Tonight's guests include:
Katherine Eban, reporter for Fortune magazine, latest article sheds new light about the Fast and Furious scandal
Elizabeth Warren, (D) Massachusetts Senate candidate, helped create Consumer Financial Protection Bureau
And here's executive producer Bill Wolff with a look at tonight's show:
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Wow, that's a heck of a pitch for "Fast & Furious" as the opening segment. Since I've been asking/begging for that kind of explication lately, I feel almost disloyal to have to miss it live (I'm in Alaskan time zone, and have family duties that early up here. Will be watching on the podcast later tonight).
BTW, on the flight up, I had a great time reading the WONDERFUL Rolling Stone article on "Rachel Maddow's Quiet War." Really, the whole issue is terrific, with a Matt Taibbi piece on the Wall St. organized crime bid-rigging scandal too, and a heartbreaking piece on being homeless and living in your car. Nothing like a long plane ride for #longreads.
But y'all aren't hollering about the Rolling Stone story enough, esp. cuz it is only available in the PRINT edition, as far as I know. So let me holler about it here:
July 5-19 Rolling Stone print issue, "Rachel Maddow's Quiet War on Television News."
Was especially kicky for me to read because Ben Wallace-Wells was up there working on the story (and he features that night in the piece) the night I got to come up and meet y'all. I was tickled that my night in particular was such a hot show. It was excellent.
There's more in the article I want to bring up and discuss, but I have to run, so maybe will get to it later. There just so much MEAT in there to chew on, and interesting stuff from @ProducerGuy1 too. I had some follow-up questions!
It is just so revolutionary, what this show is attempting to do. I was just struck by the LIMITATION of print-only content. It's like it is closed off as a discussion topic, excluded for the larger online COMMONS, which has gotten so powerful in the time since (and I've been studying it since its birth)-- this kind of snuck up on me!
Sure, I rail against firewalls and walled gardens, blah blah blah. But print is the old world, so it is a kind of new thing, to judge it by new world standards. To say, Oh evil print, you are locked out of the discussion, you are the ORIGINAL walled garden! Wow.
Currency, one of the primary pegs for news stories, is the criteria of being about "what is on people's minds, what they're discussing right now." But print-only content excludes itself from currency when it can't be circulated. How to discuss? How to say, well this point in this paragraph says "X" and blah blah blah, when you can't really quote it, can't refer to it as a point of common understanding, because anyone who doesn't have access is excluded from the conversation!
Well, I just had to rant about that for a second.
You gotta be crapping me. A big stink about the US government maybe let some guns get into bad hands.
We've been peddling weapons all over the world for decades. For profit and supposed political gain. Big nasty weapons along with crates of the smaller ones. To dictators. To terrorists. Pretty much to anyone with money that was, or claimed to be, anti-communist.
An interesting statistic would be the number of total people killed all time by American weapons not fired by Americans.
Hey Rachel! I'd really like to hear your take on the new Republican Party platform, as proposed by Texas Republicans, to get rid of the Voting Rights Act of 1965.
The best part of tonight's show was when Maddow choked at 9:05 P.M. ET live on air. It shut her up for at least a couple of minutes. Pure bliss.
that's what happens when you spend too much time with Bill Maher.
Groucho Marx said, "I don't want to belong to any club that will accept me as a member."
The NRA rating should be held to ridicule. They are behaving like terrorists.
To me, the NRA are manufacturing higher gun sales by scaring people. Similarly, AARP sells insurance, but they do have many other good suggestions for their customers.
I have to ask a possibly silly question: Do the Congress members have to vote yea or nay, or can they just abstain or vote present?
Rachael,
If all that you say is true, why then did the President invoke the Executive priveledge? Great spin your providing..... but if Eric Holder the Attorney General would have release the documents as he said he would this would be a moot point.
By that logic, you should hand over your bank information, so we can make sure that you aren't embezzling, a drug dealer, or the like. Issa has gotten the documents that are relevant, but isn't satisfied because they don't give him something to twist. Issa has been fishing for whatever he can misinterpret for his own gain, and privilege (there's the right spelling for you) is a straight-forward way of smacking him on the nose with a newspaper, like you do with all bad dogs.
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/executive+privilege
http://www.nytimes.com/1990/02/08/us/reagan-court-filing-clarifies-claim-of-executive-privilege.html
According to the Hill, and other media reports, the presidential breakdown for executive privilege is as follows:
President Ronald Reagan: 3
President George H.W. Bush: 1
President Bill Clinton: 14
President George W. Bush: 6
President Barack Obama: 1
There has been lots of executive privilege and this is the first time for Obama Administration.
http://www.hlntv.com/article/2012/06/20/holder-history-presidential-use-executive-privilege
Rachel:
On tonight's show you said the Senate would never go along with the Holder contempt of Congress citation. I thought that a contempt of Congress only required that either the House or the Senate to vote on it, not both. Please see if you can check this. BTW you had the best cough ever on TV? Really entertaining. So cute.
Re Fast & Furious Katherine Eban's Fortune expose: Now I'm worried that the prosecutorial corruption in Mexico is now in Arizona. If not, laws preventing selling guns from Arizona to Mexico so lax, it could very well happen in the future. You would think NRA veep Wayne LaPierre was on cartel payroll.
Sheesh, what brought the trolls out of the woodwork? LOL. Whatever yanks their chains. Trolls crack me up.
OH YAY! The article is online! Well, that blows my whole rant out of the water. LOL.
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/rachel-maddows-quiet-war-20120627
GO READ THIS! RIGHT NOW.
I love how Maddow has stories not seen elsewhere. Definitely enjoy her show and all involved bringing to air.
Now, I browse around and was also impressed with Bill Moyers on PBS. Another Rolling Stone article and video clips with Taibbi and Yves Smith
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/blogs/taibblog/taibbi-joins-yves-smith-on-moyers-20120625
Also, the article Taibbi wrote about Wall Street following Mafia tactics can be found there.
Moyers & Co. http://billmoyers.com/segment/matt-taibbi-and-yves-smith-on-the-follies-of-big-banks-and-government/
I loves me some Bill Moyers, to the point that I would have his love child, I think (that would be really saying something, esp. since the one time I got to meet him, I was struck nearly speechless).
Here's the link for the Matt Taibbi piece in Rolling Stone I referenced above too (prolly could think of it as a companion piece to the Bill Moyers bit above):
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/the-scam-wall-street-learned-from-the-mafia-20120620
SCARY scary story. Like Boss Tweed scary.
Here's also some notes he posted on the scandal: http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/blogs/taibblog/notes-on-wall-streets-bid-rigging-scandal-20120622
For the record, the Rolling Stone SEARCH function is one glorious piece of steaming pooh. None of the current stories show up in the archives under any keyword search, there's no table of contents on the current issue, other than a bunch of blather about artists and bands. It's like they deliberately don't want people to read the publication. Brilliant! No wonder I thought they were firewalling off the Maddow story to the print-only edition, originally. I ended up getting the link to the story off someone on Twitter.
And that piece from the current issue on the homeless people living in their cars in Santa Barbara is nowhere to be found. I guess they really don't want anybody reading that one.
Rachel, you are dehydrated, believe me, it's very easy to get dehydrated and you wouldn't even know it. An 8 ounce glass of water every hour will help you immensely. The camera lights, your evening cocktails, the heat, all conspire to dry you right up. That must have been the LONGEST segment you've ever done on TV !!!!!! I can just see the right wing spin machine, "Rachel Madow chokes on liberal lies" "GOD takes Rachel Madow's voice just before she attempts to spew liberal propaganda"....Stay hydrated!!! Take care, I watch all the time... Daniel
Was the cough surgically removed from the podcast? Synergy creating synergy? I never even noticed it.
So Carl Rove was GWB's right hand man, we all know what the did to this country! Now comes Carl with SuperPac money backing Mitt, you really want Mitt in the White House? Call me crazy...four more years!!! Please put me on the show, average working man.
* Well said Elizabeth. After watching you in the past, and tonight, I just realized who
will be running next to Hillary in 2016 during the primary's. Is 4 years not enough time
to right all of Brown's wrongs, or to leave the state in a much stronger postion than
when you arrived? Fine.. I'll look forward to voting for you in 2020...lol
I once had respect for you but after your horribly biased, one sided and very distorted depiction of fast and furious I consider you a disgrace to your profession of journalism. Why won't you invite whistleblower special agent John Dodson on your show - I'm sure you've seen the CBS's investigative piece that forced Holder to change his original position denying that ATF was aware.
Holder said he would release the documents and if your guest's half-baked "investigative" piece
Is based on facts Holder and the president would WANT the documents released to prove they had good intentions. Any 5 year old who can google knows that Eban's piece is bull@!$%#!
Brian Terry was given a non- lethal gun that shot bean bags and he was ultimately killed by a gun that was provided to criminals by ATF. If this wasn't a scandal of epic proportions being covered up by
DOJ any prosecutor in any city in the US would be allowed to subpoena documents to investigate a
homicide. But because this administration refuses to live up to it's transparency promises it's obvious that the Terry family will never have closure and no one will be held accountable for Terry's death! And you are willing to clean up this scandal because of your biased political views.
Shame on you!!!
I'm an Independent by choice, voted for our current president and respect his decision for most, just not sure about the health care mandate and all the spending, but what I do know, is watching your show makes me sick. I try to be neutral, listen to both sides, but it seems all you do is complain about the right .. and really the best thing in the world today was the city or New Orleans agreed to take ownership of cityofyes.us? Really? Can you please start providing objective criticism and information without the "what an idiot" attitude. Your tone completely turns me, an independent off, and I guess thats why I just keep clicking. Is there any tv that provides a neutral position? uhg
Well, there's the truth here, and the lies over on Fox... If you want a middle ground, I have pity for you.
I can't help but wonder if we are through the looking glass on this 'Fast and Furious' thing. It just seems to me that it is more plausible that the NRA cooked up the whole scheme as a way to attack the administration, and then sent it down the short leash that they hold on Issa, et al. It's easier to believe this than to expect that Issa came up with his by himself. Could it be that the gun-nut blogger who proposed this from the beginning was either selected by LaPierre, or just a patsy for him? Issa has been looking for things to attack the administration on, for years, and hasn't come up with much yet (and now, thanks to Fortune mag, we know that he still doesn't really have too much on the ball). So this might've been a bone that LaPierre threw to Issa, and Fortune mag intercepted it and exposed it for what it truly was.....
How's that for a conspiracy theory?
I know what Scott Brown meant when he says he is busy meeting with Kings and Queens. He must be going to ALOT of Drag Shows, that is where he is having those secret meetings with Kings and Queens. Republicans go check the local gay bar... You have another "Closet Case" on your hands.
If you did that Kitchen Drawer thing in my kitchen you will need Heath Care, badly.
Scott Brown? Debate, against Liz Warren? HA! Brown may be able to hold his own VS a monkey but he knows he's not smart enough to debate Warren. As a matter of fact, MOST of the those in the Republican Corporate Ho Party are driven by low grade thought processes... I just got done watching "Rise of the Planet of the Apes" and the Republicans remind me of the Apes except not that smart... (lol) spoact.blogspot.com
Carl Rove was GWB's right hand man and we know what they did to this country, now here comes Carl with his Super Pac money supporting Romney are you kidding me, you really want Mitt in the White House...call me crazy!!! Love to be on the show Rachel
"YES" We Can!!!! Way to go Judges!!!
Rachel,
If I change my name to Scott and come on in full drag king glory can I be on your show? LOL
Thanks so much for sending viewers to the Fortune article. I've read most of it so far and I'm quite impressed. Sadly the article seems to show that everything that's been widely reported about Fast & Furious is totally wrong. That makes the Republican conspiracy even more whacko than it might have seemed initially.
But it also seems the Obama administration's capitulation to political pressure helped encourage the spreading of bogus information. Reminds me of the Shirley Sherrod thing.
Anyway, I've posted some negative comments here about how TRMS has presented this issue. Though I still wish the show had focused on the substance of the story, instead of the conspiracy theory, from the beginning, I see now that TRMS is essentially correct not to have taken any of the accusations seriously.
So, mea culpa, and thanks again.
Yeah, I'll second that on the Fortune article. It is really terrific reporting, and I also was wanting more of a "ground" in order to play the Fox conspiracy-mongering "figure" against. Needed more explication.
How to explain? I was not against the discussion of the otherworldly, NRA-driven hype of the peculiar rightwing media tactic.
But I don't tend to take things on FAITH (or, as brought out in the Rolling Stone piece, surrendering to one POV as an "authority." Generally, argument from authority is a tactic used more on the right than on the "critical thinking" left. It's not that I want that false equivalency "balance" crap that Jay Rosen has so effectively crucified US journalism for. We on the left don't goosestep and march, and we like to argue diversely and divisively and wrap our heads around things).
So the nutty conspiracy and NRA-scoring stuff was one part of the story, but we got that part first, when I needed to understand the ATF (and now I know, the peculiarities of Arizona law enforcement in regard to guns), the basic who what where whens of this whole "walkover" thing. THEN I could step back and appreciate the pure nutjobbery of the NRA conspiracy set.
Am happy to have finally gotten both!
I'am an avid fan of the Maddow show.I find it very informing as to what is going on in the Government and may I say 99&9/10 percent of the time I'am in total agreement with her I think personally she should take Scott Brown on politically. I think Congress is using Mr. Holder as some kind of scape-goat. It is a humiliation to our President and his Cabinet. I do not think it is a proper recourse for a political body such as the RNC to Mar or Tarnish our most scared and highest office of this great land of ours.
Rachal, You have to stop wearing that Grey Hoodie, Otherwise everything is okey-dokey.