Some of my favorite moments of George W. Bush's presidency were "hot mic" moments, in part because they offered rare peeks behind the curtain. When Bush was accidentally overheard on live microphones, we learned that he didn't know what the Mexico City Policy was, even after he signed an executive order on it; he didn't understand 2006 developments in Lebanon, though he thought he did; and he talked to world leaders in a strikingly unsophisticated way behind closed doors.
But President Obama is not without hot-mic moments. One of the big political stories of the day is the interest in comments Obama made to Russian President Dmitri Medvedev on missile defense.
The revelations aren't exactly shocking here. Obama, in Seoul for a nuclear security summit, told the Russian leader, "On all these issues, but particularly missile defense, this can be solved, but it's important for him to give me space." In this context, "him" appears to refer to Vladimir Putin. When Medvedev noted that he appreciates the larger context, Obama added, "This is my last election. After my election I have more flexibility."
Medvedev responded, "I understand. I will transmit this information to Vladimir."
Mitt Romney is feigning outrage, and Senate Minority Whip Jon Kyl (R-Ariz.), who's often confused about U.S. policy in Russia but likes to pretend otherwise, is looking for the fainting couch, but Obama's comments aren't exactly scandalous.
The president believes the election season restricts his foreign policy options? Well, sure, but that isn't exactly breaking news. The administration, if given a second term, plans to have additional talks with Russia on missile defense, and would like Russia to be patient until after the election? Yep, we knew that, too.
Ultimately, Obama didn't say anything we didn't already know, or echo remarks he's already made publicly. He was a little more candid in his delivery with Medvedev in Seoul, but it's not unusual for U.S. presidents to seek some election-season "space" from negotiating partners, especially when it's an election year in both countries.
For those who are paranoid about Obama becoming some entirely new person in a second term -- paranoia that even some conservatives consider ridiculous -- then I suppose any new evidence will be seized on as important and shocking.
But for everyone else, today's revelations offer more heat than light.





Polish up your hammer and sickle, Comrade Vladimir. Once the atheist Muslim from Kenya is re-elected, then the merger of Russia and America into a new United Soviet Socialist Republics can commence!
Yes, it was the KGB who planted the Birth Certificate at the Hospital and Birth Announcements in the newspapers! Boris Badenov and Nathasha Fatale were Fearless Leader's Top Agents, and they took personal charge of 'The Top Secret Conspiracy'! It's all been a commie plot, leading up to the "New World Order"!
Somebody, call Glenn Beck, QUICK!
(ROFLMFAO)
How can you righties be so disrespectful and ignorant. And at the same time.
Being disrespectful and ignorant is a natural thing to righties like breeding.
An atheist AND a Muslim at the same time! Wow... he's THAT amazing. So, was also born in Indonesia and Kenya at the same time? I just want to make sure I get this crazy story right... Oh, I know. His Muslim half was born in a perti dish in Indonesia and genetically fused with the atheist, white-hating side in Kenya in a mysterious KGB laboratory and then shot down from Sputnik!
LOL.... the crazies will never stop!
@larry74: how can you miss the humour in TWO sequential posts?
Do you know the definitions of the words atheist and muslim? You can't be both! Look em up! Next time you want to use Tea Party trigger words of ignorance, at least take the time to learn what they mean before you try to string them together into a sentence... LMFAO!
Bless your heart. It is definitely true HATE MAKES YOU STUPID. A Muslim Atheist? Who wants to help me write an AFFIRMATIVE ACTION POLICY FOR RACISTS? We could call it the WAR ON IGNORANCE?
Guys, I think our 'littlest angel' was being snarky. The teabaggers do crack me up with that 'atheist Muslim.' stuff, though. He's also, apparently, a Fascist Communist and an unapologetic apologist. You can't make any sense of these people, so ridicule is all we have.
I'm guessing he was being funny. But the sad thing is, I've seen posts almost exactly like this, and dead serious. *rolls eyes* You know, the commie, socialistic, terrorist stealth Muslim whose hippie WHITE KANSAN momma snuck across the border of Kenya (because you know she fit right into a Kenyan village in the 60's), while in her third trimester because she wanted to give birth in an African village. *shakes head*
@HellsLittlestAngel
The United Soviet Socialist Republics is far too restrictive. The former United States and the former USSR will be absorbed into the Caliphate.
Sarcasm
sar·casm [sahr-kaz-uhm]
noun
1. harsh or bitter derision or irony.
2. a sharply ironical taunt; sneering or cutting remark: a review full of sarcasms.
Origin:
1570–80; < Late Latin sarcasmus < Greek sarkasmós, derivative of sarkázein to rend (flesh), sneer; see sarco-
HellsLittlestAngel: the intarwebs have been around awhile. Text alone doesn't carry emotion, unless you're a good-enough writer. Be better, or add a smiley, huh?
I beg to differ. Anyone who didn't recognize that as humor is either a right-winger or an idiot.
But I repeat myself. <rimshot!> smiley face! LOL! j/k hyuk-yuk-yuk. lollers, etc.
Ha-ha-ha-ha-ha
Don't you guys get tired of the same crap you spew! You are one of the A- clowns responsible for re electing that lying nincompoop!!!!Look at all the Bozos you have now! Where are all the honorable Republicans we used to have?All you have are right wing religious wing nuts!
I'm deeply and truly saddened by all of you that didn't get the joke lmao. I don't know what is more scary, you, or the republicans lol
So, at the dinner when Obama said that he was 'From the planet Krypton', and that his Father, Jor-El sent him to Earth, right before the planet exploded (btw, that's a reference to the 'Superman' storyline), he should have added "Just Kidding"?
Maybe some forms of humor go over some people's heads! *LOL*
Ultimately, Obama didn't say anything we didn't already know, or echo remarks he's already made publicly. He was a little more candid in his delivery with Medvedev in Seoul, but it's not unusual for U.S. presidents to seek some election-season "space" from negotiating partners, especially when it's an election year in both countries
but Obama's comments aren't exactly scandalous.
Yes, this is nothing new....it's politics. But to put it in the context that it's "no big deal? So basically in our country (and others from what I am reading) no really important issues can be tackled because of "upcoming elections". Wow...so the President - whomever that is - serves for 3 years for the real meaty issues and one year or ribbon cutting and "light duties". And this is considered OK. Amazing.
The office of Presdent is 4 years. To me that means 4 years of making decisions and "presiding" over the Congress on all matters big and small. For FOUR years, not 3 years and then put off things like international security and pipelines because the voting public may not like you as well....so let's make sure that stuff happens after the next election cycle. Nice.
zzzzzzzz.
But we know the righties can make a scandle out of anything. They just need to spin some more than others.
larry, I am by no means a righty. I am assuming you think it is OK to put off any important issues until after the "election season" (as quoted by Steven above). Please explain how upcoming elections determine policy making for a sitting President. Assuming you last response, I will not hold my breath since you think it is "spin".
Sorry to "keep" you up keepintime :). I will take your zzzzz as a support of doing nothing substatial until you a assured re-election.
"I am assuming you think it is OK to put off any important issues until after the "election season""
Hey skip, get real. No one is saying it is ok. It is a reality. And if you don't know that, then maybe you should educate yourself before commenting on the subject.
If this was not an election year the American Jobs Act (which included ideas Republicans supported in the past) would be law.
Repubs can't let Obama have a political victory in an election year, and the rapid economic growth would also be a victory for Obama, so they come up with ridiculous, hypocritical reasons not to support the bill.
That is reality.
He needs the support of Congress. That's what he was talking about when he used the word flexibility. I think the House will definitely turn blue - big time. I think the senate will become more blue - supermajority blue. People are tired of the GOP craziness.
Okay so you don't have cable and rarely watch TV or read a newspaper or non-celebrity magazine. The GOP did not want to raise the debt ceiling to pay for services and products the Congress already approved. The GOP house refused to bring the American Jobs Act to the floor. The GOP's ONLY goal is to make sure Prez O is a one-term president. Well now we know the president will be re-elected. Thank God
Charles and Real Deal, real deal I am more with you than you think. I guess I did not explain myself in enough detail. I should have added that Senators should do 6 years worth of work and Reps 2 years. I was stating the obvious - that because it is an election year. I was pointing out that Steven who wrote this post, is basically saying that is OK - SOP. And I just think that the elected officials should do their elected duties for the entire term. Now, if its the Republicans fault or the Presidents fault....I don't care. I just don't think it's right for any reason.
Oh and Real Deal I really don't see any need to ridicule me with nonsensical statments. I thought I was posting to other mature adults. You may not agree with me, but come on...
Yes, this is nothing new....it's politics. But to put it in the context that it's "no big deal? So basically in our country (and others from what I am reading) no really important issues can be tackled because of "upcoming elections". Wow...so the President - whomever that is - serves for 3 years for the real meaty issues and one year or ribbon cutting and "light duties". And this is considered OK. Amazing.
Well I think the point is that whether this is considered OK or not, it is the political reality. Governance is deeply influenced by the political process. It has been thus for at least as long as we have had democracy on Earth. Indeed, it is largely the point of democracy. You apparently would rather it work differently but what exactly do you propose to change to make that a reality?
Now, if its the Republicans fault or the Presidents fault....I don't care. I just don't think it's right for any reason.
Its neither. Its the result of democracy. Politicians who actually have any desire to achieve effective policy will also be responsive to the vagaries of the political process. What's the alternative?
Brent,
If I had the answer, I probably would have an important governmental position :). I'm just saying it sucks the way politics gets in the way of governing.
As Bruce Hornsby sings: "That's just the way it is...some things will never change..."
That doesn't mean I have to like it:). I guess our President and the Russian President should just go home for now...
I think what Skip is saying is that he- like so many of us (myself included)- are sick and tired of things like Republicans filibustering simply because they think it will gain them points for the next election or some other issue that any politician (left or right (please note the fact that I only used Republicans here as an example doesn't imply that Democrats are not guilty of this too)) grabs ahold of simply to get funding to take office.
We've all seen the scam e-mails. Donate now to my campaign to help me defeat the evils of....organized labor! the tea party! or this! or that! We've all seen the small "r" reactionary ways in which our politicians grandstand on a moment in order to gain the next office. I think the point Skip was getting at is that he wishes we were in a system where people spent their time and effort governing as opposed to campaigning. Or another way to put it could be that people govern as a means of campaigning.
Thanks again Mouzer! Lately you seem to be my guardian angel :).
Puh-lease! the president isn't going to be able to get anything done right now because the Republicans are going to go into hardcore obstructionist mode now. Don't let Obama accomplish anything. We don't want him to have a record to run on. He wants a some sort of compromise with Russia? No way! No socialism on our watch!
This is a non-issue.
That really worries me, Kevin. I didn't even imagine there was a more hardcore obstructionist mode than the one we've seen the last three years. Now I really DO need that nap.
The Leader of a Nation stating that he would be more able to freely negotiate, after the currently ongoing election process he is involved in is completed? Quoting Captain Renault, in 'Casablanca', "I'm Shocked, Shocked...!" *sarcasm*
DUH!
There's a qualitative difference between the Obama "hot mic" moments and those of George W. Bush.
Bush's consistently revealed him to be a shallow, uninformed and not-very-bright dolt who had no business standing on a world stage. During a Bush trip to Canada to meet with the Prime Minister in Ottawa, the PM's press secretary had to resign after coming out of a meeting that included the president and a hot mic caught her saying, "Bush is a complete idiot!" She was't fired for lying but because she was caught being indiscrete.
Obama's two most notable hot mic incidents - this one and the one where he was overheard complaining to Pres. Sarkozy about Israeli prime minister Netanyahu - revealed some interesting tittle-tattle but not much more.
Okay the Bush story had me rolling.
Thanks, I remember the Bush story - and I remember being ticked off that she lost her job for speaking power to the truth! GWB was an incompetent, little dolt and the current GOP primary and base are littered with the same ignorant, selfish, dolts prattling away about things they know not!
The president should just tell Kyl it wasn't meant to be a factual statement.
Ooohhh - Good One!
Wow nice spin MSNBC!!! The truth is we can't trust him because IF he does get re-elected he will not have to answer to the American people or voters! So his radical agenda can move forward! Why do you think that the Democrats want control of both the House and Senate again?? Sorry Obama your ass is toast come November! You aren't fooling anyone!
What radical agenda would that be? Lying us into 2 unfunded conflicts?
Your side has nothing but the same failed policies. Cut and gut, deregulate and cut taxes on the top 1%, of which you will never be a member.
Thomas created a user account on NewsVine just for that one post. Sure he did.
Radical agenda? Just make it up, why not.
Hilarity fails to ensue.. Nothing to see here folks..
The new right wing mantra "If I only had a brain"...btw Terry Cargo, expect the next Rethuglican President to get treated with the same contempt that you idiots are showing this one. You changed the rules, now live with them.
WAR ON IGNORANCE is now under way. Re-electing the Prez and turning the Congress almost completely BLUE will go a long way in fighting against the ignorance that has infected every corner of American political discourse.
I'm an independent - fiscal conservative, social liberal and I'm voting for Obama. The republican right has deliberately alienated people like me. Know what? Obama will indeed get elected. President Mitt Romney? President Rick Santorum? Hardly.
Brains are elitist.
The media and the public don't have a right or a responsibility to question the behavior of the president in what is clearly sensitive diplomatic discussions. I remember when Republicans rushed to the defense of George W. bush when he would regularly let a string of embarrassing comments slip during international conferences when he was clearly in over his head. The right said we had not business to eavesdrop on Dubya, and that it was no big deal. Now? I smell hypocrisy... http://www.sunstateactivist.org
The problem here is the President is acting like a cocky little boy. He talks as if he knows for sure he will be President re-elected. I believe the statement he should have made would be something along the line of "We shall work together in the future, whether it be me, or another person holding this Office." No BFD, huh? You Liberals are a major trip into the Ozone Layer!!!
"He talks as if he knows for sure he will be President re-elected."
He talks as if he's confident that he is going to win the election. Show me one candidate who is not and I'll show you a loser.
You're are seriously reaching here.
How many candidates say things like: "When I'm President" or "during my administration" etc. I could provide you tons of quotes from Mitt and the others to back that up. But, somehow I doubt that would matter to you.
You live in your RW bubble and you start from a position that Obama is bad/wrong, then you seek evidence to support that belief. But, that doesn't make it reality.
"I believe the statement he should have made would be something along the line of"We shall work together in the future, whether it be me, or another person holding this Office."
This is why you are not the President. You would signal to the Russians a lack of confidence in the strength of your administration?
Silliness.
"cocky little boy"
Little boy? Tipping your hand a bit there.
Of course the President is going to win re-election. I am tired of the GOP talking about vajayjay like it belongs to them. No way in hell I want those nut jobs in Congress or the White House.
@Jeffrey Geyer: He couldn't say what you suggest for he doesn't know what another person is going to do or the future circumstances. Can you really say what the future holds?
And you right wing trolls, running around liberal blogs are cute, I hope you get your $7.50 per hour from your Koch masters.
Yeah, sure, Obama is being cocky. Unlike Newt Gingrich who's planning to establish moon colonies by the end of his second term, and here it is still primary season. Which is the little boy, again?
You righties have never left the ozone. Maybe some day you will be able to touch ground, but I doubt you will ever make it back the earth. Too far out in right field.
Maybe we need affirmative action for righties. I believe God would thank us.
Consider Bush's foreign policy disasters and what it did to our prestige in the world. WMD's anyone? Obama's foreign policy is trying to mend relations with other countries. And those policies have succeeded in isolating Iran, got us out of one war, set a timetable to get out of another war, eliminated Al Queda and dictators in various countries and improved our public image in the Arab world. Not too shabby for a supposed "inexperienced" president that Republicans claim is in over his head. And give Hillary Clinton her due in foreign policy.
While I generally agree the Pres has increased pressure on Al Queda, thus making them a non-factor, I would take exception to his other so called accomplishments. In Iraq, he followed a withdrawal plan laid out by Bush. The residual force was on the Pres. In Afghanistan, he built up then said he'll withdraw. For what purpose.
The Arab Spring has thrown that whole region into turmoil. It is too early to state the new leadership will hold us in high esteem.
The Russian reset has not produced many results. Witness their lack of backing us in the UN. The Pres' remarks deserve skeptism over his future policy and the effect on alli4es, like Poland.
This is most telling about the media, then the PBO...
1) PBO bilateral meeting with China Pres. Hu over N. Korea missile launch and the resulted of that meeting... msm nothing
2) PBO speech at the university and how it was received by the S. Korea people, which submitted question to the U.S. Pres.. msm nothing
Yet, all the Amer. people get is a non-conversational statement. Brilliant. And a fake repub. candidate who can't comment on any issues important to the people, but got a full para. about open mic. statement.. That amount to nothing... Bring on the election....
Bring on the election....
Yes, and could you even move it up ..so that the President can discuss things like missle defense at the Nuclear Security Summit? Apparently, the summit going on now is meaningless until after the election:).
the fact, that the Amer. people don't know what coming out of these meeting is the point. The fact that we have to find out what results coming out of this summit from foreign correspondents speak volumes. That leave people like you to presume that nothing can be achieved is remarkable to me.
Some of these bilateral meetings are resulting in some good results and people don't know is telling within it self.. Thank God, these World Leaders are not as pessimistic as some people is a blessing. Especially when so much is at state...
On CNN, Romney said Russia is "without question our No. 1 geopolitical foe".
Seriously?!?
a statement that leads me to believe Bain is positioned to make some serious scratch in China. someone follow the money.
I would call Russia and China our chief competitors for world influence; Russia, politically, and China, economically. For the foreseeable future, neither will be a military threat nor has any desire to be. Our chief security threats are Iran and North Korea. I hesitate to call them our enemies, but have no argument with those who might choose to use that term. I fear these nuances are lost on Bain-boy.
Our chief security threats are Iran and North Korea, which means no threat at all. So tell me again what the huge military is for, a military as big as the rest of the world's combined?
This, should not even be news!!!
This is a courtesy - should it not be, the word "flexibility" clearly impies that he has a better standing in a second term. (And, it would be better for him or next(s) in line to continue...
Clear to me.
Very civilized,
Wait, so Barack Obama killed JR? I missed it!
It makes sense for the President, this President to ask for time. How can the President negotiate anything for if he loses the election then the new man will want to do things his way and it will look like the US don't hold up to there bargains.Does that make sense to you ignorant righties?
OK, so a President should do nothing of importance in the last year or so of his term...especially if it is his second term. Guess that makes sense :). Those 5th and 6th years are the best time to do anything.
Actually he is banking that we vote out the Republican control so that he can get stuff done.Also foreign policy is a different ball game than domestic policy.
You are probably right Louis, but he is making, in my opinion, overly confident assumptions that HE will get re-elected and that the Democrats will re-gain control of Congress. What if one or both of those do not happen? So is he basically admitting that he is powerless at this point in his first term, and secondly that he can do nothing really "flexible" UNLESS he is re-elected AND Congress is Democratic?
Unlike Bush, Obama has never said anything that would embarrass the United States. I have never cringed when he has made a speech. Bush just made us look and sound stupid.
Big deal. They're a little busy with the elections.
Poor right wing lunatics go to bed every night with their heads spinning and their blood boiling because there is a black family living in the white house and they are going to be there for another 4 years. But wait until 2016 and a woman gets elected, then they are really gonna go ballistic. The wonderful thing about the old angry erectile dysfunctional white men in the rethuglican party is that they are so entertaining when they go public with their stupidity, their racism, their misogyny and their hypocrisy. Its tough for these right wingers to profess to their wives and kids that they make go to church while they hit the adult video store to admit they are rice Christians.
After all these legislative assaults on women's rights, I would dearly love to see a woman President next time around. I would in any case, but the only real solution to the GOP's misogyny is more women in elected office.
I wonder why Obama ran, he's young and could have waited. Hilliary had an axe to grind with Republicans and would not have let them push her around. She also would not have made beginner's mistakes like Obama did. Hillary will be 69 in 2016, old but not too old, I hope.
I LOVE hot mic moments, no matter who is making them! They're so unscripted and real.
As long as the media makes it front page news, this is going to be milked by both sides for a very long time.
It's amazing how such a non-issue can be "the issue" all of a sudden.
I won't be able to watch the dang news for another week.
Thanks.
Guess what? No big deal. Anyone with any darn sense knows that nothing will get through that do NOTHING Congress, not doing this election season. So the big deal that some are trying to make of what the President said, is what.
"I suppose any new evidence will be seized on as important and shocking." I'm a Dem and voted for Obama on his promises. Since office, he has flip flopped on several issues (SuperPAC, Cannabis, NDAA took citizen rights away). I don't like the fact that he can't do things currently while he is President. Why should the world wait for peace just because he wants to be elected first? That's not being fair to the people when the opportunity exists now. Food for thought.
I'm not an Obama hater, just want him to do the absolute best job protecting the rights of the citizens and giving them back the rights the Fed took in the first place through lies.
@ Thomas Cargo please go away! If ignorance is bliss you my friend must overjoyed.
At least Obama didn't barf on him.
Ok, so Mitt Pomney will declair war on Iran, restart the cold war arms race, but still balance the buget and cut taxes.