simply cannot handle the truth. How joe here must be in complete sufferage over Obama doing a great thing, it really does bother them to no end. ------------------joe said "Keep claiming I said half of the Republican reps, when you know I meant half the Republican voters" -------- poor joe just cannot handle the fact that we knew exactly what he meant with his slicing of "voters" & actual "pols" & yet doesn't seem to want to hear that he is insane for thinking half of republican VOTERS are pro choice. I for one am encouraged to hear that ONE exist in joe.
Jason, The Navy SEALs did the job using Bush era interrogation techniques. ANY president would have done the same thing. Obama knows he is going to lose the next election and asked that the effort be ramped up to get Bin laden to up his own political worth. If he could get him, he should have done it sooner. And STILL NOTHING on the content of my post. It speaks volumes.
Don, It actually looks like you are fishing for someone to cuckold you, pretty sad.
Don, "in some instances, questions of personal conduct, character, motives, etc., are legitimate and relevant to the issue" (ad hominem) end of story.
Nice. Now try defending your arguments.
No defense is needed.
Because your arguments are indefensible.
Don, Why is it that you never post following someone who gives you facts that you can't refute but you jump right in when someone posts on another person's comment?
What? Examples please? What "facts?"
and the slogan for this would be...... Step Backwards.
What, did they have a contest to see who the dumbest MF is Louisiana was and LaBruzzo won?
Louisiana Law is not that much different from Mexico, Spain, France and Italy.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louisiana_law
I live here and not in Mexico, Spain, France or Italy and woman have rights in this country.
Another article from the Shreveport Examiner today provides a little more insight into the "respect" Rep. LaBruzzo has for women:
Ah, well, that certainly explains a lot. Republican politicians operate at the cognitive level of four-year-olds. Good to know. I suppose now that's why the GOP-led House takes every third week off. The little dears need plenty of nap time, or they get cranky. OK, OK...more cranky than usual.
Rachel, Why did you open the show stating that women would face up to 15 years in prison but fail to say that the article at the top of this blog clearly says that part was a "mis-draft" and would not be in the final item? Also, I know this is a different topic (same show) but you are telling the viewers that the effort to recall the Republicans is a "grass-roots" and "unorganized" effort, Do you think your viewers are stupid? It is clearly an union effort. "skilled demagogues often need to use only special emphasis by which an uncritical listener will be led to draw the desired conclusion themselves." I watch the show all the time and see you doing it more and more. Just so you don't attack me for it, I'm all for women to do whatever they see fit with their own body and always vote that way.
er, wait. a final bill was proposed, and some joe shmoe said 'I dinna mean it!" - kinda... not... enforceable? Kinda not.. law? the actual verbage that gets voted on is the final law. No matter how much Reagan said "read my lips, no new taxes", and then raised new taxes. The actual letter of the bill matters more than the commentary.
"So, you like the blue car? that's great, i can get you into wonderful pricing here, let me go talk to my manager..."
Kira_d, At the top of this page, the article says it was not supposed to be in the bill and will be taken out of the final bill. Did you read the final bill?
That was Bush the Elder who said that. Just sayin'.
It was not a "mis-draft" if you actually look at the bill changes he made it was clear that he specifically intended the change to allow women to be prosecuted. There is a link above directly to the marked up bill.
LaBruzzo also explains in the Times-Picayune article that the reason he says he will change it is because he cannot get enough votes to pass it with this language. Therefore not a mistake but a realization that he cannot get the bill passed if he wants to have women incarcerated for getting an abortion. Rachel is demonstrating how extreme these anti-abortion bills have gone - that there is now a movement to use feticide laws to incarcerate women.
You should read this article about that effort and how women are actually going to jail:
http://www.thenation.com/article/160092/policing-pregnancy?rel=emailNation
we are not going to let any crap like that thru anyway so why are we even talking about it? Same thing with the 'Ryan" plan, it's not going anywhere and freakin' tv shows are being made over it.
Dear Louisiana,
Upon further consideration, we have reached a new conclusion on the whole "the Union must be preserved at all costs" theory. You, Mississippi, Georgia, Texas, and Alabama can go. Please consider taking Oklahoma, Utah, and Kansas with you. Possibly Florida as well.
That is all.
Cora H.
LOL, what about TN, AR, NE, SC, & if Utah why not ID and AZ also? TYVM Cora H. for the nice laugh.
I saved AR because they produced Bill Clinton, which means that they have hope. Nevada can stay, I'm not giving up Vegas. I get the others, but why Idaho?
As for TN, SC, and AZ...Ahem:
Tennessee, South Carolina, and Arizona: consider yourselves added to the memo above. Arizona, we'll be moving that fence you've been b*tching about wanting for the past several years. Construction on it will continue, only on your northern border.
Best of luck, we'll send cards at Christmas.
Cora H.
CoraH. you asked why Idaho. I know ID quite well, there are some laws there that would make the south blush. Check it out it will not take long to find out. NE is Nebraska & while I do not know that much about there, they do have Ben Nelson & that says enough for me.
Let's not forget Half of Mo. Only half though. Yep it's true MO is totally split down the middle, leaning RED. Just like in the Civil War, same but different.
Love it, Cora, behind ya 100%..........
Cora H,
Beg your pardon..but I live in AZ...and not all of us feel the way that McCain and Brewer do. I understand your sense of superiority but please do not paint all of us with the same brush. Just like some of these other states...the Repugnants have fooled people here, too. I'd tell you about the crap they are pulling here with respect to 1070, Sheriff Joe and unions...but I don't want to get off topic.
Cyncerity, I cannot speak for the rest on this post, but indeed was making fun of things & those states. I am sorry that offended you, it was not my intension.
Cyn,
You need to go look up one of Rachel's cocktail recipes and try it out, because my god you are strung waaaay to tight. My comment was a joke. Either laugh or ignore it, but don't be a buzz kill and make people feel like they have to apologize for something that was meant in fun.
Josie, I live in MO, so I can testify to the fact that what you say is TRUTH! (Can I get an amen?!)
AMEN!!!!
Wow....my bad. You are absolutely right. I think I'll go have one of those cocktails now...
Cora H,
Cyncerity, for my part I often site Arizona as a huge part of what is wrong with our nation (Death Panels, Az1070, lax gun regs, Brewer's fostering of the private prison industry.) But my view is really much more in line as if Arizona was Poland during WW2. The citizens of Arizona are subject to corrupt and tyrannical leadership. Liberals in Arizona are like Christians in the Soviet Union. Behind enemy lines. I almost think we ought to be sending CARE packages there filled with copies of Mother Jones and the Nation. If there was a solid liberal town there we'd be doing our version of the Berlin Airlift. I wish I was kidding.
@ Don...I wish you were kdding too. You're right....these are enemy lines, and the leadership here is VERY one-sided....but....things may be slowly changing. Not too quickly...and not too drastically...but the Republicans are making mistakes here, too. And it's pissing people off. They are currently going after education, medical care, unions, trying to privatize the 2 largest cities, and some of the most asinine gun laws most people here have ever heard of. These are NOT things that the people really want...so it's getting attention. So I keep holding out hope that enough people will be upset enough to do something about it come election time. On a side note..there is a recall effort for Brewer...so I'll see how that goes.
Yeeeeeeee!!!! Now THAT is exciting! TRMS PLEASE cover this! Cyn, please keep us up-dated on further developments in open-mic! Oh Happy Day!
LOL...ummmm....which part are you excited about? The recall? I would be too....except unfortunately, it's not getting much coverage. I only just read about it today. Luckily, I happen to live in Phoenix so I can actually get to a place where I can sign the petition. ;)
Sadly I see where the recalls will take us. While at first it will be great & the bad apples will be removed, BUT as we know the big corporations will take their turn & most of us will not like those results. This will be an interesting recall if the AZ gov gets on a recall ballot. I agree that TRMS should indeed keep us informed.
Every state has its share of crazy...my state senators just decided that my vote against puppy mills didn't count for sh*t. Always nice to know that the will of the people is being respected in the good ol' Show Me state.
Best of luck with the recall efforts in AZ, Cyn, I think with proper strategizing you could probably get Brewer recalled.
CoraH. are you talking about the "will of the people" like with Obamacare being passed in the middle of the night with backroom deals and secret meetings even though the majority of Americans said no?
My objection is that Obama dismissed single payer and public option. Had he not done that it would garnered far more support. It was not nearly liberal enough.
Unafilliated Joe
are you talking about the "will of the people" like with Obamacare being passed in the middle of the night with backroom deals and secret meetings even though the majority of Americans said no?----------------- This is pure & simple propaganda, joe the will of the people is to take care of each other. & you loons never seem to at least admit that medicare D was a 3 hour vote that STARTED at 3 am. Medicare D was not paid for & supplied a vein of money into big pharma. & notice how your guy paul ryan boasts on medicare D as a private plan, IF he was not trying to privatize medicare as a whole he would not tout that as a bragging point. All Medicare D did was make big pharma bigger & the poor poorer, WTF is a "donut hole", it is simply mind washing spin. What is so disgusting is tools like you whine about middle of the night & against the will of the people WHILE never saying that republicans would ever do such a thing even though it was only 8 years ago. silly teabaggers.
Don Quixokie
My objection is that Obama dismissed single payer and public option. Had he not done that it would garnered far more support. It was not nearly liberal enough. ------------- Very well said, I agree 100%
The US government has always loved waging moral wars against its own country. Remember the Prohibition?
And the War on Drugs. War on Welfare Queens. War on Labor Unions. War on Public Unions. War on Illegal Immigrants. Yep.
Ok, this is absurd. Isn't it a right for any woman to make that decision?
Roe V Wade guaranteed it.
Let me spell it out more plainly.
Do you have a right to privacy? Would you want to defend it?
Do you have a right to due process? Would you want to defend it?
Does a woman have a right to life? Would you want to defend it?
The rest is engineered to make women think twice about their own bodies, their own privacy, their own freedoms, and their relationship with their doctors.
Roe V. Wade was a hallmark decision, in the same way that allowing women and blacks to vote were hallmark decisions.
So, those rights should be pried from our cold, dead fingers. They are rights. And they belong to all of us. Even if we don't need to exercise them, and even if we disagree with them. They are... rights.
Once rights are granted, we should think quadruply hard about taking them away. Regardless of whether we personally disagree.
Sounds like Roman Catholic Canon Law to me. Isn't excommunication from the church already the recommended and standard remedy?
In other words, aren't anti-abortionists relying upon religion to support their views? America is not Roman, and it does not answer to the Catholic church. It respects that people choose to be Catholic, and has given them a choice to not have abortions, just as it respects its other citizens' religious and abortion choices. Abortion is legal, and is a choice in America. If you don't agree with abortion, then do not get an abortion, but don't act like you're in a position to decide for others. It's a free country.
Eileen, I am bowing to you statement. the choice will never be taken away so we are all wasting time talking about it. If someone tries, we vote, end of story.