There were at least some hints that boosted optimism in advance of this morning's jobs report from the Bureau of Labor Statistics. Just yesterday, the ADP payroll data exceeded expectations, and we saw an encouraging dip in jobless claims. Economists projected job gains in June of about 100,000, and that looked like a reasonable, if modest, expectation.
We didn't get there. For the third consecutive month, job totals were disappointing, with the U.S. economy creating only 80,000 jobs in June. The unemployment stayed the same, stuck at 8.2%.
As is nearly always the case, there was a gap in the public vs. private sectors -- American businesses added 84,000 jobs last month, while the government shed 4,000 jobs. In terms of revisions, April's totals were revised down a little, while May's totals were up a little.
Yes, we can take some solace in the fact that the job market is not deteriorating -- June's totals were slightly better than May's, which were slightly better than April's -- but that's cold comfort given the larger context. Creating 80,000 jobs a month isn't even enough to keep up with population growth, and certainly won't reduce unemployment in a hurry.
And while it's tempting to think policymakers in Washington would see data like this and act immediately, taking bold steps to boost job creation, the fact remains this not an option given Republican power in Congress.
I'd also note for context that, so far in 2012, the economy has created over 950,000 private-sector jobs, which is underwhelming, but is already better than five of the eight years of the Bush/Cheney era.
And with that, here's the chart I run on the first Friday of every month, showing monthly job losses since the start of the Great Recession. The image makes a distinction -- red columns point to monthly job totals under the Bush administration, while blue columns point to job totals under the Obama administration.
Update: Here's another chart, this one showing monthly job losses/gains in just the private sector since the start of the Great Recession.
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America will never be able to fully recover until conservative lawmakers and Republican politicians stop their strategy of jobs sabotage and get on the page of helping this country, not just their own political aspirations. Mitt Romney and the other Republicans bashing the President for his jobs policies are going to have to surrender to reality soon enough and change their talking points or risk being laughed off the national stage. Millions of jobs were created last year, something every Republican has consistently lied about. Now is not the time to cut off the growth of jobs with a toxic conservative agenda of spending cuts and more government handouts to billionaires. http://www.sunstateactivist.org
Thte President's personal "job Czar" GE CEO Jeffery Immelt is outsourcing this country into oblivion. I don't see how the President can sit in the same room with Immelt and listen to his advice. WHAT A JOKE! "INSOURCING" is just bringing back the jobs from China and India at half the original wages and GE Is leading the way.
All talk no FACTS to back up your spin...again!
Daveydog4, that makes to much sense for Maddow to report. Of course everything is the Republicans fault. Obama had control of the Senate and the House for 2 years and could have essentially done what ever he wanted....did we forget that that RRRRRRACHEL?
From AllGov.com:
President Barack Obama’s choice of Jeffrey Immelt, chairman and CEO of General Electric, to chair the newly-created President’s Council on Jobs and Competitiveness has drawn criticism for many reasons.
GE is a model for what’s wrong with corporate America these days, writes Shahien Nasiripour at The Huffington Post. It’s a company “that’s hoarding cash, sending jobs overseas, relying on taxpayer bailouts and paying less taxes than envisioned.”
On the issue of shipping jobs overseas, GE’s actions are particularly glaring. The company regularly tops the list of transnational corporations ranked by the size of their foreign asset holdings, as it receives more of its revenues and profits from abroad than from its U.S. operations. Also, the majority of its 304,000 employees are based overseas.
Between 2005 and 2009, the U.S. employee share of GE’s total workforce dropped from 51% to 44%. In 2009 and 2010, GE shuttered 28 manufacturing plants in the U.S
No news like old news to make your point. Now get more up to date!
http://www.geaviation.com/press/other/other_20120213.html
@Daveydog4
If you look at the graph nimrod, those two years saw the biggest bounce back. Then the republicans took control of congress and we've been putting along ever since. You guys are the problem.
@ smarty pants
What a wonderful point! I wish I had thought of it.
Once again, it's about perspective . . . and history. Study history, especially recent history; otherwise you'll hear the super-pac commercials and think they are true.
I mute them when they come on. Total waste of on-air time...
Ifor1, I do that, too. As soon as the low jobs report came in, Romney fed on it like the parasite he is. Loves that bad news. Just drooling over things not getting better, but not mentioning that it's the T-party congress BLOCKING every bill Obama wants to have passed!
The only bad news I can think of is Romney issuing in his tried and failed policies which will sink our floundering ship! We may be traveling slowly now, but by God we're moving toward the shore!
Despite the common use of the phrase "Political Calculus," most people know little of the differential calculus that would help them understand the difference between a value and a rate. If the rate of job growth is relatively constant then this means the number of fraction of jobs is changing at this particular rate. While we all wish the recovery would pick up, at least the rate is positive. As a teacher, I try to make this point with relevant examples and with humor but still people do not get it.
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You certainly came to the right site.
TherealChris! LOL, He sure did! The uninformed trying to outdo the misinformed! (of course, I mean the trolls!)
Three steps forward, two steps back.
The Obama campaign has to approach this with a Rovian strategy: turn your weakness into your opponent's weakness. For example, as Steve says, hammer incessantly on the poor job growth of the Bush-Cheney years, and ask: do we want to go back to that? Another tactic: emphasise slow-but-steady job growth with a tough, gritty "America is back - it's not easy, but we're fighting, we're pulling through and we're getting the job done" kind of message. Sort of like the Detroit-is-back Super Bowl commercial. That has the extra benefit of tying into Romney's opposition to the auto bailout.
That's pretty much what they're doing.
I would love to see a contrasting chart, with public sector job creation/losses.
Do you have a chart for Public Sector jobs?
Wow - nice spin. Exactly the opposite of what I would expect a far righty to say. But at least you're willing to admit that Democrats really aren't any better than Repubicans. That is what you're doing, right? :-)
You know, I've been doing a lot of thinking lately and I'm coming to realize a few things:
WHY are you spending so much time on what Romney "says" each day? Does it really matter? Are you going to change anyone's mind? We've gotten so wrapped around the axle about "what Romney's saying" that we've lost sight of what's really important. Romney's just the puppet to distract us - there have been some SERIOUS changes going on in how people think, and the Democrats have done NOTHING to stop or change that! Where are the "big ideas" that actually COULD change minds like "Change we believe in" or the HOPE posters from the last campaign.
I've been trying to find out what Democrats or even people on this website "believe in", but all I see is that they really like to bash Romney or Rush or Glenn or the idiot du jour (I know, it is "fun" but it really doesn't matter much - doesn't change anything), but they don't seem to have any ideas of what they are actually FOR - what BIG IDEAS about the future that they support!! BIG IDEAS that could capture the interest of people in this country - even those that think they are voting for their father's Republican Party. It HAS to come from the Democrats because there just ISN'T anyone else right now - and they are falling down on the job!!
Have we REALLY accepted that 8.2% unemployment is "OK" and that real small changes are "positive"? WHY isn't someone standing up and saying that this is TOTALLY UNACCEPTABLE and marching on Congress to DEMAND that they get off their butts and do something?
Have we REALLY accepted that the way Wall Street does business is now "acceptable" and that attacking Bain and other companies for the way they make money is "wrong"??? The way Wall Street makes money WAS NOT the "American way" in the past before Reagan (not for the Republicans or the Democrats) but now it is "accepted" (I know - I accepted it myself before I started really thinking about it)! WHY isn't there more outcry about this other than that silly Occupy Wall Street which was pretty much ignored by everyone? Is there no one who is not "afraid" to take on the Wall Street bullies way of life?
Have we really accepted that destruction of collective bargaining is OK? WHY didn't Obama spend more time in Wisconsin? Have we really accepted that a person gives up all his rights to how he is treated when he gets a job?
Have we really accepted that "everything" depends on the Presidential race instead of understanding that Congress has the ability to do more damage to this country that the President ever could? WHY aren't we paying more attention to what is happening in the Congressional races?
WHERE is the outcry against Citizen's United - WHY aren't their marches on Washington to get an amendment in place that states that Corporations ARE NOT people? Have we just "accepted" that "money" is the same as "free speech"?? Somehow, I thought "free speech" was something our forefathers thought was so "important" that they wrote the First Amendment around it. I don't seem to recall that they did the same thing for "money".
Enough of my soapbox. I guess I'm just sick and tired of the "drama of the day" when we are doing NOTHING to stop the Republican Party from changing how people think in this country while we focus on their "straw men". We should be more concerned about what is happening in the background, but......
Yes, way too many people have accepted the status quo because for far too many people it is the easier choice. As long as their lives are not damaged too much by what is happening they will remain silent. It is a lot like how to cook a frog without him knowing what you are doing. Put him in a pot of water and slowly, slowly raise the temperature he will remain in the pot until the water is hot enough to kill him. I know this is way too simplified but human nature seems to support being silent and maybe things will get better. Or maybe it is because humans by nature are lazy and we no longer want to fight for the things that are being slowly taken away from us. Much like the average German citizen in the years before WWII and during the war. It was easier to close your eyes to reality then to take a stand. I am not saying all are this way but it seems the majority are.
ME3: Great points. Welcome to the matrix where we are all hooked-up to a corn syrup feed of illusion while being drained of our time and energy by......so that.....
You want the truth or is this a rhetorical question?
If you want the truth, you need look no further than the rhetoric of division both parties are spewing. It's all either side has because neither Obama nor Romney has any answers to solve the current economic problem we have right now.
Since Obama has no track record of success, there is nothing his campaign can do but criticize Romney. I've seen a lot of people here talking about all the wonderful things Obama has done, but if this were true he'd be focusing on that and totally ignoring what Romney is doing. If things truly were changing for the better, we wouldn't need to be convinced Romney was a bad choice.
Since Romney doesn't have any answers either he does the exact same thing - criticize Obama.
I predict Obama will be re-elected, not because he's doing a great job but because the only other choice is Romney.
There is no pill to take, so swallow the one that made you ill.
"What do the Democrats believe in?" I too have tried to find the answer reviewing legislative acts of both parties. There is an obvious trend from republicans but no such similarity from democrats. It is frustrating as the lack of conviction has enabled the opposing team to create the narrative. I no longer believe a word of their story but can't help being impressed by how well they rally public support...getting folks to vote against their own best interests. Democrats need to clearly define a platform, start publicly defending it AND start anticipating the subversive acts of the opponents rather than reacting after the damage has been done. I honestly feel this would move more folks back to the center as a common theme (I've even used to make this argument) "...I vote Republican because at least I know what I am going to get..." In reality, they typically don't as the one trend in republican policy is a strict, almost cult, belief in the trickle down theory of economics...both for businesses and the top of the food chain.
After all this, you vote Republican? They do believe in trickle down. However, their policies suck everything up to those who just don't need it. I'm 70 yrs old. Their policies have never changed, they have always had the media (Hurst actually came up with punishing the rich for success when FDR set up a tax code to make the rich pay for maintaining the wars they love to start instead of profit by them) Their policies have always favored the rich and big business. When I read articles like I read yesterday with Republicans defending their low taxes on the rich and smaller government, and fewer regulations, I read the the whole article in the first sentence. The economy was fine from 1930 to 1970 . . . FDR set up regulations so we would never slide down the rabbit hose again and they held until Carter started lowering taxes and relaxing deregulation. Clinton cinched deregulation with the repeal of Glass Stiegel, but if you go against Republican interests, they will get you, no matter what. Remember what happened to Abraham Lincoln (RINO), JFK, RFK, MLK, and Clinton and now Eric Holder? To me, it's simple. We have a playbook to pull us out of financial ruin. It was written and implemented by FDR. It consisted of regulations, protection for the people, jobs for the people who actually built our infrastructure, jails, schools and recovery from a 25% unemployment rate. People say WWII pulled us out of the depression but we wouldn't have had the money for that if Roosevelt hadn't sneaked money out of the budget to build boats and planes. The demolition of this country is due to the forced pull of our bullied Democrats further and further to the right by the Republican bullies. We need a strong Democratic leader in this country? How do you think we are going to get that when, thanks to W who presided over the biggest transfer of wealth in history, which sucked all the money to the top .001%? The Dems have a leader. If this country would join him instead of fight everything he tried to do, he could have been very good for us. I don't believe this president didn't know the answers. He stated them quite clearly during his campaign. The fact that the Republicans blocked his every move with a record breaking number of filibusters should be quite obvious, even to the uninformed.
Shirley-well said. perhaps we today are not made of the stuff our parents and grandparents of the great depression were.
we argue the smallest points of politics and cannot put our hands out to fellow Americans. maybe it goes farther back to the neighbors volunteering to build a new barn for a new neighbor. perhaps that concept of me first has taken root and money is our new neighbor.
Like I said on the other blog, we don't have as much money as they do so we have to wait until September and October to blitz them, unless you know where we can come up with a couple of billion to level the field. Thank you citizens united.
Jane, the irony of Citizens United is corporations are really people too...in the abstract. Just like unions, membership dues go into a fund and gets dispersed through the political system by how a few at the top best see fit. Corporate funds feeding the system are acquired from customers buying their products...what percentage of your grocery bill goes into system to fund right or left wing politics? I don't have an issue with the Citizens United ruling...I DO get upset with the ability for companies to do so anonymously!!! If I knew which companies were giving how much to whom, I could simply stop buying their products. The Gay/Lesbian community rallied against Target some time back due to support of an anti-gay candidate and just the real threat of a boycott changed corporate behavior. We are a consumer based economy and only by threatening their profits do corporations fall into line. I don't like what the Koch brothers are doing as reported numerous times on TRMS but it would be helpful to know their supply change through which markets so I can stop feeding them...
I fault the media for this: No background, no in-depth reporting on the real culprits, no serious analysis as to why things are moving so slowly. I realize I am more interested than 95% of the viewers, being a political junkie, but when I see a poll that 40% did not know of the Supreme Court's decision on the AHCA, I know something is very wrong.
You would think that real life, and things which actually fashion our future would be more interesting than those vapid soap operas, but no......I guess not. I find that very troubling. We have an uninformed electorate, about a billion spent on negative, lying TV ads, and these people will vote pretty much blind to what the facts are. Well, that's just scary.
You named your strength "political junkie"! You and I, junkies, will have to carry the efforts on a daily basis until our numbers increase:
Loudly ring your bell, clang your pot, shout from your rooftop, speak moderately in Library and to anyone who will listen. That's what we, us, you and me, do well! :)
Chitown says:
Let us focus on "that": http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1WbQe-wVK9E&feature=player_embedded#!
Go for it!
Well, I finally (after searching for six months) got another job that I will actually enjoy. I AM making about 15,000 less per year than I was though. I guess that is the trend anymore. All of my job-searching friends are taking jobs that pay them less, or require more work for the same money.
Still, I'm excited for my new job and there is opportunity for pay increase over time. In the meantime, I'm teaching Zumba and yoga and I am also a part-time silversmith. Gotta hustle to make it these days.
I'm praying that Obama stays in so we don't see more of these horrible Republican "solutions" that only consist of sucking the money out of the middle and lower classes. These people are nothing but vampires.
Very good. Vampires! I think they are criminals but vampires brings up a pretty good image of what the do!
eebs: Sound like you have two skills/hobbies that could be turned into a good small business in the future ( just my thought) good luck with the new job...
If Willard wins invest in coffins!
So all the whining about Obama killing the economy? Guess what ... lies.
Why do people keep calling this the "Great Recession?" A far more accurate term (in my opinion) would be the Bush Depression.
Hilarious...This guy's numbers sink farther and farther by the month downward and yet 3+ years in....STILL blame Bush. Nobody buy's it...
Not blaming Bush for the mess we're in is like not blaming a train engineer for a fatal train wreck because he's no longer driving the train. Plus you have the current batch of Reprobates blocking everything O tries to do with their filibusters.
Not so hillarious if you ask me - especially if you are considering voting for the same criminals that put us here and expect things to get better.
Shirley: Clinton laid the track for Bush with his 1996 Welfare Reform Act (taking from those with the least) and his 1999 Citicorp Relief Act (giving to those with the most). Most Democrats, at best, can only claim innocent by-standing while others were and are complicit in what got us here today and but few fought the good fight.
Scottie's a BILLIONAIRE don't ya know! Hahahahaha!
The President is clueless. Once again, thousands just quit looking for jobs and they don't show up in the unemployment rate. Besides if anything is being created, it's low, dead end jobs, probably full time that you can't raise a family on.
Which is what Reagan created with the trickle down supply side economics. What did you think was behind Reagan taking the US off an industrial based economy and putting the country on a service based economy was about, Reagan believed that many low wage services jobs could create the same economy as high wage industrial jobs, the GOP have stayed to that course since 1980 and now you are whining that industrial jobs are gone, like that happened during the last 4 years.
You are clueless Davydong.............The republican congress took one week to bring a contempt charge, but they refuse to even look at or bring up the JOBS Bill sent to congress this past September! This was intentional and deliberate! The purposely refused to help America in order to hurt President Obama!
Republicans are terrorists!!!!!!!! They have pledged allegiance to Norquist and themselves. Traitors!!!!!!!!!!
Obama/Biden 2012 FOR SURE !!!
"Jobs bill" How about gutting the EPA and putting Coal miners and offshore drillers back to work and lowering energy prices at the same time? Why...THAT would be unreasonable. This Welfare President is running out of time..and all the illegal pandering he can muster and backdoor amnesty he grants will not change that!
Really daveydog4. Good paying manufacturing jobs were lost every year of the Bush years, which helped cause the BUSH DEPRESSION. Republicans are clueless when it comes to cause and effect.
Dumbest thing I have ever heard...how many Union jobs were lost because of this failures EPA (expansion prevention administration) and his Eco nut policies which have halted the jobs that would have come from keystone and all of the UMW workers this guy has put on the welfare line.And Fannie/Freddie caused this collapse and has cost more so far and going forward than the bank bailouts cost. And Bawney Fwank and the facebook freak Anthony Weiner were still pushing for more money for freddie/Fannie even as it crumbled. GET REAL.
More Fox news fake outrage and lies from the last 15 years. Gee how original just more proof scottie is unable to form a thought, he has to be told what to think. Dave Vitter called scottie he is looking for a guy to clean out the dirty diapers the hookers change for him. There ya go scottie a full time job you are skilled enough to handle.
I want you handling absolutely NOTHING of mine.
Doesn't scott have to be trained first? It's a skilled job.
Perhaps you are experienced enough coming from the Government rolls to fill that job.
Yeah Chris talking to scottie amounts to talking to a dinning room table so its more fun to poke him with a stick and watch him squirm like a worm.
daveydog4 Unfortunately, the small government charade of the Republicans has cut countless Federal, State and local jobs. You know, people you might need like teachers, firefighters, police and emergency first responders. You need to dig a little deeper than Faux news? so you can get some actual information.
To Scott, I've reviewed the "jobs" bills you've implied concerning gutting the EPA. While I am no fan of big government and professionally have to deal with some inane regulations, the bills passed by the House (fortunately dying in the Senate) tried to limit liabilities for oil companies should an offshore spill occur. As if our incompetents in Congress KNOW that should a spill occur, it's only going to impact an area +or- 25 miles of coastline. This somehow creates jobs!?! Another "jobs" bill sought to limit the EPA's ability to enforce clean air and water standards "at a greater level than determined by the state". I assume this would allow states to reduce levels to whatever they feel are necessary to attract business...not so bad as long as you live upwind or upstream. The problem is they advertise getting rid of "job-killing" regulations and use some of the more inane examples of what these include...too bad none of the bills contained these and seeks only to limit liability for corporate malfeasance.
So I'm certain with todays media...it would be easy for business to just dump sludge into open streams...*Sheesh* as if American business does not have Much stricter standards than any of the BRIC countries which are enjoying American jobs now. Let's just legislate our way into a third world country as Hussein is currently doing. You want jobs for Americans...or welfare for all?This administration has KILLED West Virginia's economy being the coal industry...How would YOU like the President declaring war on YOUR states only export?
I trust that President Obama has done all that he can do and that the slow growth of the economy is a direct result of the republicans in Congress obstructing and refusing to do the JOBS Bill back in September!
The republican obstructionists will not get their way............we know what is going on here. The reckless and irresponsible acts of Bonehead and McConnell are directly at fault for the slower than normal recovery.
I loathe republicans and their deceit..........President Obama has shown great leadership against a swamp of lies and liars!
Obama/Biden 2012 FOR SURE!!!
What did the libby dems do for the 2 years they had total control of the government? Oh that's right, touted a bill that was not a tax that has now been declared a Tax by the seperate body of Governemt called the Supreme Court.
Obama is in way over his head and has been from the 1st day, since you loathe the opposition so much, perhaps you would be more comfortable with Castro or Putin.
You level of support for your candidate is admirable however misguided and your level of contempt for opposing views just shows your close mindedness(sp).
Yeah,
Romney 2010: If Satan isn't enough to scare the crap out of you.
or maybe,
Romney 2012: Bully for America!
Once again we get this old lie. WTF are the tea bagged republicans still unable to do simple math.
LOL. Two words that should NEVER be in the same sentence.
Spare me your BS when this guy had two years of hegemony and did NOTHING that helped the economy and put U.S. farther in the whole with wasted social spending. You may believe in this failure...but then you proably believe in the Easter Bunny and santa as well. I doubt the American people will be as believing as you...my naive Liberal friend.
You know, after reading a few comments i am left feeling like :o/ ... The point is to educate. It appears that straight from the horses mouth, you have been! The sad thing is, is that you don't even realize how. Well, it's like this... You now have a choice. You can become a voice as well. Not everyone has knowledge of the games being played. Don't question and complain. get angry and SPEAK OUT!! (SMH) HELLO!!
I am so proud of what our President has accomplished after cleaning up Bushes mess. Rome wasn't built in a day!
What did you say Scottie? You have a serious pre-existing condition that's not your or the hospital's fault?
Well, if that's the case, you can bet they will cancel if the ACA is repealed.
All 4 justices who voted to overturn the ACA have guaranteed for life government provided health insurance!
McConnell doesn't think health care needs reforming, because, you know, his is great and we pay for it! Know what else Scottie? We pay for the politicians nice fat retirement packages and their health care and their nice fat salaries for life.
You're worried about some imaginary welfare queen driving a pink caddie. How many pink caddies do you actually see out there?
You don't seem concerned with the fact that Jamie Dimon gambled away 2-5 billion dollars of other peoples money and I have to wonder if you ever thought about how many pink caddies you could buy with 2-5 billion dollars? 2 billion would buy 80,000 pink caddies Scottie! 5 billion would buy 200,000 pink caddies!
The Bible tells us to take care of those less fortunate and the rich man has about as much chance of getting into heaven as a camel has of getting thru the eye of a needle. If you don't take my word for it Scottie, read "The Judgment of the Nations" - Matthew 25:31-46. You might learn something. Surprising what you learn if you actually read the Bible instead of just thumping it. Same for the constitution that advocates for the equality of all!
When done by volunteer groups that are USUALLY religious in nature...I have no problem with that.It is not governments role to be your parent in any way shape or form...nor is it the responsibility of people who have made their own way to pay your way.
Scottie, the Religion of the "Rightwing Conservative" is not the one they wave like the flag, at every opportunity. Christ was a liberal par excellence'. He said Trust in God not the material wealth of this world. He told us what a 'Good Samaritan' is, and it isn't avoiding paying for the medical needs of the guy the Robbers left in the Ditch. It would also NOT be making massive profits off the misery of others whose jobs you killed, exported, or outsourced. So if Christianity is Not the Religion of the Right, what is ?
They worship money, wealth, and they do whatever it takes to make the already Uber-rich, even richer. That's why Mitt Romney only pays 15% on his seven figure income in taxes while most of us who earn 5 figures pay 30-40% out in taxes of every kind. In my town the republican supervisor is going to bill each person who calls for the local volunteer ambulance $1200 bucks for every trip. It used to be a $ 95 tax on our real estate tax bill that everyone paid. This way the little old lady on social security will die rather than call for an ambulance. Money over people, and whatever you do remember these kind of people call themselves, 'PRO-Life'. Just don't look for any evidence to support that lie. More guns, the Death Penalty, War Profiteering, Corporate Welfare, all anti-Life. Greed Works, for just about 1 % of the population. Republicans think those rich people need financial help, Do You ? E. Burke - NY
And you are wrong Scottie, it is the governments responsibility to take care of those who can't care for themselves.
“A government that cannot care for its old and sick, that cannot provide work for the strong, that feeds its youth into the hopper of industry, and that lets the black shadow of insecurity rest on every home, is not a government that could or should endure.
Any business unable to make a fair return except by child labor, long hours,
dog’s wages, lying and cheating, is not a business that this country wants or
needs”…….FDR
“The money powers prey upon the nation in times of peace and conspire against it in times of adversity. It is more despotic than a monarchy, more insolent than autocracy, and more selfish than bureaucracy. It denounces as public enemies, all who question its methods or throw light upon its crimes…. When corporations have been enthroned and an era of corruption in high places follows, the money powers of the country will endeavor to prolong it’s reign by working upon the prejudices of the people until all wealth is aggregated in a few hands and the Republic is destroyed." – Abraham Lincoln
Shirley!! Darling, you got me speaking in tongues out here in California! Quoting those extraordinary writings of great folks! I'd give you 2 votes if allowed. :) :)
I think I will fire off an email to Newsvine asking them to consider allowing us to rate a comment.
Done. I sent the email to Newvine.
I think it makes perfect sense you quoting the last Socialist President before BHO.FDR was a goverment program addicted individual as well....and HE had major conflicts with the Supreme court because of his Failed Socialistic programs as well. And let's see...Anti-gun,Anti death penalty and jealous of others success and looking for handouts...YOU MUST be a liberal. And having an "amen" from a Californian which is a completely failed state thanks to Liberal policy does NOT help your argument.
Arguments are not 'helped' by location, per se. Scott, what State are you? Be honest, now!
Speaking in tongues, you might agree, is a spiritual matter. I may speak in tongues for you, too. Just as soon as your comment touches me on a deeper level. (not intended pun .)
PS. Great writings are effectual writings, in any political sphere. Ronald Reagan quipped: "There you go again..." Scott.
FDR was an aristocrat who enjoyed rank and privilege. So what might have married his personal ambition to commoners' needs? Polio, perhaps.
A misfortunate debilitating disease that tore through the attractive and robust body of FDR, allowing him plenty insight into how the unfortunate 'every guy' could be broken bodily-physically and spiritually-without any recourse from the Courts, or Employer. Not anything of value from society.
That you flagrantly throw out the word, "handouts", may be evidence that you are in a good condition; you have not (yet) been touched by a measurable life-altering catastrophe. That's magnificent! Now, can we sense your conscience in here? Is it right to be so cavalier toward others. Scott.
Accomplished? Record unemployment, Record numbers recieving food stamps and Welfare...America can stand no more of these "Accomplishments".
Yep and if the GOP would have had their way we would now be in the 4th year of the great depression of GWB. Oh yeah lets just forget where the country was 4 years ago gosh darn it Obama should have ordered the country fixed his first 3 days on the job. Whine whine whine republicans do nothing then whine when nothing can get done because of republican laziness.
Fannie/Freddie caused the bust...Hussein spent the first two years on healthcare for illegals and deadbeats and disregarding ANY input from the GOP...yeah,think he's had his run...time to go elsewhere.
Wrong again scottie, really scottie get out of the sandbox and get into a classroom.
Google the ongoing expense of Fannie/Freddie and how much they project it will need over the next five years. Facts are annoying for Liberals...but try a few on anyway.
That's not true, Scott.
The GOP from the outset, vowed to block anything the President tried to do.
Now all the GOP House has done is send crap bills to the Senate, knowing that they can use their non-passage as ammunition against the President.
Instead of acting like legislators, they are acting like 6 year olds who had their ice cream taken away.
Scott,
As a result of a hospital induced illness after emergency surgery (not the hospital's fault - they had no way of knowing that a drug they gave me would cause a severe auto-immune reaction), I now have a serious pre-existing condition. My insurance has already "warned" me that they can drop me. The reason they haven't is because they don't want the pre-ACA publicity. I have a good job, I and my parents were born in this country - so HOW does that make me a "an illegal or a deadbeat"?????
And this President sent ONE..I repeat ONE budget to the house that garnered exactly ZERO votes...so how real is he? And just like healthcare, everything he tries to do is a budget buster when America CANNOT afford it. And once you get a program like Bammycare going, regardless of it's soaring costs and budget busting effects...it's almost impossible to kill. THAT is why you cannot have any long term programs eat even more of the budget than current social spending does.
here we go now that's the answere. "Obama disregarded the GOP input". hey hey hey! got ta say it loud for ya scotties, who walked out on what discussion and parly of meets?
oh yaaaaah can ya remember there scottie? let me help ya. name started with a "C"
teapubs....nothin like rewritten history....oh my ribs........
So...Bankrupting this country in the name of illegals and Welfare recipients is far more important than the long term financial well being of this country. So much for "Ask not what your country can do for you". And being as your insurance has NOT kicked you off the rolls...do you think they particularly care about PR? are you THAT self absorbed?
Obviously I am not as self-absorbed as YOU Scott, because you see, I still CARE about what happens to people around me!!! And I still believe in our Constitution and the part that says "promote the general welfare"!
You've just shown up what you are - a person whose only interest is himself! Enjoy yourself Scott - it must be a lonely existance!!
When "the people around you" are illegals which has no business being supported by the U.S. taxpayer and generational welfare recipients with no interest in returning to work...does that play into the conversation at all? And you see what Europe now finds itself in thanks to their social obligations...do you wish America to be insolvent for your children?
where ya been scotties, Bush had it all goin in that direction. down that is. take a look at your 401K scotties if ya have one. perhaps a retirement fund of another kind. that direction has changed scotties under Obama.
ya see I'm not blaming Bush for the up tick.....
now if we can get the GOP to get on board and forget about the old Bush days...hey scotties just maybe we move the employment to the up tick....
And the statue of Liberty does NOT say "give us your tired poor and huddled masses...and we will give them healthcare and a welfare check".
life, liberty and the persuit of happiness.
oncearepublican-scottie thinks that only applies to him. not a nation of peoples, just him.........
And which part of the constitution guarantees ANY of that??? Get that whole "Pursuit of happiness" part? Not Government GIVING you happiness...know the difference.
Scott,
You just don't get it.
A person without insurance who is sick is GOING to get medical care, but he will have to go to an emergency room instead of a doctor. Emergency care is the MOST expensive care there is. NO Emergency room is going to turn a way a person in need. AND YOU ARE GOING TO PAY FOR IT!! Wouldn't you rather pay a cheaper fee for the person to go to a doctor???
Oh Scottie, You were born here? Your parents were born here? But if you are not American Indian, you or your ancesters were immigrants.
Is your last name Romney? Limbaugh? Rove? Koch?
The subsidies needed to make insurance affordable for all — is only about a third of the cost of the tax cuts, overwhelmingly favoring the wealthy, that Mitt Romney is proposing over the same period. The Affordable Care Act, by contrast, is fully paid for, with an explicit combination of tax increases and spending cuts elsewhere.
When anyone making less than $1 million per year votes Republican, he's advocating his own subjugation.
You ever notice that Republicans never mention Bush? They continue all his policies, but they never say who started them. I figure it's because it will give away the game they are playing.
The argument that it will be magically cheaper to cover 30 MILLION more (mostly illegals and welfare chiselers) is beyond a fantasy and as with all other Government ran programs will be far,far,far more expensive than advertised and the american people want no part of Government controlling their individual health care needs.you must believe in the Easter bunny if you believe a word that comes from this President's pie-hole. He has been a MISERABLE failure and it's really time for him to go.
Link to the Private v Public Sector Job disparity.
Quite telling.
So we need taxpayers subsidizing MORE jobs? AND benefits and retirement as well? Hmmmmmm.....
Remember this Scott?
And where does "Promoting the general welfare" say that The Government should place undue tax burdens on people to GIVE them healthcare? Remember that whole "Taxation without representation" part of the equation? This is was and remains a unpopular bill with Americans that was rammed down their throats by a super majority of Liberals...or did you miss that part?
Scott,
Go reread History - you are only repeating the pieces you like "out of context"!! ACA is not "taxation without representation". And "taxation without representation" was NOT rammed down the colonists throats by "Liberals".
What you can't understand because you don't want to is that Universal healthcare would have actually SAVED money in the long run. Do you really think that an emergency room (the most EXPENSIVE form of medicine that exists) is actually going to turn away ANYONE, illegal or not, who comes to them for help? Or is allowing people to die your form of "fairness"?
And btw, don't you even realize that taxes are lower NOW than they have been for the most of our "taxation" history???
So....which Government program stays in the black? and as the Supremes pointed out...this IS a tax and DEFINITELY not constitutional under the commerce clause. And a majority of Americans do NOT want to pay to support other peoples freebies. And they have every right to not want Government to FORCE them to pay for other people they ARE NOT responsible for. And varied projections has this program busting budgets.
But you would rather the heavy hand of government force this on the people? THAT is not what America was founded on. Personal responsibility fades with every handout Liberals give from the taxpayers pocket.
Actually Scott, you are so WRONG about that!
Our government was formed on Puritan principles of providing for those who couldn't help themselves and providing for equal opportunity, no matter what your station in life.
Our past until recently is full of the wealthy starting foundations and giving to the poor - now, although we have more rich than we ever had, the only two who still have that belief are Gates and Buffett. You don't see the Dimons or the Diamonds or the Blankfeins setting up foundations like the Carnegies, the Mellons, the Astors, etc did.
The belief that everyone should "pull themselves up by their own bootstraps" and NOT look to government when in need is a relatively new phenomenon in government thinking (apart from the pre-civil war South that thought that allowing anyone a "right" or a "hand" was taking away from those who were "chosen by GOD because they had money" to do exactly what they wanted with anyone they wanted, including enslave them).
We've come into a relatively MEAN period of Plantation politics that say the rich can do what they want and for them give something to someone else means their pre-ordained rights are somehow limited!! It has come down to individual people thinking that if their neighbor gets help with their mortgage, it hurts them personally - that just isn't true, but that is the kind of thinking that has pervaded society today.
Scott, you REALLY NEED to start reading on your own!!!
Actually...it's the churches and religious foundations that helped those in need. Not billionaires or millionaires or EVEN Government.Actually..Government being your Momma and Daddy..is a relatively new government concept starting with LBJ;s "great society" in the 60's. And the devastation it has wrought on the American family and the black community in particular cannot be denied.The single parent homes, the graduation rates dropping like a rock and the incarceration rates are plainly the results of living in the Welfare age. And now Religion is persecuted by the Left and deviant lifestyles accepted as "the new normal" The numbers since the inception of the great society are indisputable and this President has made those figures swell to record highs. I think perhaps it is YOU who just might need to do a "little reading".
Sigh, Scott,
The History of how this country was started has already been well documented. I think it is too late for your "revisionist" beliefs. You just can't pass off what you want to believe or what Fox tells you to, to all of us! But you believe what you want - that is SOOO much easier than actually researching and finding out what's true or thinking for yourself!!
I pride myself in my knowledge of American history and cannot wait for you to point out where I was mistaken. It was NEVER governments intent nor it's role as envisioned by the founders to be involved in a Persons personal lives and providing ANYTHING beyond infrastructure defence and education. PERIOD. Leave it to a Liberal to "re-interpret" the Constitution.....
Scott,
Let me make a couple of corrections:
1) I am not a liberal and if you'd ever paid attention to what I've written, you'd see that I am not a liberal. Because someone doesn't agree with you DOES NOT AUTOMATICALLY make that person a liberal.
2) I said that our country was founded upon the principles of providing for those who couldn't help themselves AND for providing equal opportunity, no matter what your station in life. Providing for people that can't help themselves DOES NOT AUTOMATICALLY MEAN putting them "on the dole" - it means giving them what they need in terms of "support" so that they CAN begin to help themselves.
3) The "Promote the General Welfare" words appear twice in the Constitution - once in the Preamble and once in the Taxation Clause (figure out for yourself what that clause is).
4) There was considerable debate in the Federalist Papers about what "Promote the General Welfare" meant in the Federalist Papers. Madison and Jefferson, the Virginians had a very narrow view that taxation could only be raised to support what was enumerated in the Constitution. Alexander Hamilton, from New York, took the broad view that taxation could be raised to support general welfare goals so long as those goals applied to everyone equally and not to distinct persons or groups of persons, as did Benjamin Franklin separately.
NEVER was the "Promote the General Welfare" clause meant to put people on the dole and I NEVER said it was, but rather give people the "tools" to help themselves, such as education (so long as it was administered broadly to all) and as Ben Franklin probably would have said, health care - had it been available at the time. Read Ben Franklin's words - you'll come to the same conclusion.
The "Broad View" held while Washington and Adams were Presidents. However, when Jefferson became President, his belief in the narrow view took hold and has been debated in the courts ever since.
Ergo, what I said in the beginning, that helping the poor WAS something that the Consitutional framers WERE concerned with - it was the SOUTHERN Representatives (slave holders) who were NOT so concerned with the poor, although they did give approval to the "general welfare" clauses, and from some of their writings, did show some concern for those less fortunate.
Why I am in favor of UNIVERSAL healthcare is that it provides for everyone equally and actually saves money. I still think ACA attempts to apply to everyone equally and healthcare DOES promote the general welfare, so I believe that the framers of the Constitution (other than Jefferson and Madison) would have believed it did fall within the scope of the Taxation Clause, which is kind of the same belief that Roberts came to albeit in a different way.
Leave it to a right wingnut to "re-interpret" the Constitution....
I notice almost three (3) hours and no response from Scott, I wonder why...
probably because I have a LIFE beyond a computer screen...*sigh* And education yes...that was "promoting the general welfare" but to extrapolate that Franklin would have wanted Government to be your wet nurse is blatantly ridiculous. Putting the founders in the mindset of a nanny state is laughable.do you ACTUALLY believe that hogwash or just say such nonsense because you know there are other soft minded Liberals nodding their head at that BS?
Odd, I provided a cogent argument and you've provided...what??? Just insults?????
So much for "priding" yourself on your knowledge of American history.
Snark, snark, snark!!! Nothing but a Fox crossover - I'm done with you!
Isn't that typical, cannot come with a rebuttal so just throw insults, must be a product of the Texas School system, it that not what Texas is now offering the students, removing critical thinking from the education system?
I gave merit to his thought that Government providing groundwork for being successful in the future by establishing an Education system. But what free thinking individual would extrapolate health care as being some kind of basic right to which government should provide. Every person has different requirements of health care and different levels of expectation of care. If common sense does not make that crystal clear then a debate is not possible. ER care provides BASIC service and stabilization now...anything above that falls to you.And "Preventive services" is your own responsibility and Government should NOT be in the business of requiring a "healthy lifestyle" (see Michelle Obama) it is up to every individual to the lifestyle and health/ health care choices to which they desire.
And a Liberals idea of "Critical thinking" is to harpoon Religious beliefs,while spreading the Liberal gospel that the Homosexual lifestyle is normal and CERTAINLY not "Deviant behavior"you can spare me that part of the Liberal platform.
Scott, I am sure you can agree that a healthy people, creates a healthy nation, if people are not healthy in mind and body, then the nation suffers a deficit, we need the young and strong and learned academically, to compete in the world around us, when politicians with hold the very ingredients we need as a people to survive and then blame the other side, they are not only hypocrites in my views but also should be charged with the destruction of a nation, they are no different from the Ghadaffi's and Mubarak's of the world...Another thing, why is my tax $$$ and yours, paying for these $millionaire politicians healthcare, for them, their families and staff, they should pay their own or at least contribute to their bloated "Cadillac" health plans..
There you are, you assume to know what political party i am affiliated because I do not speak in the language of a conservative or a typical Republican, hence the need for critical thinking..I have my own thoughts and do not speak what talks show hosts or other politicians or anyone else for that matter says, just a little training I received as a child from my upbringing as well as schooling, as far as homosexual lifestyle, I do not condone nor do I condemn, I leave it up to the day of judgment, can you say in all honesty you have not done something that could be considered not approved by others, look at the beam in your eyes before trying to remove the beam in another person's eyes...
Do you have the same chance at WHATEVER position be it politician or whatever other field you lust after? Don't covet what is within your reach. Mine is a humble existence and I am happy with the work I do and the money i receive and benefits i get in exchange for my labors. WHY would you covet what you have every chance to attain yourself? Personal responsibility starts when you decide to have that child. It DOES NOT take a village to raise a child.so You should not expect your neighbor to assist you in your decision to raise and support a child. No more than I should expect your help in my financial dealings.
And I did not think to sit in Judgement on any lifestyle...be it religious or Homosexual, but nor do I sit and allow Liberals to persecute a whole class BECAUSE of their religious beliefs.Now being as they promote the Homosexual lifestyle, they have persecuted religious types for their core beliefs that Homosexuality is a deviant lifestyle. I could care less about the homosexual lifestyle..but WHAT makes having gay sex a "protected class". Don't ask,don't tell and for goodness sakes do not flaunt. Nobody cares til you rub their nose in it. Neither religion nor alternative lifestyles should be used in politics.
I disagree, not everyone has the same opportunities in education, even if they live in the same state, There is not equal opportunity in education, it also depends in the neighborhood a person lives as well as the amount $$$ in paid in property/school taxes, I am saying this because I have seen it first hand, the child living one block away in an apartment complex, is sometimes not allowed to go to the same school as the child living in a house, there is a line drawn around that apartment, sometimes the opportunities are not equal, that's just one example of what I am speaking, there are numerous... I am not going to blame the school system totally because some parents are not worth a da*m thing in life, but, we have to educate our people so that they can compete on the world's stage, finally, you said something I could agree with
Your above quote I will accept...
And I would like to commend you for your continued diatribe on one of the most successful popular Presidents in American history.I'm certain you are not being perceived as "out there" at all. LOL
http://www.garyjohnson2012.com/gov-gary-johnson-responds-to-anemic-june-jobs-report
Gov. Gary Johnson Responds To Anemic June Jobs Report
July 6, 2012Posted in Blog, Job Creation
GOVERNOR GARY JOHNSON ON JUNE JOBS NUMBERS: TIME FOR HAND-WRINGING IS PAST
July 6, 2012, Tampa, FL — Presidential candidate and former New Mexico Governor Gary Johnson released the following statement regarding the June jobs report:
“The anemic jobs numbers for June simply confirm what Americans already know: That employers cannot and will not hire new employees with the federal government continuing to rack up trillions of new debt, a tax system that does all the wrong things, and massive uncertainty about the true costs of impending health care mandates.
“Abolish income taxes, repeal the health care mandate, eliminate deficits, and then watch as American entrepreneurs and the private sector put millions back to work.
“The time for hand-wringing and nibbling around the edges is past. We donÂ’t need a 10-year plan for balancing the budget; we need a 1-year plan. We donÂ’t need token reductions in income taxes; we need to eliminate them. And we need to elect a President and a Congress who get the simple fact that less government will mean more jobs.”
Willard's driving his car and comes to a 4 way intersection and turns on his 4 way flashers! A policeman pulls up and asks him if he's having trouble? Willard says No I just can't decide which way to go!
And Hussein was FOR deporting illegals and upholding America's immigration laws...before he was against it of course.
No FACTS again! Spin spin spin= Win win win?
Rupert's not a happy camper because he knows Willard is a perennial loser! LOL!
IQs dropping with every post reflect the number of times you have posted Scottie and the number of people trying to educate you and how far back they have to go to speak on your level - preschool maybe?
"Educate ME"????The number of jobless and on welfare and food stamps are at record highs....So perhaps you may want to engage your brain before the hole under your lip.
The number of jobless and on welfare and food stamps are at record highs because George W Bush loved poor people so much he made sure to create a lot of them. I live in a very nice middle class neighborhood where every house in my cul de sac has been in foreclosure. These are not free loaders or people who didn't work, they were educated people who lost their jobs - teachers, firefighters, pilots, police, ministers, all really nice people, most who never had to ask for or accept help in their life. I posted this earlier but you apparently missed it but if you read it, though I doubt it at this point, you might learn something.
Scottie, the Religion of the "Rightwing Conservative" is not the one they wave like the flag, at every opportunity. Christ was a liberal par excellence'. He said Trust in God not the material wealth of this world. He told us what a 'Good Samaritan' is, and it isn't avoiding paying for the medical needs of the guy the Robbers left in the Ditch. It would also NOT be making massive profits off the misery of others whose jobs you killed, exported, or outsourced. So if Christianity is Not the Religion of the Right, what is ?
They worship money, wealth, and they do whatever it takes to make the already Uber-rich, even richer. That's why Mitt Romney only pays 15% on his seven figure income in taxes while most of us who earn 5 figures pay 30-40% out in taxes of every kind. In my town the republican supervisor is going to bill each person who calls for the local volunteer ambulance $1200 bucks for every trip. It used to be a $ 95 tax on our real estate tax bill that everyone paid. This way the little old lady on social security will die rather than call for an ambulance. Money over people, and whatever you do remember these kind of people call themselves, 'PRO-Life'. Just don't look for any evidence to support that lie. More guns, the Death Penalty, War Profiteering, Corporate Welfare, all anti-Life. Greed Works, for just about 1 % of the population. Republicans think those rich people need financial help, Do You ? E. Burke - NY
And you are wrong Scottie, it is the governments responsibility to take care of those who can't care for themselves.
"A government that cannot care for its old and sick, that cannot provide work for the strong, that feeds its youth into the hopper of industry, and that lets the black shadow of insecurity rest on every home, is not a government that could or should endure.
Any business unable to make a fair return except by child labor, long hours,
dog's wages, lying and cheating, is not a business that this country wants or
needs"…….FDR
"The money powers prey upon the nation in times of peace and conspire against it in times of adversity. It is more despotic than a monarchy, more insolent than autocracy, and more selfish than bureaucracy. It denounces as public enemies, all who question its methods or throw light upon its crimes…. When corporations have been enthroned and an era of corruption in high places follows, the money powers of the country will endeavor to prolong it's reign by working upon the prejudices of the people until all wealth is aggregated in a few hands and the Republic is destroyed." – Abraham Lincoln
Priceless.
NOT because Liberals are insulted by work when there is taxpayer money to be had.
I heard something the other day about the job report and how it gets revised further down the road because some states don't send their report on time. Not that I'm a conspiracy theory sorta person, but can't a republican majority state delay their report to reflect a bad month since most people pay attention to when the report first comes out, and not so much the revised edition.
nothin is past the GOP. they have been tryin to delay people votin for a long long long time....except if your a registered republican.
Wow...I can feel the I.Q. points drop with every post.
Sounds like a personal problem! LOL! Better stop posting soon or you won't be able to put on your Velcro shoes!
just have to....your right scotties...your IQ is showing with each post....oh my ribs...........read what ya type.......oh my ribs..........keep that feeling scotties....it's all yours....oh my ribs.......
you beat me to it xxx ooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! oh my ribs........
Gotta be quick! When I see a straight line...ZOOM!
I've never heard of someone dying of embarrassment, but there's always a first time!
Stop posting, then.
Guess what's dropping? HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!
While CNN and MSNBC both saw their ratings grow in 2011, Fox News saw their ratings drop by 3% for the second straight year.
http://www.politicususa.com/fox-news-ratings-drop-2012.html
well well well, clevage must not be all there is to news............
oops.....cleavage.....blonds either............
Its okay as long as their balanced! Their never alone they always have a couple of boobs on!
all right....thumbs up xxx ooo!
http://www.aei-ideas.org/2012/07/june-jobs-swoon-americas-labor-market-depression-continues/
Some REAL jobs information that MSNBC fails to report.
Your wrong they don't fail, they don't use right wing spin as news..
Do people really think that President Obama could turn this whole mess around the minute he took office. He has worked toward a full recovery since being elected and no matter who would have been elected in 2008 they couldnt have turned it around any faster. We need to keep President Obama in office so he can move us forward toward a full recovery. If Mitt Romney is elected life as we know it will change forever if you dont have a job you probably wont get one and if you have one you will probably lose it especially if you are a veteran, a firefighter, a policeman or a teacher. We are working hard down here in Florida to make sure that President Obama gets reelected.
How true!
Sandra;
Scottie thinks this whole mess is President Obama's fault. Hopefully Scottie isn't old enough to vote or he will get caught up in the voter suppression bills all the Republican Governors are passing. He sounds like lots of people I know here in Kansas.
Romney 2012: If Satan isn't enough to scare the crap out of you.
Romney 2012: Bully against Americans
Voter suppression = being a felon or illegal and not having enough concern for your rights as a citizen to carry an ID to avoid voter fraud... It's amazing the things that come from the mouths of liberals.