Jessica Arp of Wisconsin's Wisc TV posts this video from the preview of the state's new "Bring It to the Ballot" ad campaign. The idea is to explain how to vote in the state now that Republicans have made voting harder. The audio -- it's a radio spot -- is cut off at the very beginning, but I think it's a woman chiding a man about not being able to find his important papers.
MAN: I, uh, put them somewhere?
WOMAN: Well, start looking. Because now you need a photo ID to vote. You probably already have one, but if you don't, documents like a utility bill, a certified birth certificate and Social Security card could get you a free Wisconsin state I.D. from the Division of Motor Vehicles.
MAN: It's free? Free works.
Tell it to 84-year-old Ruthelle Frank, who knows where her important papers are but who hasn't got a birth certificate and who may have to spend $200 or more getting one with her name spelled right.
BTW, Wisconsin's Republican majority approved a budget of $436,000 for the ad campaign. By contrast, the campaign to save Governor Scott Walker from a recall has spent about $3 million so far.
Earlier: Your ideas for the Wisconsin PSAs.
Leave a Comment:
Just like a rethugnikan, spent a scant amount to inform the public about their rights, spend like a drunken sailor in an attempt to keep & hold onto POWER - GO BADGERS VOTE THAT CLOWN OUT!!!
Remarkable.
The last state existing state/territory required 100% birth certification in 1950, so everyone under 61 has a birth certificate (more Democrat).
Oklahoma and Illinois rarely issued birth certificates before 1940, so lots of people over 70 years old will not have the papers necessary to vote (more Republican).
So ... republicans are eliminating more of their own voters ... because Republican party membership grows with age?
What?
Am I the only one, or does anyone else think this whole voter-fraud thing make republicans look stupid?
YOU are not alone.....
I still find it fing hilarious that these people are now having to waste half a million dollars on advertising. But does anyone else besides me get a little annoyed? The presumption behind advertising is that poor people, elderly people, and/or students will have access to television. Umm....if you're unable to get an ID then my assumption is that you probably don't have a TV. Seriously do people ever think about the consequences of their bills before passing them?!
Why THINK when you live in your own delusional world?????
My understanding is that everyone in Wisconsin will have to show a birth certificate eventually if they want to keep on voting. My driver's license is good for another few years, but then it will have to conform to the 2005 Real ID Act (show a birth certificate proving US birth or naturalization) or my photo ID won't suffice for me to vote.
In Minnesota we don't have to show a photo ID, though the GOP is trying to get that through, but we do have to have some kind of proof of residence. A bill of some kind works or a drivers license. But if you're already preregistered you don't. Also, an already registered voter can vouch for you.
Same day registration plus someone to vouch plus proof of residence isn't too onerous.
Is that a proof of residence simply to vote? You see, I've been registered in the same precinct for forty years. I wouldn't even mind having to show some form of ID just to prove I'm the registered voter they're ticking off the list. It's the fact that only a specific form of ID will be allowed that bother's me. Some Photo IDs won't be good enough -- for instance an expired driver's license or an expired State Photo ID.
Some things that need to be clarified:
Same day registration is being restricted in WI and other states and this bill, the Voter I.D. bill, is being proposed as an amendment to the already existing voter registration system. They argue that it will reduce fraud and this is why they need to do it. Which means there are 3 questions that must be proven as true before one can assert such a law is necessary
1) Voter fraud exists
2) Voter registration laws, in their current form, are not adequate at addressing the problem of number 1
3) Voter I.D. laws, as they are proposed, will address the issues of number 2 and number 1
While I have seen many instances of number 1 I have as of yet to be presented w/ evidence of case 2 and case 3. It is from this lack of evidence that liberals/Democrats are protesting. If conservatives/Republicans/anyone else want to make the case for such laws all they must do is simply answer all 3 contentions.
Has anyone seen the Politico story of the Boeing machinist union vote where a photo ID was required? Hmmm. Why do you think they required a photo ID? Has there been evidence of wide spread union voter fraud?
Granted, I guess there is no constitutional right to union voting but the idea that unions recognize a photo ID makes the system fair and accountable counts for something, don't you think?
http://electionlawcenter.com/2011/12/10/union-elections-require-a-photo-id-to-vote.aspx?mid=54
Here is the link. Union election require a photo ID. The poor already have a photo ID if they collect welfare.
The poor and the elderly who don't collect welfare and who don't drink, smoke or drive don't have approved photo IDs.
Presumably, those unions issue a photo ID to their members?
The State of Wisconsin simply could have issued photo IDs to currently registered voters or do it upon registration. But that wouldn't suppress turnout now would it?
The State of Wisconsin simply could have issued photo IDs to currently registered voters or do it upon registration. But that wouldn't suppress turnout now would it?
No, they would not "simply" issue a photo ID to current registered voters because the state can't just assume you are who you say you are and issue an official ID. Granted, you could make the argument they could make it more simple, but they can't just "simply" issue an ID because it is an official document and needs to be ensured as much as possible to be correct.
So, Randy, you agree that the unions use photo ID because it ensures the integrity of the vote? The union sign that Politico post does not say "union ID required" but "picture ID required," just to note.
@Contessa: Ugh...welfare covers many things. I am on welfare because I use student loans atm to pay for school. I have never once been asked to provide an ID to receive my student loans. Beyond this, as I have pointed out before, your assumption here is that all poor people or disadvantaged people are on welfare, which is not even remotely true. This law would not affect me or any other student in the state.
Hello contessa61,
The majority of people that will be unable to vote are over 60.
That demographic is dominated by Republicans.
The majority of people that will be able to vote are younger than that.
That demographic is dominated by Democrats.
This is because federal mandate to require birth certificates did not occur until 1950.
Most US citizens over about 80 will never get a birth certificate.
That means that the majority of people that will be disenfranchised by the new voter suppression laws are going to be Republican.
You are in favor of that. Reducing the number of Republican voters.
Right?
75% of amereicans agree with some form of voter ID. Once again, you guys are in the minority.
Amereicans sound like a bunch of fascist jackals who would make the world a better place if they were dragged around back and put down hard.
I, on the other hand, am an American. I am a member of We the People and WE the PEOPLE believe that millionaires need to pay their fair share by a margin of about 75%. Similarly for extension of the payroll tax cut, the protection of Medicare and social security.
But despite that fact you and all the other fascist amereicans believe that Papers Please shouldn't just be for undocumented immigrants but for EVERYONE who wants to participate in this representative democratic process. Fascists.
http://www.rense.com/general37/char.htm
And it looks like the Wisconsinites are showing Scott Walker the door in no uncertain fashion. I would say the majority of them don't want anything interfering with their voting at all.
Too late -- Voter ID will affect who's allowed to vote in a recall. No problem. We'll just get those IDs for the poor folks and the Grannies.
Walker is gaming the system because he can't win by playing fair.
Contessa is engaging in an appeal to the population argument:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argumentum_ad_populum
The argument goes that because the majority agree it therefore means the bill is correct. So, by Contessa's logic, it's OK to stone people who have ADD/ADHD to death because they are possessed by demons.
Ah mouzer, the ad populum cuts all sorts of ways. :) Not just against those programs and laws we don't like but also against those we do. (This is intended to be a gentle and friendly "poke in the logic ribs")
I'm actually kinda torn on this whole ID to vote thing. It makes sense to make sure the people voting should be voting, that means somehow verifying they are who they say they are and that they are citizens. I'm not sure how you do that without some form of ID.
The alternative is to not check IDs and open the system to potential fraud, I suppose. At least, that's what the pro-ID folks argue. Though I'm not so sure that the amount of fraud would be significant or influence election outcomes.
Once again, I find myself trying to find the right balance between legal restrictions and freedom. It does seem to be coming up more and more these days. So I'm torn, where is the right balance point between ensure maximum access to voting and safeguarding the process?
So, could someone explain how you collect social security if you can't provide your actual birth certificate or proof of citizenship or legal residency
Hello Tom-3671033,
You collect Social Security if you obtained an SSN and paid into it.
Methods of identification that can be used by Social Security Administration include people willing to identify you.
Photographic government identification cannot be required by DMV or Social Security Administration for obvious reasons.
Hello contessa61,
Not every citizen has photo ID or birth certificate. Younger people tend to have these (or will). Older people tend to not be able to obtain these things, mostly because laws change.
The majority of people that lack the items required to satisfy the new voter suppression laws are older people that tend to be Republican.
The majority of people that will have the items required to satisfy the new voter suppression laws are younger people that tend to be Democrat.
The only people convicted of voter fraud are Republican.
No democrat or immigrant convicted so far.
Purely a Republican phenomenon.
Would be nice if you could provide a link or reference to contradict this.
Hope this finds everyone well.
Of course Contessa can't back up what he says. There are no links or references up his rectum where he gets his facts. He just pulls them out and posts them.
lets sing it!!
Na NA Na NA Hey Hey Good Bye!!!
9:59 AM PT: Over 507,000 signatures have been gathered for the recall effort in the first month. The amount required is 504,208. The goal of the campaign is 720,000, and the deadline for submitting signatures is Jan. 13.
I've already signed, so I can't sign again. Let's keep it up, fellow Badgers!
Good Job Randy
and know Wisconsin has We the People behind you all as well.
Well, with people admittedly signing them 80 plus times and with the board allowing any name with a valid Wisconsin address even if the name is Mickey Mouse to count, the signature goal will be met in no time. Good work, everybody!
LOL yes at you.
thanks really needed the deep belly laugh. this morning.
Reports of Mickey Mouse and Adolf Hitler are exaggerated: http://www.wisn.com/politics/29998848/detail.html
It is simply not in the interest of Recall volunteers to let specious signatures through. Try again.
Randy, you did not read my comment. The agency representative that oversees the process did state they would NOT strike even very obvious fake names as long as there was a valid Wisconsin address. I did not make that up.
And you conveniently ignored the other part of my post where a gentleman says he's signed over 80 petitions. He claims anything to get Gov. Walker out of office is okay.
Nice attempt to minimize.
Oh, I just got what you were saying! They want use obvious specious names but do what they did in Indiana:
They will just forge actual voter signatures. Genius!
I most certainly did read your comment. Who was this person who claimed to have signed 80 times? Name, address, a link -- anything? He's as credible as the people who claimed to have collected recall signatures and torn them up.
RobDon, you are a troll.
Randy, I am not a troll. It is called rational independent thought based in facts. I have no problem with providing sources. I like to have my thoughts challenged. That is why, although very conservative, I've chosen to watch TRMS and participate on this blog. It sometimes changes my mind or makes me modify my position.
If you, on the other hand, would only like to be confronted by people with whom you agree, patted on the back, and told "good job," then, please, by all means, ignore my posts.
Here is a partial transcript and a link to the information you requested:
wisn.com/politics/29958007/detail.html#ixzz1gepptPVQ