Today's edition of quick hits:
* The Fed fiddles while the economy struggles: "The Federal Reserve's policy-making committee took no new steps to support the economy at a meeting that ended Wednesday.... The Fed said that the pace of economic growth had slowed over the summer, and said that it expected the unemployment rate to fall 'only slowly.'"
* It didn't take long for President Obama to pounce on the new independent analysis of Mitt Romney's proposed middle-class tax hike.
* Quick action from the 9th Circuit on Arizona's pending anti-abortion efforts: "A law in Arizona that the ACLU is calling 'the most extreme and dangerous of abortion bans' was blocked from taking effect on Thursday after an emergency appeals request."
* Natural disaster: "Just over half of the counties in the U.S. are now labeled "natural disaster areas" after the U.S. Department of Agriculture on Wednesday added 218 counties in 12 states to the list."
* Rep. Laura Richardson (D-Calif.) received a very sharp rebuke from the House Ethics Committee today after she was found to have used Hill staffers to perform campaign work.
* USPS default: "The U.S. Postal Service defaults on a major bill today, the first time in the agency's history, and Congress isn't poised to do anything about postal reform before the August recess."
* The ninth resignation in the 112th Congress: "Rep. Geoff Davis (R-Ky.) is retiring from Congress immediately, he announced Tuesday. Davis had previously announced that he would not run for reelection."
* I wonder what the economy would be like right now if GOP lawmakers cared about jobs as much as abortion: "Sen. Mike Lee (R-Utah) filed an amendment to pending cybersecurity legislation that would outlaw some abortions in the District of Columbia."
* Paul Krugman took a closer look and concludes Ed DeMarco's stonewalling on mortgage relief is "even more outrageous" than first believed.
* And Rep. Steve King (R-Iowa) is the latest House Republican to go "birther," suggesting the president's parents may have used a "telegram from Kenya" to get his birth announcement in Hawaiian newspapers in 1961. He wasn't kidding.
Anything to add? Consider this an open thread.





Okay, I admit it. It was me. I implanted the false story that Barack was born in the U.S. to the two papers in 1961 Honolulu in 2004 Using Only the Power of My Mind. I know I shouldn't use my time-altering telepathic powers, but gosh darn it, I just couldn't help myself. That keynote address of his at the 2004 convention was just so inspiring, I just had to do it.
I find it interesting there was no posting today on Chick-fil-A. I never condone disrespect of individuals and from my experience, neither does Chick-fil-A or it's operating philosophy.
I also find it interesting that Rahm Emanuel support for President someone who did not reflect his or Chicago's values. Mr. Cathy's remarks are politically in line with President Obama's position when he ran for President and I did not see the outrage that is now being shown. Why is that?
Christians (and many other religions) see marriage infidelity as against the Bible's teaching, this does not mean Christians HATE those who violate this teaching or believe otherwise.
I saw where one Chick-fil-A was donating food to a Gay and Lesbian function and the owner said he and others tried to always treat people with respect and dignity. You can do that even if you both have different beliefs.
Time for everyone to practice what they preach.
Oh look, it's Mr. False Equivalence again, what a treat. Gee, FE, we didn't see you on the earlier Chick-fullofit thread. Did you read that? There was plenty of damning information about Chick-fullofit. Now that you have mentioned the issue, I wonder if Guywhoozis (who got his a*s handed to him) will show up on this thread. Is Guywhoozis one of your sock puppets, Mr. FE?
RobDon,
I am sure that all the controversy stirred Chik-fil-a to "do the right thing" for a while, but will it continue? I sincerely doubt it. Will Cathy keep donating to his "causes"? Yep, but this time he'll be more quiet about it.
And for that matter, given all they are doing today to increase their sales volume, will it continue? They may get a tremendous influx of sales for this week, but there are people like me who used to eat at Chik-fil-a twice a week before this who will never be going back. How many of those people who are "supporting" Chik-fil-a today will continue to go there on a regular basis or will consistently choose Chik-fil-a over other restaurants? My guess is that there will many more like me who will find other places to eat.
Let's wait a year and see if 1) Chik-fil-a maintains its "gay-friendly" stance, 2) if Cathy is still supporting anti-gay causes, and 3) if Chik-fil-a's sales increase or decrease.
Once...,
I think there is little or no doubt that Militant Reactionary Christians will flock to Chick-fullofit at least temporarily. Kirk Cameron may be stuffing his face at one even as I type! Neither that nor any obvious public relations stunts can justify Cathy, though.
Ah, once again, RobDon proves that "RobDon" is a synonym for "Brainless Idiot."
The good news is that now that Southern Fried heart Attack On A Bun is Official Wingnut Chow, they'll all get fatter than that fatheads Huckleberry was interviewing on Faux Snooze, and since they don't like health care they'll get nothing done for the negative results of their dietary choices, and will then become "good" Republicans, busy pushing up daisies to beautify the world with their (lack of) presence.
TC...,
Be fair now...he does have a brain. The problem is the uses to which he puts it.
Let's see...my comment:
1. Candidate Obama is for traditional marriage - no outrage, protest, or question of his values and the Left believes he is the best to run the country.
2. The owner of a chicken sandwich chain expresses his support for traditional marriage and the Left thinks he is morally bankrupt and not fit to run a restaurant.
3. Most comments here Robdon is a idiot. Hmmm, seems I know the ones who are "brainless."
As to the "plenty of damning information" about Chick-fil-A, the comments from officials and the outrage from the public were based on Cathy's comments, nothing else.
oncearepublican, thanks for the post. I do agree that "time" will be the most telling factor in this equation.
And to those who say I always "cry" that "the other side is doing it" take a look at these neutral (or Left leaning sources):
Quotes from Louis Farrakhan from the Anti-Defamation League on homosexuality.
Story of Rahm Emanuel accepting Farrakhan values as "Chicago values" because he's meeting and working with Farrakhan while shunning Cathy and Chick-fil-A. (He resisted Chick-fil-A's efforts because they did not share "Chicago values" so he must embrace Farrakhan's because there was no condemnation.)
Now, justify this.
"As to the "plenty of damning information" about Chick-fil-A, the comments from officials and the outrage from the public were based on Cathy's comments, nothing else."
Liar. But what else could we expect from Mr. False Equivalence.
Entropy, again just name calling (i.e. "Liar") without any support. I provide links to information and you make accusations.
To your point, why did these officials not speak up sooner? Why were their attacks timed immediately after Cathy's remarks? Why weren't they protesting Chick-fil-A's views before the comments? Where were reference to this "damning information" in their initial comments? Care to provide any support to your accusations?
Why yes, I could, but trying to deal with a weasel like you is a waste of time. Anyone who has read the earlier thread knows what was discussed there. You have a long, ignoble history at this site, and while you may fool some of the more gullible good wittle wibewals, I'm sure most people know that you are a resolutely dishonest phoney, despite your lame efforts to seem "reasonable". You are a perfect example of the way this site coddles right wing trolls, no matter how much you play the victim.
Entrophy, I can assure you I am no victim. Name calling does not bother me a bit, it only serves to point out your lack of factual support and intellectual argument. I'm more than willing to let my comments, sources, and conclusions speak for me.
I can be wrong and have admitted it in the past but generally I try to double check anything here before I post. If you want to dismiss the facts, go ahead. If your way to deal with those with whom you disagree is to label them as "bad" then you are no different from those who have since backed off their initial comments, except you are standing your shaky ground.
If you would like to address my comments in a cogent fact-based way, I'm willing to listen.
I will not jump through hoops just because you want me to (a favorite internet tactic of those on the right). You are notorious on this site, and deservedly so. I'm not about to forget that those on the right not only have access to right-wing blogs and similar sites, they also have ridiculously easy access to non-conservative sites. On the other hand, non-conservatives are in effect restricted to "liberal" blogs and similar sites. That is an obvious double standard. So, I'm not at all impressed when the likes of you, The Blank, Guywhoozis, the Irish Troll, and many others come here spouting a lot of hogwash and then get all petulant when they are called on it and given the treatment they deserve. I will not waste my time giving you "cogent" arguments/what-have-you because as far as I am concerned you do not merit that consideration.
I'm not saying I deserve the "consideration." The facts deserve the "consideration." If you can't see that Rahm Emanuel supported someone for President that at the time had the same political position as Cathy, you aren't looking at the information. He was silent then and now very vocal (as well as others). Sorry for your lack of insight.
I am not impressed by your petulance any more than I am by your continual attempts at false equivalence.
Hmmm, seems like misplaced arrogance if you think I am trying to impress you. I'm just stating fact. How much or little you are impressed is none of my concern.
Oh look, Mr. False Equivalence is talking about "facts"...isn't that cute!
Oh look, EntropyRules once again resorts to name calling and dismissive tactics unable to address the facts.
Don't go to the "Headline of the day: special poultry edition" thread, Mr. False Equivalence. You might swoon from the horror of it all. Gee, maybe Guywhozis will show up. What about it, Mr. FE, which one will you be?
Oh Lord, here we go again… RobDon, do you think you can find where candidate Obama donated to Focus on the Family or Exodus?
When someone makes comments like "traditional family unit", that perks up peoples' ears to see what they DO. Actions. Believe, believe, believe, but many believe and perform religious same gender marriages, whether legal or not. It sure would be nice if people would stop trying to control others and prevent equal protection of the laws.
The argument about speech is really what "the right" wants to argue, but we have no interest in "speech", except perhaps countering with our own free speech. The arguments now are also limited to what they want to talk about, but everyone else is out of bounds if they scratch below the glossy surface of religious speech.
We find more compelling the activity that leads people to care about/vote to limit rights based on their own religion (which is not unanimous in Christian religion, let alone Judaism, Buddhism, etc. etc.)
The desire to inflame the Christian passion to defend Jesus (?) in the form of people wishing to limit constitutional rights and the byproduct induces some very negative treatment of "your neighbors". It's a double whammy. Jesus' teachings and Constitution both tossed aside to pronounce a limit and slam the door in the face of your neighbors.
I've already tired of this flimsy "religious beliefs attacked" call to action. Chic fil a owner still has his beliefs and I am still waiting to count all the dollars he sends to the anti gay marriage ballot initiatives. I certainly won't buy his stuff so he can give it to Focus on the Family or NOM to fight marriage equality. Yes, the Bible the Bible, I've read it. I can find passages to refute marriage was always "one man-one woman" It is not what our laws are based in. Our laws are based in liberty and justice for all. So limiting the right (marriage was already determined to be a right by Supreme Court) to marry is not free or just.
Sandy, my point was that these politicians who immediately spoke out did not make the case based on Cathy's contribution to various groups but solely on his stated position. I welcome any evidence that they were tying their remarks to his financial contributions to any group if you have them.
They were attacking the Chick-fil-A and encouraging governmental action against the organization based solely on the owner's personal, religious, and political views. If you can support something different, please post.
We know what it means when a person says I'm for traditional marriage. "Traditional family unit" means I delegitimize and do not recognize THOSE OTHER families and I will oppose them. Those people know what it means, we all know what it means, except those saying it.
I know the reaction would then be Obama said that, but he qualified with I am for civil unions. He did not donate to block marriage equality,
Those insisting upon confining this to speech is also trying to control my speech.
If you are telling me I can only respond within your defined parameters, You are going to need to define ATTACKing Chic fila I guess, because I don't see any ATTACK. I see attack as having people repeatedly told you are choosing to sin, you are not worthy of marriage, if you get beaten, perhaps you were at fault. Hate is propogated when people say their innocent beliefs, just a little nicer than God Hates F@65.
The words against Chic fila were a not attacking, it is a ploy to say my religion is violated. It seems like exposing something is not allowed. I would like to know who is fighting against me and there are people actively working to keep rights from me, attempting to say my rights are violated.
And Pontius Pilate washed his hands.
Excellent and (obvious) relevant point. Sandy, thank you for your thoughtful comment. So often here this type of dialog is seen as not beneficial and a waste of time.
I was using "attack" in the sense that government officials in their elected roles seemed to be saying they were doing to hinder a private business who had broken no laws but solely on the beliefs of the owner/CEO.
Your other points are valid as well. I've learned a lot about the political and personal GLBT perspective here. I would only note that many of those against gay marriage do not see gays as less valuable but I also realize we do not get to determine how you or others interpret our words and actions.
Thanks again.
I still don't see it as an attack. And I don't think it is because of his beliefs, it is because of his actions.
I think the pubic has a right to veto a business plan. Town meetings and public notification is how it works. I want to know if a business is working against me, this was brought to light. This is speech.
I can go further and notify others about the list of donors to Prop 8. I can say this business has donated to Yes on 8. Anyone can go to Secretary of State website in CA (or your state?) and it does not ATTACK, it exposes.
http://cal-access.ss.ca.gov/Campaign/Measures/Detail.aspx?id=1302602&session=2007
I encourage folks to look for some repeated surnames and employer that gave lots of money to Yes on 8. It's not hard to find businesses owned by them.
There is the attempt to steer the legal debate away from religion, then at the same time claim victimhood of religious persecution.
This fight against marriage equality is based in religious ideology, which is at odds with other religious ideology and Constitution. So we have to keep facing off and stirring up animosity. This is why we should not vote to limit peoples' rights. AND we have to ask who is really being harmed based on the Constitution.
Our laws have to be equal protection, if not we have no real freedom. Churches are not required to perform marriages, but if many choose to discriminate, their membership will likely go down.
People still have racial and other bigotry, even flaunt it. I can't change make them change their beliefs. But I can debate them with mine. But some want to say I don't believe in that, so I will make sure my beliefs take away your rights (that IS what happened in CA).
We were told the law is passed, you may go legally get married. I did marry my partner of 21 years. Then NOM got it put on the ballot to take that away from people. Why are their beliefs superior to mine so that you can vote against my rights?
Legislators we elected in CA passed the law and Utah, Texas, NY (Gallager of NOM is/was a New Yorker), LDS, Catholic Diocese and Bishops etc. worked in CA to stop it.
As I view it, people from all over the country came in to make sure CA voters jerked that marriage certificate from our hands, and SO MANY others. This smacks of bullying to me. It's happening again and again.
Elected officials are usually put there and supposed to abide by constituents' wishes. I can say that any public objection to any business (or even a neighbor that wants to put in a two story addition) would be heard (public hearing) by those handing out permits and it needs to be exposed, not hidden.
I would definitely voice my opinion if Chic fila were to ask for a permit in my town. People should be made aware that a portion of that money will go to fighting against what is becoming more accepted marriage equality.
People don't think they are doing anything that would lead to that consequence, but they are heard by people that think it's OK to not just vote to block equality for real people, but ridicule, yell at and physically attack fellow citizens and humans.
The condensed version is that the Constitution determines laws and laws are made by elected legislators. Courts are supposed to ensure constitutionality. The voters trying to limit rights to only certain people (based on religious beliefs or racial beliefs) is inconsistent with freedom for ALL.
I believe these ballot measures are just causing more turmoil. To me equality of marriage laws does not violate someone's religious freedom.
Sandy, while I understand most of your points, the government can not begin to discriminate against a specific business because of the beliefs of its owner. Governments can definitely set building codes (that apply to all), zoning regulations (which apply to all) and even regulate specific TYPES of business, but they can't say we let in all restaurants except yours because we don't agree with the owners political or religious views.
I can't find any actions taken by government against Chic fila, so that is my point.
I heard that an Alderman Moreno say he would do something because he knows his constituents might want to allow that to happen. I just don't see it RobDon.
Sandy, I think you are right, no action was taken. But, several stated actions they would or should be taken. Most quickly backed down once they got opposition from more sane voices in their party.
The alderman wrote: Because of this man's ignorance, I will now be denying Chick-fil-A's permit to open a restaurant in the 1st Ward.
Here you had a government official stating he intended to deny a legal business the ability to operate in his district simply because he disagreed with his politics and beliefs, not because the business was bad, illegal, harmful, etc. Scary to me.
Then you had the council woman from New York in her official capacity as Speaker of the NYC Council urging a New York University to kick out Chick-fil-A, again solely because she disagreed with the owners views. Despite this letter being written on council letterhead and her directly evoking her position as Speaker, she later said she meant this personally, as a private citizen, not as a government official.
When you have people in government leadership who's knee jerk response is to use their government position to harm and/or hinder people with whom they disagree, that is both unconstitutional and scary. I don't care which side of the political issue you are on.
The councilwoman is making a request to remove a business that is not keeping with the NY laws of diversity. This is a public university and when people are acting contrary to laws, there might be a reason to investigate and this somehow is attacking? It is still speech and exposure of what this business is donating. I think the businessman made a big mistake and I do not think the government officials are trampling on his rights for speech or religious freedom.
I think this is now an old story and grasping at something and there's really no grounds for a lawsuit or anything I can tell. But if so, then let the suing begin? Or are we just trying to stoke up some political talking points and profit?
I think I am done and have lost interest in this. Shrug.
What kind of sick thinking do these Republicans have, when they compare a woman’s health care to religious freedom? When a woman’s health care has nothing to do with a person’s religious freedom. These Republicans act like it is a sin for a woman to have health care. These republicans have no clue to what it is to be a Christian and what Jesus stood for. If anything these Republicans are what is the dark side or evil of this world the way they talk.
Has birther ask themselves why on earth would Obama's parents want to go to colonial Kenya in the first place? Do they have any idea how an inter-racial couple would have been treated in colonial Kenya? Really? Their whole reason for moving to Hawaii in the first place is that Hawaii even in the early 1960s was tolerant of inter-racial couples. That fact alone should totally dismiss this birther crap.
I wanted to like Obama. I hoped he would be all he promised, but even hope has limits. Hope won't feed your family and hope don't pay the bills. Hope won't keep a roof over your head, but Obama acts like his base has an endless supply of something that will. Today I'm disillusioned and cynical. I feel like I'm reading a requiem for a lost dream.
We've waited almost 4 years for Obama to prove he really is the man we thought we elected, -the recipient of a Nobel Peace Prize who would set things right. Well, I'll give Obama another 3 months to convince me his promises were genuine and my support was not betrayed by a poser. Frankly I don't expect much, but I've waited this long, I might as well give him the rest of the rope. That's 100 days.
Sigh... grab yourself a drink and find a comfortable armchair. I've got 4 years worth of points and gripes to cover. I hope it will prove worth the read. The most important thing is to get at least a couple of readers here to recognize and actually discuss some of the points I cover. I wouldn't say it if I didn't think this story has legs. Still, if what I allege is true, there's no clear answer for what to do about it.
As a Democrat, I look at the future and see Obama running for re-election. Regarding the president’s re-election campaign, I’m not excited; nor am I particularly happy. Sometimes I wonder what happened to the man who promised Democrats he would make sweeping changes to address problems and steer America in a new direction away from the failed policies of the past.
I look at America and see Guantanamo still open. I see America involved in more wars than president Bush started. I remember a candidate who promised to close Guantanamo and end the wars. I see vacant buildings and storefronts on the Main Streets of America and remember that conservative economic policies and lax regulation of our banking and investment sectors helped contribute to the economic downfall of 2008.
I remember strident conservative arguments that tax cuts for the wealthy create jobs for Americans. Over the 8 years of Bush’s presidency, those "tax-cut jobs" never materialized and millions of good-paying US manufacturing jobs were lost as Wall Street invested it‘s wealth in cheap foreign manufacturing. I think about Obama and I wonder why he has allowed the Bush tax cuts to remain in effect.
In hindsight, I realize that Obama has not pursued the promises he made to progressive democrats with any discernable degree of enthusiasm, and I wonder why that is.
I look at the world and see wide-spread social and political unrest spreading across many states of the mid east. This unrest has spawned conflict that President Obama has openly encouraged and in some cases directly supported with funding and military operations. Obama took advantage of America’s desire to end it’s involvement in the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, but has effectively doubled the number of wars we are involved in. The governments of several mid east countries, including Egypt, Tunisia, and Libya have collapsed and been replaced, while Obama continues to act against the governments of Syria and Iran.
Obama claims his decision to use direct military force in Libya was intended to protect civilians. That tired old argument helped get us into the Vietnam War. You would think if Obama was going to lie, he could be more creative than that. Obviously he couldn’t re-use Bush’s dishonest claim about WMD (in Iraq), since Libya agreed to give those up a decade ago.
Regarding those “civilians” Obama spoke of protecting, I remember TV video footage from Libya of men driving pickup trucks with giant machine guns mounted in the back. I remember seeing men brandishing AK-47s and RPGs. Such men would have been deemed battlefield combatants and mercenaries if they were fighting us in Iraq and Afghanistan, but since they were fighting Gadhafi in Libya, they are "civilians". This is intellectually dishonest. It angers me to think President Obama believes the public can be fooled and manipulated so easily.
Americans have no idea how much involvement the CIA may have had in these countries, -although the developments seem unlikely to have come about by pure coincidence, and more likely to be the result of careful planning and coordination. Like Iraq, none of these countries have attacked us. Remember when Bush said "Saddam must go, -he must leave Iraq"? Obama said the same thing about Gadhafi in Libya. It was a Freudian slip. Now he’s saying the same thing about Assad in Syria. It’s unbelievable. Does he think we are blind, or just stupid?
Regarding Libya, Obama has argued that the war powers act does not apply to him because we were not involved in “hostilities” as the legal term was intended to be used. The bottom line is Obama involved the US military in operations that were killing people in a foreign country that did not attack us, and he did so without the constitutional approval of Congress. In addition to this, Obama presides over a CIA drone program that targets and bombs groups deemed unfriendly in Pakistan and Yemen. Each of these individual acts tie together like a row of dominos leading ultimately to military action against Iran. Taken together, this strategic agenda seems to follow Dick Cheney’s plan for the mid east more closely than it reflects the will of the democratic base that elected Obama.
Is this what his Nobel Peace Prize was for? -War and mass murder for OIL and for Israel? I'm sure of one thing: We didn't vote for this.
Again, WE DIDN'T VOTE FOR THIS.
Many progressives have asked themselves where the change went. This man who rode a popular wave of change to the White House has applied that mantra of change almost entirely to Arab countries in the middle east, while little to nothing substantial has happened at home. Obama promised he would force a resolution of the conflict between Israel and the Palestinians, but after 2 years he has not even gotten Israel to honor the obligations of it’s previous peace agreements.
In particular, the Road Map Agreement signed under GW Bush requires Israel to STOP ALL Settlement construction activity. This was Israel’s obligation under Phase 1 of the Road Map. Phase 2 would commence direct negotiations between the two parties for core issues and final status.
Obama’s insistence that the Palestinians go to direct negotiations with Israel without a complete stop of Settlement construction CONTRAVENES the Road Map Agreement that he pledged to honor and uphold when he was sworn into office. Worse, Obama used his veto in the UN Security Council to protect Israel’s Settlement construction from a resolution that might have stopped it so that legitimate peace negotiations could proceed as per Road Map stipulations.
Lastly, Obama has used the US leadership position in the Quartet to cripple it and prevent advancement of the agenda for peace it was formed to pursue.
More evidence that Obama isn’t a democrat: He said he would end the war in Iraq. He didn’t, although he had 2 years to do so. Finally the government of Iraq threw us out when the "Status of forces" agreement expired, -and now Obama wants to claim credit for ending the war. He didn’t end that war, it literally expired. Guantanamo is still open. Obama promised to close it. We all know that Obama promised to end the Bush tax cuts, but they are still in effect almost 4 years after Obama took office on a promise to end those tax cuts.
Obama also slow-walked DADT (don’t ask, don’t tell) for more than 2 years. He appealed a court verdict on a civil case brought by the Log Cabin Republicans that over-turned DADT as unconstitutional, warning of "significant and immediate harms on the government" if enforcement of DADT were ended.
And Obamacare you say? What about the health care reform legislation? Obama removed the public option from that bill. The rest is a recycled Republican plan originally proposed by a group of 20 republicans, including Orrin Hatch, Charles Grassley, Robert Bennett, and Christopher Bond.
More than anything else, political arguments related to Obamacare have been used as a distraction to divert our attention from what Obama is doing in the mid east, his failure to close Guantanamo, and his failure to investigate allegations that POWs and war detainees were tortured.
Obama seems to operate on the premise that Democrats have no choice but to re-elect him because the other guys, -the Republicans, are worse. Well... I've got to tell you I’m NOT ready to re-elect Obama without a careful analysis of what he promised to do and what he has actually accomplished for the party that sent him. From my perspective, that analysis does not produce a favorable result.
We voted for a man who would end the wars, close Guantanamo, investigate allegations of torture, repair the economy, create jobs, reign in the un-regulated and immoral behavior of Wall Street, protect the middle class from job losses and mortgage foreclosures, and adjust our income tax system to better address the incomes of the wealthy that completely outstrip the current tax table brackets.
We got none of that.
After generously bailing out the banks, Goldman Sachs and Wall Street, and big corporations including General Motors and AIG, -and after extending the Bush tax cuts for the wealthy, Obama has done almost nothing for working class Americans who can’t find jobs and are losing their homes to foreclosure. In fact, if you look at the net results of the first 2 years of Obama’s administration, what you actually see looks a whole lot like George W. Bush’s third term.
Let's be honest: We need an aggressive leader in the White House for the political war that is consuming this nation. We need someone who knows how to take the fight to the opposition, -someone who is willing to fight fire with fire. We DO NOT need a Compromiser in Chief, and frankly we are SICK of Obama's polite exasperation when it comes to the tactics of conservatives who oppose our interests.
Instead of leading, Obama has consistently offered to compromise by taking the middle ground. Unfortunately, the political "middle ground" is utterly worthless as a descriptive term because conservatives have taken the middle ground and moved it several miles to the right. The middle ground is no longer in the center of the political spectrum. Obama has done nothing to take that middle ground and move it back to the place it used to be. Thus when he compromises, they move the middle further to the right, he compromises again, they move it again.
When that happens, we lose.
Aside from that, the lack of presidential words of leadership from Obama on issues like the right wing attacks against Acorn, Planned Parenthood, women's reproductive rights, worker's rights, public radio, union rights and collective bargaining, and new voter-ID laws that oppress or prevent hundreds of thousands of legitimate minority votes -are unforgivable. Obama has sat quietly as Republican governors in several states attempted to destroy some of the most prominent political organizing arms of progressive democrats.
Are you up for a sports analogy?
Regarding the economy, employment, banks, and Wall Street, Obama has operated like the ineffective coach of an arrogant football team that does not like him or his policies. This football team has become accustomed to making their own rules and serving their own corrupt interests, including fixing and betting on games for profit. They have no intention of allowing the coach to end their little party. To be rid of the coach and his progressive policies, -once and for all, -the team has chosen to intentionally lose until the coach gets fired.
Think about that for a moment. What can the coach do? How far is he willing to go to assert the authority of his office and regain control of the situation?
In order to overcome this situation and be effective, the coach needs to walk out onto the field and shoot a couple of those players. Right there, under the lights, in front of the crowd. An example needs to be made of real consequences for disrespect of the coach and his position of authority. Otherwise, these “football players“, who are over-paid, arrogant, self-centered, and in many cases corrupt, -will forget that they play to defend their home field, their school, and the honor of the men who came before them, -and they will continue to place greed and personal profit ahead of fidelity and patriotism.
In my example above the football team is a metaphor for Wall Street and the corporate establishment. I’m sure some would ask me just how this “football team” has chosen to lose. Easy answer. Failing to produce American jobs while allowing more and more American worker's homes to fall into foreclosure puts pressure on the middle class, who the "team" hopes will ultimately fire the coach. That's Obama. These groups, including the US Chamber Of Commerce and dozens of corporate-funded PACs, have gone out of their way and spent millions of dollars to destroy Obama and the reforms that a majority of American voters supported.
WE CANNOT ALLOW THAT.
For all of this, Barak Obama, the man we elected to LEAD us, has sat quietly, never raising his voice, never shouting, never using visual aids, charts, or graphs, never pounding the podium, never behaving as an angry leader. Working class Americans are angry. Many are calling for blood to run in the streets. And Obama? You’d think he was up there getting a political enema. So why isn’t he as angry as the democrats who sent him? Is he secretly working for the other side? Was he sent to betray us and gently compromise away all of our hopes and dreams? At this point, that’s almost the only thing that makes sense out of what he has done.
It seems to me that Obama’s real agenda for the 2008 election was to eliminate Hillary Clinton in the primary, get elected by hitting the "demographic sweet-spot" as a black democrat who was opposed to the wars, then accomplish little to nothing for democrats, compromise at every opportunity with Republicans, complete Dick Cheney's unfinished agenda of regime change for every Arab state in the mid east, prevent any investigation of torture of POWs and war detainees, and basically run out the clock on all the hopes and dreams of Democrats and working class citizens who voted for him.
He is either an ineffective leader who should resign, or he is a poser, -an imposter, a fake copy of Martin Luther King who betrayed his own party by secretly working for republican interests to advance a conservative agenda. He is systematically destroying the democratic party from the inside. If he won't resign, he should be impeached by his own party. At least then we would get to see republicans who claim to despise Obama vote to keep him in office.
The sad thing is republicans win if Obama gets reelected, and they win if he isn't reelected. Right now they are getting practically everything they could have asked for from a third term of the Bush administration. The Bush tax cuts are still in effect. Guantanamo is still open. Allegations of torture were never investigated. The war in Iraq ran it's full term. Worse, Obama just signed an agreement committing the USA to roughly 12 more years in Afghanistan.
Finally, Obama has done MORE to protect Israel's illegal Settlement construction than George Bush ever did. Bush insisted in the Road Map agreement that Israel MUST stop all Settlement construction before negotiations begin for final status and core issues. Israel never honored that obligation. Obama has called on the Palestinians to renew negotiations even though Israel has refused to stop Settlement construction. That contravenes the Road Map agreement.
Obama was supposed to enforce the Road Map agreement. Instead, he has used his veto in the UN Security Council to protect illegal Settlement construction from a resolution that might have stopped it so that legitimate negotiations could proceed as per Road Map stipulations. This is an outrage for progressive democrats, but if you're a republican, what's not to like?
Does anyone wonder why Donald Trump trots out the birther story whenever Obama's poll numbers show support from his base is low? This is how Obama manipulates his base to shore up support from a group whose interests he has largely dismissed and betrayed. Can't let those lying birthers win, suckah.
The same goes for a complete lack of republican campaign advertisements calling out Obama for failing to uphold his campaign promise to end US involvement in foreign conflicts. The evidence is on video tape. Obama was very clear as a candidate. He said he would bring change, -that he would end US involvement in wars and foreign conflicts. He even won a Nobel Peace Prize for this promise. We assumed that meant in his first 100 days. Failing that, then surely in his first 2 years, right? Well, here we are 4 years later, with secret wars in Pakistan, Yemen, and Syria. Obama also ordered direct US military involvement in Libya to topple Gadaffi, and he just signed an agreement to keep US forces in Afghanistan for another 12 years.
Worst of all, Obama has demonstrated a desire to support regime change in Iran. This includes an implicit threat (“all options are on the table”) to attack Iran over the issue of Uranium enrichment. So what happened to ending US involvement in foreign conflicts? Republicans have a giant opportunity to rub this lie in his face, but they have passed. Ask yourself why they would do that. The answer is they don’t want to draw attention to Obama’s ongoing work to complete Bush and Cheney’s unfinished agenda of regime change for every Arab state in the mid east.
Instead we get political theatre on Obamacare, class warfare, and tax cuts for the wealthy. It’s like the establishment is saying ~“Hey, no, no, don’t look at that, -look over here: Let’s argue about health care and taxes! Let’s question Obama’s citizenship and investigate his fake birth certificate!” Folks, we are being played for suckers.
Allow me to tell you what keeps me up at night. I wonder if you ever paused to consider the possibility -even the most remote possibility- that some part of what I allege might actually be true?
Let’s evaluate whether it is possible that such a thing could actually happen, -that a “Manchurian candidate” could be foisted on the electorate in the current state of our system of government. For instance, is there anything that prevents one party from running their own people as sleeper candidates on the ticket of another party? No. In fact, recent news reports confirm that republicans have gotten several “double agent” candidates on the ballot as democrats in the recall election of Wisconsin governor Scott Walker, -and there’s no reason to think this is a unique case.
Republicans like to talk about voter fraud to justify their “photo-ID” laws passed recently in many republican-controlled states. They claim these laws will prevent a problem that is pervasive in our political system, -that one voter could pose as another to fraudulently cast more than one vote to help a candidate get elected. Oddly the statistics do not back up their concerns. In Georgia, there has not been a single conviction on a charge of voter fraud in the last 14 years, yet republicans claim this fraud is so significant it could affect the result of our elections.
Let’s analyze that assertion.
According to the 2010 census, Georgia has a population of 9,687,653, -of which approximately 6,907,296 are of voting age. According to the state of Georgia, 5,804,812 of these people are registered to vote. Of those, let’s assume 47 percent actually participate in an election by voting. That percentage would be 2,728,261 voters. Given that number, to affect the total vote count by just one half of a percent, the number of fraudulent votes cast in a single state-wide election would have to be 13,641.
Of course, elections can be lots closer than that. In the 2000 election, after the US Supreme Court stopped the Florida recount, George W. Bush won the state by 537 votes. Still, 537 votes is a mighty big number if you live in a state where there hasn’t been a single conviction of voter fraud in the last 14 years.
Of course, voter ID laws do have an effect on elections. Everyone knows they tend to reduce the number of legitimate ballots cast from demographic groups that are likely to vote democratic like minorities, the poor, and the elderly. This is what the law actually does, but republicans insist it makes elections more secure. On the other hand, it is apparently not a crime for republicans to fraudulently place one of their own operatives on the democratic ballot to pose as a democrat during a primary election.
There was a case in South Carolina in which Alvin Greene, the surprise winner of the democratic primary for senate, refused a request by state party leaders to withdraw from the race after court records were revealed which indicate he was arrested for allegedly showing obscene photos to a college student. More telling, Greene, a 32-year-old unemployed veteran, couldn’t explain where he got the money ($10,400) required to file with the state and qualify himself to be on the ballot.
State democratic party officials said as far as they knew he had done no campaigning, had not attended any local democratic events, had not responded to invitations to local stump meetings, and they had no idea how he won. Greene later told Fox News he had no staffers and ran the campaign entirely on his own.
Questioning from reporters indicated Greene was ill-prepared regarding experience and knowledge of issues. Greene was completely unaware of the biggest political issue of the day, new federal legislation frequently referred to by it’s acronym “TARP“ the Troubled Asset Relief Program, -better known as the Wall Street bail out.
Not coincidentally, Greene’s competition for that senate seat was republican Jim DeMint. Most pundits decided Greene was paid by conservative political agents to run and was elected in the open democratic primary with crossover votes. The consensus was republicans feared some democrats might be swept into office that year on Obama’s “coat-tails”, -particularly in states with large percentages of black constituents likely to vote democratic. South Carolina would be one of these cases, and if a qualified candidate were nominated on the democratic ballot, DeMint could lose his seat. The solution was to eliminate the possibility that a qualified democratic candidate might be nominated by electing a sleeper candidate with crossover votes in the open primary.
So clearly this kind of thing happens with some regularity, even though it should never happen. And it could very well have happened in the democratic primary for the top political office of the United States. Remember that Alvin Greene had no prior political experience. Likewise, Obama’s prior federal experience (2 years in the US Senate) was uncharacteristically short for any legitimate candidate to the office.
Once that primary hurdle was cleared, the rest would be easy. The political winds and public disenchantment with the wars were making it more likely that a republican candidate would lose, so the alternative would win. All that was necessary was to *be* that alternative.
This was already accomplished in the primary, when the following series of events gave Obama a sufficient number of delegates to capture the democratic nomination.
(A) Significant numbers of crossover votes helped Obama win the democratic ballot in open primary states, and
(B) caucus states unexpectedly went for Obama when polls indicated Clinton was leading, and
(C) political sabotage resulted in the primaries of Michigan and Florida being “nullified”, which affected voter turnout as well as ultimately allowing the two states to realize only half their normal number of delegate votes at the democratic convention. This damaged Obama’s rival Hillary Clinton. And
(D) a deluge of unexpected switched votes from super-delegates who switched from Clinton to Obama at the very last minute.
Here’s more background regarding the political sabotage alleged in (C) above:
In August 2006, the Democratic National Committee adopted a proposal by its Rules and Bylaws Committee that only four states - Iowa, New Hampshire, Nevada, and South Carolina - would be permitted to hold primaries or caucuses before Super Tuesday, -February 5, 2008.
In the Spring of 2007, the Florida Legislature (controlled by Republicans in both chambers), passed House Bill 537 which moved the date of the state's Republican and Democratic primaries to January 29, a week before the earliest permitted date of either party. The Florida Democratic Party tried to amend the legislation and make the date February 5; however, the Republican-controlled legislature refused. Thus the Florida republican party, -in control of both the state senate and house, -intentionally moved the date of the Florida primary election so that it was too early to be counted in the democratic primary. They knew that Obama’s competition Hillary Clinton would win Florida, therefore they fixed things so that the Florida vote was nullified.
And what of Michigan? The Michigan Legislature passed a similar bill to move the date of the state's presidential primaries to January 15. Just as in Florida, the move-up bill originated in a Republican-controlled State Senate and passed by a 21-17 straight party-line vote with every Democrat casting a "no" vote. Again, Obama’s competition Hillary Clinton was projected to win the Michigan primary, and in fact she did. This vote was also nullified.
This is solid evidence that republicans wanted Obama to win and engaged in unethical political actions to sabotage his competition in at least two states. In hindsight, we now have a better understanding of why they did this.
So… is there any legal recourse for constituents if a candidate, once elected, breaks practically every promise he made to them, and in fact does in practice the exact opposite of what he promised to do? Well… there’s impeachment, but that would require a majority in the Congress to vote for impeachment, and after trial, a majority comprising at least two thirds of the Senate (67 votes) must vote to convict.
In Congress, republicans have enough seats to block any vote for impeachment, and in the Senate they would not vote for a conviction. There are several reasons for this. The first reason is a universal political truth that if party “A” has a problem that hinders it’s popularity, party “B” is not likely to help party “A” rid itself of that problem. Thus if Obama is hurting the long-term health of the democratic party, republicans are not going to help democrats remove Obama from office. The second reason relies on my personal conviction that Obama is directly aiding republicans in their implementation of a conservative agenda. If Obama is their “man on the inside“, they can’t help democrats throw him out while he remains pivotal to their larger agenda. Maybe after that, but not during.
So impeachment is out as an option. What does that leave? Nothing. Sorry, you’re screwed. -At least until he comes up for reelection. So when that happens… are you then going to swallow his hollow argument that no matter how disappointed and betrayed you may feel, you certainly don’t want those other guys -the republicans- to have the White House? -Are you going to fall for that fear-based argument?
Consider how far to the right the republican party has had to steer itself in order to keep some daylight between themselves and Obama. That alone should tell you something. Obama has become so conservative in practice that republicans have had to redefine themselves with insane positions on the crazy fringe of the right so that voters can differentiate between the two sides. We didn't vote for that.
We didn't vote to waste our biggest chance in years to make the changes Obama talked about when he was a candidate. Sadly, that is what has happened. As a leader, Obama has presided over the biggest disappointment this party has ever seen in terms of what could have been and what actually is. In fact, I'm convinced he is secretly working for republicans to complete the unfinished agenda of the last administration. For example, Obama has done more to topple the governments of Arab states in the region surrounding Israel than he has done to help middle class American families facing foreclosure and loss of their homes. We didn't vote for that either.
Lets get to the bottom of these questions in order to determine if we elected a democrat, or just a lying republican poser who fooled us into throwing away our future. Change? These days that's a bitter word to me, -a cruel joke. It describes more what was done to us than what was done for us.
Obama has intentionally lied to the American public. For me that one thing is unforgivable, regardless of whatever the alternative may be. Don't get me wrong, I'm not against Obama because he's black or because some idiot questioned his nationality. Far from it. I'm against Obama because I think he's red. Obama has kept more of George Bush's campaign promises than he has kept of his own. I didn't vote for that, and I sure as Hell won't vote for it a second time.
To paraphrase an infamous Bushism, fool me once, shame on you. ...We won't get fooled again.
With all due respect, I vote long term.
When people were looking at Bush, Gore & Nader in 2000 and though it doesn't matter, I voted on who I wanted as President when a Supreme Court seat opened up.
Has anyone ever mentioned to you that you have no clue what you're talking about? Which doesn't surprise me since your political "education" in Ukraine would have been "lacking" to give it a favorable view.
And I don't think we need your "I want Mitt Romney to win" disinformation campaign, so why don't you crawl back under your rock like the obedient little pile of dog poop you are?
Anybody who writes something that long should be banned. Seriously, look at that screed, complete with population numbers and all kinds of nonsense and exposing it as clearly a cut-and-paste job which serves mainly to obliterate the real estate of the page and make it hard to find any discussion.
The world needs better wingnut trolls. The current ones simply suck.
Kiev - Comrade - long time no see.
1. It was good of you to correct Buddhism to Bushism - shows that you at least read what you copy and paste.
2. If you are not Bruce Vandiver, you have violated MSNBC's guidelines on copyrighted material.
3. If you are Bruce Vandiver - you are apparently so lazy you just did a retread on a 2011 article, then copied and pasted it here without giving your self credit - which might still be a violation of copyrighted material if AJC holds the copyright and not you personally.
2012 Vandiver article that was copied and pasted from AJC to your post.
http://political-economy.com/obama-2012/?cid=15111
2011 article in AJC that was the source of the 2012 re-tread
http://www.ajc.com/opinion/a-democrat-loses-his-1004346.html
My favorite troll "mikafromcommierussia" started to copy and paste whole posts - with out giving proper credit to the real author - just before he broke. it was sad time for all of us. by any chance do you know my friend "mika"? good comrade - good tovarich - so sad to lose little troll in prime of life - even pitiful miserable troll life that he inhabited.
Taking replies in order:
SkinnyGrunt That's a good criteria for voting in a particular way. However, I've often wondered why it seems we trust the judgement of Supreme Court justices on every issue EXCEPT who their replacement should be. Instead, why not allow the prez to nominate potential candidates and the Senate to confirm them, but have confirmed nominees go into a pool from which a retiring justice would pick their own replacement? This would eliminate most of the bickering over nominees and confirmation hearings, as the candidates would be vetted primarily on their judicial qualifications, and not on their politics, -since they would NOT go directly to the bench but instead to a pool from which retiring justices would pick their replacement. Think of the time saved by eliminating unnecessary political fighting over each nominee. We can assume a conservative justice would pick a conservative nominee from the pool as their replacement, and vice-versa.
TCinLA I conclude from your comment you have not read the entire piece. Much of it was credible enough to warrant an op-ed slot in the print edition of the Atlanta Journal on July 7, 2011. Of course, they do edit for length and content, and that can be brutal. Link: http://www.ajc.com/opinion/a-democrat-loses-his-1004346.html
Regarding your assertion that I want Mitt Romney to win, I don't. I just want Obama to keep the promises he made without exception or excuse. From my piece: "Still, if what I allege is true, there's no clear answer for what to do about it." Nothing there says vote for Mitt. I do value the presidential effect of down-ballot voting. I feel like Obama has let me down, and Mitt would do the same, only faster.
Lastly, what makes you think I live in Ukraine? If my handle was Wizard of OZ would you think I lived there too?
DisgustedWithItAlll I like your avatar icon. An animated version of that GIF would be a riot. Anyways, if you want me banned, I expect you know who to call. Regarding the population numbers, they are valid and current for the state of Georgia, as is the estimated percentage for voter turnout. Further, the material on republican sabotage of the 2008 democratic presidential primary in Florida and Michigan is also accurate. Link for info on Florida case: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Florida_Democratic_primary,_2008
As for my piece making it hard to find any discussion, you may be having your first real discussion on Obama now. Too often the crap here is just peeps twittering mindless agreement with the MSNBC talking points.
Adam_Selene Regarding point 1: The "Buddism" error was introduced by someone else's errant spell checker, which refused to accept "Bushism" as correct. This occurred after my post was submitted as a reply to Mark Biernat's blog article "101 reasons – Obama in 2012 will not be re-elected". Of course, everyone except that spell checker program knows a Bushism is a word or quote mangled by the former president. I don't agree with all of Biernat's points, but my reply seemed appropriate in context. Link: http://political-economy.com/obama-2012/
Regarding point 2: I am.
Regarding point 3: Repetition is a necessity to deliver a point you believe has critical import (IMO) to current events. This is particularly relevant as Obama is ramping up US support RIGHT NOW of militants and mercenaries working to overthrow Assad in Syria. I'm no fan of Assad, nor was I a fan of Gadhafi in Libya. The point is Obama promised to stop this foreign conflict @!$%#. Now we all know he lied. Once he got elected, he did the EXACT OPPOSITE of what he promised to do. There should be a remedy for that, and we should explore it.
And no, I do not know a Mika, but I know Mikhail. I would guess they are not the same, -unless Mika has a birthmark...
And for God's sake, why won't Rachel consider these points and either confirm or disprove them on air, -if she can. Ignorance and dismissal of credible argument is not a strategy for improving journalistic integrity.
Disgusted...,
Yes, Kiev...should absolutely be banned, but the way this site coddles right-wing trolls, that is not likely to happen.
Hey EntropyRules here's an idea: You're a political coward. How does that sound?
Why don't you point specifically to any part of what I said and YOU TELL ME how that makes me right wing.
I'm not right wing, I'm ANGRY LEFT. I'm tired of being lied to and seeing more of Obama's promises to us betrayed every day. There's a reason my initial post was so big. That's what it takes to paint the big picture of our current situation for small minds like yours.
Phoooney! Oh, and I'm not even remotely impressed by the macho posturing. I saw too much of that sort of thing by snotty little boys when I was in the military. By the way folks, isn't Kiev's logorrhea very reminiscent of another troll?
I respect military service. All branches of service teach discipline. Your discipline seems to be missing. Either that or you're lazy and out of practice.
By the way I read your recent background. You have called at least two different posters here trolls without bothering to analyze or refute anything they said. Just a classic knee-jerk reaction calling them a troll and dismissal of any points or comments they made. Bad form. Very sophomoric.
So... do you want to prove your point? Do you wanna stand behind you words when you called me right wing? It shouldn't be very hard for a vet like you. Got the balls to do that? Got the discipline?
Show me. Show the folks. Comon, you're just a few baby steps from a real discussion.
Trolls shouldn't expect to have their spewing "analyzed". What they do doesn't warrant it.
Suit yourself. I guess the folks around here have seen enough to make their own determination as to whos who and whats what. If you insist on calling me a troll without backing it up, I'm good with that.
Regards.
Romeney's new ad about GM and the car salesman is good fodder...against Romney.
Couple of details (besides the larger optics) include the children's drawing labeled by an adult as "my dad sells cars" in obvious adult hand writing.
Better yet, is the video footage of OKC instead of Ohio. (The segment where the train goes by is at 1 E. Sheridan Avenue, OKC, OK.)
USPS default: "The U.S. Postal Service defaults on a major bill today, the first time in the agency's history, and Congress isn't poised to do anything about postal reform before the August recess."
All they had to do was not saddle the USPS with a requirement unlike any other organization has ever been hit with, the pre-fund the next 20 years of their retirement programs NOW. I wonder why the Republicans in Congress decided to do that "fiscally responsible" act? Could it be to get this result and kill the Post Office? Nahh, it's just coincidence. The conservatives like the Post Office, don't they? Don't they?
Well they do love those franking privileges.
Maybe Congress got pissed when it was discovered some years ago they were abusing their PO privileges. Nah. They want all of government to be privatized just like they are. Bought and paid for by big business and big corporations. Anything the teapubs don't like about our government's laws and regulations and agencies they gut it and then claim it doesn't work so we need to get rid of it.
Why do the teapubs hate freedom, democracy and America so much?
Paul,
Interesting you mention the "franking privileges" - don't we as taxpayers pick up the tab on that one? So when they privatize the Postal Service and 1st class letters are $7.50 won't we still be picking up the (much larger) tab?
Given the Mike Kelly rant of today, perhaps this might prove an anodyne.
https://filemanager.capwiz.com/filemanager/file-mgr/reprorights/2_Conscience_and_Contraception_Sign_On_Letter_8_1_12.pdf
It's lawyers arguing why this isn't an issue of religious rights.
I live in the South where even the squirrels are republican. I offer as proof the fact that these squirrels keep falling out of the trees! It would be (and in a perverse way is) amusing if not for the way they land. They do a belly flop with a big THUD. Heck fire it takes me longer to get over it than it does them. While I am still wincing they are back in the tree acting like hyperactive children.