Good news? the rate went up to 8.3% no one will remember how many jobs was created a week from now but they will remember the rate went up to 8.3%

America doesnt base the status of unempyment on how may jobs are created they base the status on the rate and the rate went up

And don't you think it is strange the MSNBC did not tell you about the rate going up because they know if they did it would put a dead stop to their spin

Also,

Along with unemployment going up to 8.3%, this is the 42 consecutive of eight % unemployment - didn't the president promise that unemployment would not rise above eight % if we passed his stimulus and weren't the projections that at this time the unemployment rate would at 5.6% due to the stimulus? Well, at least GM is doing great, the stock price is high, and they have paid back all they owe to the taxpayer...oh wait.

155,000 people also dropped out of the labor force in July, almost equaling the number of jobs created - with CNBC reporting the actual number was closer to 195,000 dropping out.

The real unemployment figure is closer to 15% and if we were still at the workforce participation that Obama inherited that we would be at close to 11%, rather than the 8.3% today. African-American and Hispanic is 14.1% and 10.3% as well.

Does everyone remember June's pathetic job growth? Well, that figure was recently revised from 80,000 down to 64,000.

So, how is this good news?

It went from 8.2 to 8.3, doesn't matter. Why won't the GOP lead congress vote to create jobs instead of voting the job bills down to vote on repealing the ACA and then claim the president's policies are failures? The failure is the congress. The bills in question could have easily added over 3 million jobs and cut taxes on small business by 10% and allow for additional deductions for software and equipment purchases and brought jobs home by eliminating tax loop holes for outsourcing. That would create jobs, right? The GOP doesn't care about small business unless your donating millions to their campaigns.

Well, there are the, I think 15, bills that have been passed by the House that Harry Reid will not bring to a vote in the Senate. That sounds like a failure to me.

But, if you are referring to AJA, the bill chalk full of more spending and regulation (since that has worked so well - see my numbers above). That is getting lukewarm support from even many in his own party.

Obama has not met with his Jobs Council since January, since he is "too busy" - but he has had time for 100 plus fundraisers. Where is the outrage there?

Loose, you are wrong. At least get your right wing talking points right.

GOP claim that House passed 30 jobs bills is bogus:

http://www.sodahead.com/united-states/gops-claim-that-house-passed-30-jobs-bills-bogus/question-2413155/

And the AJA actually would create more jobs than the Republican's so called proposal.

But don't let a little thing like the facts get in the way of your right wing spin and outrage and all.

Those "jobs" bills the house passed are the same type that got us here. Cut taxes on the 1% and deregulate everything. How many jobs did the 33 votes to repeal the ACA create? How about the 43 anti-abortion bills? How about the 118 bills against womens health? NONE. Good job GOP.

I said it was closer to 15.

Larry - then bring it up for a vote, rather than collecting dust on Harry Reid's desk.

I thought the left was against a "do nothing Congress"

Why didn't Republican Pass the American Jobs Act in 2011? Did that not work into their "Our only Goal is to Make Obama a One Term President!"? Why did the Republicans not pass what would have put Teachers and First Responders Back to work? Why did Republicans not pass the Infrastuctre bill? This would have put Americans back to work - so who is to blame for our stagnant job growth? The President presented the plan, but Republicans said NO... If it was such a bad plan than pass it and show the people - you know "put up or shut up". They did not because they were cowards, they know it would have worked and that would have made the President look good. Republicans did not represent "we the people" they represented them the Republican Party and hurt this country that they swore an oath to.

Larry, They went on Summer recess before giving badly needed help to the midwestern farmers stricken with drought.

Are you paying attention Kansas? Iowa? Nebraska? Ohio?

Still gonna go further to the right?

The senate democrats can't even get their own proposals voted on most of the time

Dems brought bill to increase cybersecurity to protect infrastructure from terrorist attack Republicans filibustered

Dems brought bill to ensure equal pay for women GOP filibustered

Dems brought bill to turn tide of outsourcing GOP filibustered

You can bring out any stat you want but you can't come out with one that says the GOP has been as helpful as they could for all the bitching they've done that's part of why Romney is not ahead in this election. People are not impressed with the efforts on jobs by the GOP either.

That also why several senate races up this time have noticeable leads favoring some high profile democrats

TRFjr~~The DOW is up 217 points

The NASDAQ is up 58 points

This is due to a GOOD jobs report!! Get Over It

MSNBC had nothing to do with it.

TRFjr

And don't you think it is strange the MSNBC did not tell you about the rate going up because they know if they did it would put a dead stop to their spin

Not up to your usual lies.

The unemployment rate inched higher, from 8.2% to 8.3%, but as we've discussed many times, the figure can be misleading -- the rate sometimes goes up when more people reenter the job market.

http://ed.msnbc.com/?__utma=14933801.1509087808.1342413103.1344032581.1344038081.96&__utmb=14933801.2.10.1344038081&__utmc=14933801&__utmx=-&__utmz=14933801.1342413103.1.1.utmcsr=(direct)%7Cutmccn=(direct)%7Cutmcmd=(none)&__utmv=14933801.%7C8=Earned%20By=msnbc%7Ccover=1%5E12=Landing%20Content=Mixed=1%5E13=Landing%20Hostname=www.nbcnews.com=1%5E30=Visit%20Type%20to%20Content=Earned%20to%20Mixed=1&__utmk=111179780

TRFjr

And don't you think it is strange the MSNBC did not tell you about the rate going up because they know if they did it would put a dead stop to their spin

Hahahahahahahahaha.....

Not up to your usual lies.

The unemployment rate inched higher, from 8.2% to 8.3%, but as we've discussed many times, the figure can be misleading -- the rate sometimes goes up when more people reenter the job market.

RFLMAO!!!

Epic fail.

Republicans start screaming, "The unemployment rate has risen AGAIN!"...3...2...1

read 2 posts above yours we got a tea bagged republican whiner.

The trolls are all over this thread....

I always wondered if these trolls had jobs. Now we know, they sit in Mom's basement all day, fingers poised over the keyboard, waiting for something relevant to say and it never happens. Keep waiting for the Koch check boys!

Considering how bad a job they do and how obvious their lies are and the fact they don't convince anybody of anything, I find it hard to believe they get paid for this crap.

I know, but it must be the best David and Charles can come up with. I would call it scraping the bottom of the barrel, but they must see them as the cream of the crop.

Cream of the crap.

Maphi...

Are you referring to the time period when George Bush was in office? you mean in 2007 and 2006 when the unemployment rate averaged about 4.5%? You mean during that time prior to the Democrats taking control of the HOR? You mean when the Republicans had control and everything was running so smoothly?

The reason the job growth rate was the same then as it is now is because we were at full employment.

just saying...

You mean Stormguy53 when jobs were being lost by the hundreds of thousands? Yeah those Bush years. Quit cherry picking and get informed.. Don't be a total troll and admit when there is good news....

@storm Re: #3.1

I am including 2005, 2006 and the first part of 2007 (up to when the recession started).

You are correct - the unemployment was around 4.5%.

Your statement,"You mean when the Republicans had control and everything was running so smoothly?", makes no sense. The Bush administration recognized things were not going well. Remember the tax rebates we got? (I bought a new TV and DVR with mine). Those were done to try to help the economy. And we were headed - *smoothly* - toward disaster.

I am not specifically looking at the total number of jobs.

Continuing the crop analysis, there were more plants growing in the fields during that period. The hail storm (Great Recession) destroyed a whole lot of plants. We obviously have not replaced the plants that were lost.

Nobody is happy about the rate of job growth now. Everybody agrees that we need faster job growth to reduce the unemployment rate.

The job growth now is similar to job growth in 2005-2007.

I am suggesting that the things holding job growth now are the same things that held it back before. Taxes are not higher (some of them are lower). Jobs are still being uprooted and taken somewhere else (off-shoring).

Some people suggest we need to have aggressive replanting and fertilizing (short-term stimulus). This is what we have done in the past - that was standard procedure.

Storm - I am interested to know what you think we should do.

So Storm you tired is that the dems were came in in 2007 were able to cause the whole recession by themselves in a few months....'cuz something of that size can be made so quickly

Well I'm sure you'll also the job growth now is stagnant. Your beloved repubs in control so bu your own logic it would mean the GOP house is responsible for the bad job numbers of April, May and June. Are you sure you want to keep that argument.

Ifor1...if jobs were being lost by the hundreds of thousands, why did the unemployment rate stay the same? Sure seems to me that it would have skyrocketed if that was the case.

Maphi - how did that stimulus help the last time we tried it? Oh, that's right, unemployment went up and up and up...as a matter of fact, Obama promised that the rate would not go above 8% if we passed the stimulus. The problem is that the unemployment rate has not gone UNDER 8% since that time. According to Obama's projections, the rate was supposed to be somewhere around 5.6 % at this point in time...far from is.

CC - I have always said that both parties are to blame. I am reasonable enough to agree that there is some carryover from one administration to the next as well as from one session of congress to the next. Normally, I think that is about 6-12 months.

I am very happy with my argument and will be happy to keep it..

just saying..

Then when are you going to start alotting blame where it is do for this house of representatives for all that they are willingly choosing NOT to do?

Deregulation most certainly hastend the demise of this economy so hats off to the senate for not allowing further deregulation with this fictional idea it will move the economy in a positive direction. How about the Senate GOP stop using procedure to block votes on numerous sensible attempts for positive change while not offering any real legislative impute of their own instead of just making speechs. Then the Senate Dems will vote on all the house bills and watch them all be defeated.

The HOR has passed bills which are sitting in the Senate waiting for a vote. When are you going to assess blame for Harry Reid not bringing those bills to the floor for a vote? Why is he obstructing the process? What is he afraid of?

Your opinion and the Democrats opinion of what is reasonable change is different than what mine is and what the Republicans think. That is why our country was founded with checks and balances.

just saying..

You didn't read a word I just said. Obviously not.

The Senate democrats can and should keep not scheduling votes until the Senate Republicans stop filibustering everything the dems propose anad never explain their own plan. They can and will keep blocking bills that will lose when the other side starts not blocking bills with procedure.

The senate dems can't even get votess on their own bills so why should they care about idoit house republican ones that we already know will lose. So if you're so eager to watch your deregulation bills fail then find something else to whine about.

So they should vote down all the bills the house sends them when they can't even vote on their own bills......you're a fool if you think that's going to happen

Not to mention the fact that the house GOP does the very same thing you indict the dems for. The house dems wrote a budget bet you didn't know that because will never be allowed to committee or the floor

Stormranger, we were losing 700,000 jobs a month the last half of 2007. Shall I google it for you?

CC...you obviously did not ready my post in 3.5. BOTH SIDES ARE TO BLAME. They are all acting like a bunch of spoiled children. However, that is the system we have and the only recourse we have is to vote them out or enact legislative changes that will allow for the voted to take place.

However, remember those rules are in place to protect the minority party, not the majority, regardless of which party is in control. The democrats have benefited from them in the past and will again. As have the Republicans.

Term limits are a good start...

just saying...

JIT...

Before you stick your big fat nose into another conversation, at least be sure you know what the topic is so that you do not look any more the fool than you already do. Go back and read 3.0. Maphi specifically refers to the period PRIOR to when the recession started...and again in 3.3 he refers to 2005, 2006 and the early part of 2007.

Addtionally, go back and take a look at the job loss statistics...the losses you mentioned did not begin until early-mid 2008. There was no month in which there were job losses in 2007. Don't believe me...check out the governments own data...http://data.bls.gov/timeseries/CES0000000001?output_view=net_1mth

If you are going to make accusations, at least show some intelligence and have your facts straight instead of spewing more of your leftist lies.

Coincidentally, the HEAVY job losses did not begin until after the Democrats had been in control of the HOR for over a year.

just saying...

My bad...one small mistake...there were two months in 2007 in which there were job losses...July and August for a total of 58,000 jobs. I stand corrected on my previous statement...However, there were no job losses anywhere near the figures that JIT mentioned, so my point stays the same...

just saying..

Hints of Hope Even as Jobless Rate Jumps to 9.4%

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By PETER S. GOODMAN and JACK HEALY

Published: June 5, 2009

The American economy shed 345,000 jobs in May, and the unemployment rate spiked to 9.4 percent, but the losses were far smaller than anticipated, amplifying hopes of recovery.

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Economists described the Labor Department’s monthly jobs report, released Friday, as an unambiguous sign of improvement, yet also clear evidence of broadening national distress, as millions of households grapple with joblessness and lost working hours.

The fact that a report showing the highest unemployment rate in more than a quarter-century was embraced optimistically testified to the stark fears over the economy in recent months.

“The free fall that the job market was in does finally appear to be tapering off,” said Stuart G. Hoffman, chief economist at PNC Financial Services Group in Pittsburgh. “It’s the prelude to an economic and job recovery later this year.”

Although stock markets shrugged off the report, interest rates on government debt surged, hitting their highest levels in six months, as investors bet that inflationary pressure would accompany any recovery.

The Obama administration pointed to the slowdown in job losses as proof that its $787 million package of spending measures was stimulating the economy.

“Today is a sign that we are making progress,” said Christina Romer, a White House economic adviser.

But experts emphasized that the slowing pace of deterioration did not alter the reality that the economy remained very weak.

“These are still terrible numbers,” said Ian Shepherdson, chief United States economist at High Frequency Economics. “We’re a million miles away from a recovery.”

Rather than a sign of renewed vigor, the May jobs report suggests merely the end of panic unleashed last fall, when the investment house Lehman Brothers crumbled, freezing credit through much of the economy.

“That wild disgorging of inventories and workers that we saw in the aftermath of Lehman, what you’re seeing is the reversal of that dynamic,” said Robert Barbera, chief economist at the research and trading firm ITG. “You had companies throughout the world that suddenly had serious concerns about access to capital, and they slashed spending and cut workers well beyond any connection to demand. There’s now a better tone to the data.”

But if primal fear has ended, comfort is nowhere to be found. Home prices appear to have hit bottom in some areas of the country, but construction remains weak. The auto industry and retailing remain in distress. The job market is likely to remain in the doldrums for many months, Mr. Barbera said.

A home foreclosure crisis is growing, thus far unchecked by an Obama administration program aimed at stemming the problem. As more foreclosed properties land on markets, real estate prices are falling further, adding to the losses and uncertainties confronting banks.

“That’s now the most significant threat to the economic recovery,” said Mark Zandi, chief economist at Moody’s Economy.com.

For more than a decade, economic growth and attendant American job opportunities were fueled by swelling wealth and liberal access to credit. As home prices soared, homeowners availed themselves of myriad forms of credit that turned increased real estate values into cash. They sprinkled those funds on an array of industries, generating jobs from auto factories and lumber mills to construction companies and restaurants.

Now, as paychecks disappear and home prices fall, people are increasingly inclined to save — a rough transition in a country in which consumer spending makes up roughly 70 percent of economic activity.

“People are not going to be moving forward based on housing wealth, and they’re not going to be taking on debt,” said Lawrence Mishel, president of the labor-oriented Economic Policy Institute in Washington. “They’ve got to get wage growth.”

Yet wage growth has been stagnating even as gasoline and medical costs rise, putting pressure on household finances. Average hourly wages were 3.1 percent higher last month than they were in May 2008, but the month-to-month increases in April and May were just 0.1 percent, to a seasonally adjusted $18.54, from $18.52, according to the Labor Department. Wages for manufacturing workers fell 0.1 percent.

The jobs report presented a statistical puzzle. After shedding an average of more than 700,000 jobs each month during the first quarter, the economy lost 504,000 jobs in April, according to revised data, and the number was smaller still in May. Yet the unemployment rate leapt from an already high 8.9 percent, reinforcing fears it would reach double digits.

This disconnect owes to the way in which the government collects data. The number of jobs comes from a survey of employers, while the unemployment data is derived from a survey of households. In April and May, the number of people who told surveyors they were actively looking for work increased by more than one million. These people would have previously been considered outside the work force and thus excluded from the unemployment calculation. Now, they are officially back in the hunt, yet struggling to secure work.

Manufacturers cut 156,000 jobs in May, with worse on the way: General Motors announced plans this week to close or idle 14 American plants, imperiling as many as 20,000 workers.

Construction jobs fell by 59,000, though that was a marked improvement from just a month ago, when employment in that industry sank by 108,000 jobs.

Professional and business services shed 51,000 jobs, though that represented a slower pace of losses than in recent months. Health care remained a rare bright spot, adding 23,500 jobs. Restaurants and bars added nearly 9,000 jobs.

The economy has lost six million jobs since the recession began in December 2007, and some economists anticipate two million more to come. Even after the economy resumes growth — perhaps later this year — businesses will probably be conservative, cognizant that credit is relatively tight, and consumers will be inclined to save. Instead of hiring full-time workers, many may rely on temporary employees or add hours for existing employees.

“The jobless rate is going to continue to rise,” said Bernard Baumohl, managing director of the Economic Outlook Group. “It’s a dismal job market. It’s going to remain awful easily for the balance of this year. Even when the economy begins to recover, we might be witnessing the mother of all jobless recoveries.”

That would keep the pressure on the seven million Americans who have been out of work for 15 weeks or longer.

Since losing his job as a legal courier in February, Dante Whitfield, 35, has been riding the bus around San Jose, Calif., in a futile quest for work, subsisting on unemployment checks and the Value Menu at McDonald’s.

“There’s days I come home in tears,” Mr. Whitfield said. “You just feel lost. You don’t know what to do.”

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jehrler,

You can find that type of information and more when you go to this site:

http://theobamadiary.com/2012/08/03/evidence-of-real-progress/#comments

There are many, many people there who can help you out with that type of information as well. All you need to do is ask. It is a nice community. No trolls either, which is nice.

Number of "Net Jobs" you can credit President Obama with depends on when you think his administrations policies came into effect.

A graph with Total Nonfarm (PAYEMS) from FRED.

You can edit the graph and change date range and display the data different ways - for example display Change (+ or -) rather than totals.

You can also download the data.

Total # Jobs(Thousands) 7/1/2012 = 133,245

Total # Jobs(Thousands) 1/1/2009 = 132,837 (huge job losses every month still to go)

Total # Jobs(Thousands) 1/1/2010 = 129,279 (when we hit bottom and started back up)

Difference 1/1/2009 and 7/1/2012 = 408 (thousand) more jobs now

Difference 1/1/2010 and 7/1/2012 = 3,966 (thousand) more jobs now.

maphi,

OBAMA-job creator. For the 99%!

Romney- enrich the wealthy. For himself and the 1%.

Are you the 99%? Vote for your own best interests, not Romney's!

Similar news here -- we've been hiring for quite a while now. Reasonable supply of senior-to-very-senior people, not many to be found in the 5-10 year range.

Can't speak to the relative supply of NCGs, since my group isn't looking for any lately.

GTFO,

good luck with your right wing spin. That talking point comes straight from hot air's website.

Donna,

Here is the same information from the "right wing spin" of CNBC.

http://www.cnbc.com/id/48480887

Loose,

And here is your right wing spin put into its proper context:

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/03/opinion/krugman-debt-depression-demarco.html?_r=2&hp

There has been plenty to criticize about President Obama’s handling of the economy. Yet the overriding story of the past few years is not Mr. Obama’s mistakes but the scorched-earth opposition of Republicans, who have done everything they can to get in his way — and who now, having blocked the president’s policies, hope to win the White House by claiming that his policies have failed.

If our economy is still deeply depressed, much — and I would say most — of the blame rests not with Mr. Obama but with the very people seeking to use that depressed economy for political advantage.

Donna,

Frankly I am tired of the "it is everyone's fault but Obama" narrative - which is basically what Krugman is saying in that piece. The raw numbers back up the economy is bad and not growing, no matter how you want to spin it. Obama got the stimulus he wanted - what has it done? Surely, not what he said it would.

There is a reason that Obama's policies have failed and have been blocked - because they aren't very good. Obama refuses to move from his big government policies, even when he knows that are doomed to fail - then attempts to play the "do nothing Congress" card, knowing full well that is what would happen. He is too stubborn and too ideological - plus he seems to be a poor negotiator, all poor qualities off a president.

Whatever you may think of my comments or why jobs numbers are bad - the bottom line is they are. When does Obama, as the CEO of this country, take responsibility and when do Obama supporters realize that he isn't working - whatever the reason?

Loose,

I don't give a flying fig what you are tired of. The truth is the truth.

And if you want to live in right wing nut land that says that Obama is the only one responsible for this mess, then go ahead.

But don't come on this thread spouting your ignorant nonsense, because you will be called out for it.

You aren't convincing. No one is buying what you are selling.

Donna - if you think my opinion is BS so be it, but you are right the truth is the truth....and the numbers don't lie. If it helps you to sleep at night to give Obama a free pass (and no I don't solely blames him), more power to you...it doesn't change the fact the economy is pretty bad.

Loose,

The numbers don't lie: things are slowly getting better despite huge GOP opposition.

While the numbers don't lie, you and the GOP certainly do.

loose,

many of President Obama's economic policies (and other "policies" as well, the "individual mandate" is the best example i can give) are policies that repubs (CONSERVATIVES) supported and THOUGHT OF in the past (the individual mandate).

so when you say that President Obama's idea's "aren't very good", that is the only reason you can think of why repubs would say "no" to every economic policy the President puts forth?

we have seen a record # of filibusters and obstruction since President Obama took office. i find it very disturbing that repubs won't even support bills they have supported in the past. WHAT HAS CHANGED IN REGARD TO THAT? can you honestly say you don't see what they are doing?

politicians are all guilty when it comes to spending money, but i find it curious that after w. bush spent our country into oblivion and "cooking the books" on the iraqi and afghanistan wars AND medicare part D, you all still believe that the repub party is the party of less spending and small gov't. do some research. since nixon on AT LEAST the republican party has been the party of big gov't and big deficits. IT IS ONLY WHEN A DEMOCRAT HOLDS THE OFFICE OF THE PRESIDENCY THAT REPUBS COMPLAIN ABOUT THE SIZE OF GOV'T AND SPENDING. repubs LIKE what they spend money on, that's why they say, "deficits don't matter".

when a democrat holds the office of the presidency, all of a sudden repubs are deficit hawks, and they blame democrats for all the spending.

when President Obama took office, he said, "we will no longer lie to the american people about the cost of the iraqi and afghanistan wars" (bush cooked the books). now he is blamed for what bush put on the credit card.

i don't like everything President Obama has done. i surely don't like how the repubs have treated our President, and refused to compromise with him, even on THEIR OWN ECONOMIC POLICIES FROM THE PAST (that you all think aren't very good). unless we really pay attention, most american people don't know that many of the ideas that repubs act as if they have NEVER HEARD OF (the individual mandate) ARE THEIR VERY OWN IDEAS.

repubs and democrats need to work together. and not that President Obama should get everything he wants, but WE, the american people elected him to be President. his ideas and bills should be given respect, and he should be able to move some of his agenda forward.

i haven't seen much respect for President Obama from the repub/conservative/bagger party.

We're all tired of the "It's no one's fault but Obama's" narrative.

All you have to do is look at these two graphs to know you can't possibly want to vote for Romney. He wants to double down these these same failed Bush policies that caused massive unemployment!

What most people call progress, Romney is seeing as terrible numbers, when in fact they show a long term slow, but sure, recovery from the policies HE wants to go back to!

Republicans, wake up, your candidate is going to screw us all, right when we've been pulling out of the recession!! He's lying to you about what helps create jobs! It isn't more welfare for the wealthy! It's a solid middle class.

The unemployment rate went from 8.2% to 8.3%.

To be precise, 8.217% in June to 8.254% in July.

www.bls.gov

According to that web site the rate is now 8.3%. But what would they know.

But what would they know.

They know how to round four digits to two digits, just like I was taught in primary school. Your point?

The bls does not round up the %rate.

The round the of people entering the work force per 1,000.

www.bls.gov

Ho-lee-crapola, you should know made up crap when you see it. Repubs are the master of making crap up!

Holy cow clearly the GOP has cut too much money from math education. This is the only reason why one could believe figures that includes samples of data involving millions of people can always be precisely expressed without ever rounding.

www.bls.gov

You are telling me, that I make that up???

Gota be kidding me right?

155,000 is the month of July, with CNBC reporting it is closer to 195,000.

I'm just curious how you tea bagged republicans have managed to make it thru life without accidentally cutting off your own heads to spite your body.

Whom, do you have anything relevant to add to this discussion? If not, please find something more productive to do.

Loose,

Don't accuse others of the exact same thing you are doing.

Donna,

Don't be childish - I produced a number that another poster asked for. Is that number incorrect? If so prove me wrong or talk to CNBC about it.

Loose,

I am not the one who is being childish here. You are. You are a little boy throwing a tantrum because people, myself included, are calling you out for your lies.

Haha - throwing a "tantrum" - please be serious.

I'm curious what I lied about? My numbers are correct and my assessment of why Obama is not an effective leader in my opinion, we are each entitled to one.

Haha is right - your desperate meltdown is funny to watch.

Go back through this thread to see exactly what you have lied about.

And Obama not being an effective leader is but one of your lies.

You are a rather desperate troll who, when facts are presented to you, keep parroting the same debunked right wing talking points.

Anyone who thinks Robme is going to be a better President than Obama is either out of their minds, or just plain ignorant. I think with you, Looser, it is a little bit of both.

But you are entitled to your opinions. So have at it, knowing that you are convincing no one on this thread that you are correct. People like you who are dumb enough to vote against their best interests are out there. Just don't expect to find many of them here on this site.

Oh Donna, my desperate meltdown, huh? You calling me desperate is the dictionary definition of the pot calling the kettle black...how sad that you need to resort to name calling and personal attacks (although "looser" is fairly creative, I will give you that) because you really have nothing else.

Again, I would like concrete examples of what I have "lied" about - you can't seem to disprove me there, on the terrible job numbers I presented, etc...only that my OPINION of Obama as an ineffective leader is a lie. Remember facts and opinions are two different things. Example, the jobs numbers I presented are facts...the Paul Krugman opinion piece (the only "fact" you attempted to present) is exactly that, an opinion.

Yes, Looser, meltdown.

And I am just "expressing my opinion" which everyone has a right to do. And if you have a problem with that, too bad.

And again: go back through the thread. It should serve to refresh your memory about what you have lied about.

And from an earlier post:

The numbers don't lie: the economy is getting better despite massive GOP opposition.

The numbers don't lie, but you and the GOP certainly do.

Haha - yeah the economy is getting better, just ignore all the facts and figures that say otherwise...the private sector is doing fine, right?

So, in your mind, the unemployment rate rising, more people dropping out of the workforce, more people on government assistance, and pathetic job growth numbers is a sign of the "economy getting better" - I don't know whether to laugh or cry.

Keep "expressing your opinion" and calling names, I would rather have my facts.

Haha-yeah, the economy is, despite you ignoring all the facts about how the GOP has obstructed and sabotaged the economy.

And as for your private sector quote: careful, your right wing fox news slip is really showing there.

So in your mind, Obama is soley responsible for creating the mess he inherited, and should have fixed this whole mess, on his own, by now.

In your mind the GOP is not responsible for anything because in your delusional mind it is all Obama's fault.

And even when things ARE getting better, slowly, due to GOP obstruction, you still blame Obama for not fixing things fast enough.

You can laugh or cry. Hell, do both at the same time for all I care. But you need to wake your sorry right wing @ss up to the facts of the matter.

And if you call me expressing my opinion name calling, so be it.

And you have no facts. Only fox news right wing talking points.

No, I don't think Obama is solely responsible for the sorry state of the economy (never said I did, FYI), but I also don't think he should get a free pass either and I think many of his ideas and programs are responsible for the anemic state we are in.

Obama had both Houses of Congress for 2 years, got the stimulus he wanted and where are all the great things he promised? Didn't he say with his stimulus we would be at 5.6% unemployment right now? 8.3 > 5.6. Maybe we didn't waste enough money the first time around...and maybe we could send the 15 or so bills sitting on Harry Reid's desk for a vote? I know that many liberals don't understand the concept of stimulating the economy if it is not a union payoff, a road project, or hiring public employees - but trust me there are other ways.

I also love when liberals bring up "Fox Talking Points" - yet listen to every hack on MSNBC and think there is a difference? FYI - I don't watch Fox and maybe you should expand your horizons from just repeating what you hear on MSNBC. It is scary to see how uninformed most of the posters in here are and even scarier that the have a vote.

Calling someone "looser" is calling names, that is how children express opinions - you can express your opinion without calling names.

"And you have no facts. Only fox news right wing talking points." - you still haven't proved me wrong with your own numbers - but please keep calling me a liar and saying I have no facts. Your desperation and delusion is making my day!

Actually you have.

And your posts show a profound ignorance about how government works as well.

Obama got as much as he could have done before the House became over run with teabaggers.

Also: in the Senate the GOP used the filibuster more times than it has been used in history. You need to educate yourself.

And those THIRTY so called jobs bills are not jobs bills at all. Educate yourself:

http://www.sodahead.com/united-states/gops-claim-that-house-passed-30-jobs-bills-bogus/question-2413155/

All those bills call for is more deregulation, and more breaks for the super wealthy.

Obama put forth a jobs bill that would create over 1.9 million jobs. Perhaps you should ask your GOP taskmasters why they even block the Senate from even TALKING about or ADDRESSING what is in Obama's job bill? No you won't because you are carrying water for the GOP.

And I am as sure that you don't get your talking points from fox news as I am that you have a point to make.

And calling someone names is only childish if it wasn't true: you are a looser that puts forth nothing but absolute nonsense and right wing talking points.

And I cited my facts. You just choose to ignore them. And you refuse to accept that what you have posted are lies. You just keep saying the same debunked right wing talking points.

And I could care less if your day is made or not.

Get a room, you two.

Yawn...

Yes, I know what is in those bills - I know they aren't road paving projects, or buying off unions, or hiring public servants - but I am not surprised that as a liberal and MSNBC viewer you have no idea what drives and grows an economy.

I have made my point. The economy sucks, even though you think that is "lie" and the July jobs report is terrible, which you also think is a "lie"

I wonder what the talking heads on MSNBC are going to discuss tonight to pretend this isn't a big deal and con gullible viewers like yourself. Mitt's tax returns, Ann's horse, Mitt's overseas trip, etc.

Hopefully, Obama is a "looser" this November!

Yawn is right.

You have made a point: Your posts only shows just how much of a right wing shill you are.

And keep dreaming about Obama being the looser this November.

with CNBC reporting it is closer to 195,000.

I watch CNBC all day long 5 days a week, and they never reported 195,000 jobs.

They only report what the department of labor releases.

Watch CMBC all day 5 days a week huh?....Keeping up on your stock portfolio are we? Aren't you praising Obama for gettting the stock market back to almost 13,000 after it took a nose dive to 6,500 during the crash? All in just 3 and a half years? Or are you just FOS?

Just think if the rest of the 49 states or is it 56 (obama thinks there are 57), anyway has an unemployment rate of only 7%.

Let's see what number is larger 7 or 8.3?

Oops that's 2 points higher under Walker's dictatorship! So much for bringing it down I blame Walker for the higher numbers!

10,000 Construction job's

If I were Governor Walker, I would be hitting up the President Obama for an explanation why his personal White House "Job Czar" , GE CEO Jeffery Immelt pulled the plug on GE X'Ray Headquarters, packing it up and moving it to China. Just remember that folks when you are watching the Olympics and GE is bragging about it's X-Ray technology.

If you were Walker your head would be so far up the Koch brothers 4th point of contact no one would be able to know where you end and Koch begins, oh wait that is right tea bagged republicans thats a way of life for them kissing behinds.

xxx ooo - Totally Walkers fault. He promised 250,000 new jobs and all we have been doing since he took office is lose jobs.

It's what republicans do best borrow and spend and crash the economy.

Holy cow, a certain troll keeps repeating a little slip of the tongue the president made. That is so lame! LOL He probably knows there are 50 states.

So lame...

India it is the only fault he can find...sad huh?

If I were Governor Walker, I would be hitting up the President Obama for an explanation why his personal White House "Job Czar" , GE CEO Jeffery Immelt pulled the plug on GE X'Ray Headquarters, packing it up and moving it to China

Right after we ask the Senate Republicans why they filibustered a bring jobs home act designed to make it more attractive for companies to stay or come here by giving them right offs for moving business here and taking away those deductions when they go overseas. Companies can get a deduction for the costs of moving overseas as it stands now. Senate GOP blocked a vote and has yet to lay out their own plan.

And that's incorrect, Ho.

www.bls.gov

Tell that to the people at that web site, it's their numbers not mine.

Yeah, so it only makes sense to go back to the old GOP way. That will make things MUCH better.

/sarcasm off/

Gee. Wholly Crap has one post, and he just keeps repeating it. An intelligent mind in action.

With the Ho, it is deja vu all over again, all the time.

No wonder the tea party hasn't done in job creation in the house since holy heffer doesn't know what that is! Tea party rebirth my ass.

Now I'll explain how this works for those slow people on the vine. You see when people are hired that is job growth like has happend for over one million people this year. When people are fired that's job loss like happend at the end of Bush/Cheney. Thus if there are + number jobs that's growth. Little growth is not the same as loss, and people dropping out of the work force can't count as loss since they don't have jobs to begin with and thus if you included them you'd have to count those unemployed looking for work as employed which is illogical.

Holy@!$%#head, what you fail to know is we were losing over 700,000 jobs A MONTH almost all the way up to Nov during his first year. I'll say it again! ALL THE WAY TO NOVEMBER! Now I know you morons are no good at math but try and figure it out for yourself.. How many jobs would we have lost in 10 months? Thats a helluva lot of jobs lost, correct? That put us even farther behind than Jan of '09, correct? Combine that with teabagger obstruction of job creation and bingo! You have the teabagger economy we have today. See holy@!$%#, there's more to the truth than just figures from the BLS.

When you admit the Republicans wrecked it.

8.2% to 8.3% isn't a "jump", by the way.

Economy adds 160k jobs and the GOP is not happy about that as they were when the job numbers were pitful. No changes needed though the people realized that the Republican party has either not been as helpful as they could have or willingly tried to sabotage the economy from the beginning

You'd be smarter to defend your candidate's I will create 12 million jobs in my first term claim

Chris, Under Bush the unemployment rate was under 5% until the Democrats took over the House and Senate and caused the Housing Crisis.

And the moon is made of green cheese.

When you extend a loan to people you know can't repay it, it's called "loansharking."

A time-honored Mafia principle. And one that the banks excelled at.

Chris, In this case it was called the Community Reinvestment Act and a good example of Government Regulations on the Private Sector that failed and failed miserably, thanks Barney and Chris and the rest of the Democrats that Controlled the House and Senate during Bush's last two years in office. It is funny how Obama blames the Republican majority in the House for "His Failures" while at the same time he blames Bush for the failures of the Democrat controlled House and Senate. Bush may have been President when the Housing Crisis began, but Democrats in the House and Senate were driving the bus when it went into the ditch.

xxxooo, He won't win, but if he should, they'd be sorrier than anyone after about a year of this incompetent war mongerer, who likes to outsource jobs to enrich his offshore bank accounts.

D.C.

I see the large numbers of trolls on this site as a good thing. They are desperate because their guy Robme is in serious trouble, and will try anything, say anything in order to bolster Robme.

The trolls all ready know that those who post here are smart enough to not fall for their lies and spin, and even call the trolls out for their nonsense.

The trolls are targeting the "lurkers" the ones who come on the threads, read but don't post: their strategy is to try to sway those who are on the fence about who to vote for, place some sort of ignorant and irrational doubt in their minds so that they will either vote for Robme or not vote at all.

Which shows how the uptick in trollville is a good thing. It shows their panic about how Obama is winning, and doing so with grace and dignity while their guy is a dunderhead, a liar, and just plain shady AND doing poorly. And they can't stand it.

Celebrate their desperation.

Forget it Larry they won't answer they will just change the subject. It is like how they whine about government workers then whine that government jobs are being lost.

Exactly, Larry74!

But they won't because they have the "it's all Obama's fault" meme down pat, even after being called out for their lies.

These trolls are truly desperate, and this is the only thing that they can do about their desperation and frustration that Robme is doing so poorly.

All but 2 of them are re reg's still butt hurt over being banned and blaming everyone but themselves for the ban. Why they keep coming back is just that childish no one has a right to shut me up nonsense they never grew out of.

Sure!

The GOP is doing a GREAT job!

I mean their policies is what created the mess in the first place.

They have obstructed everything Obama has tried to accomplished. And despite that the economy is still getting better.

It only makes sense to keep doing what got America in the mess in the first place!

Go GOP!!!

/sarcasm off/

You are right! The GOP policies did not create the remarkable crash and terrible mess that Obama inherited when he came into office! And unicorns are real too!

And you crazy right wing kooks are done.

And you see your impending defeat, which is why you are crawling all over this thread like roaches; you are desperate and this is the only way you can try to influence voters.

Good luck with that tin foil hat of yours.

Larry...since you state that the President can only sign legislation that the congress passes, which I agree with you on, then you have to agree that the Democrats have to assume a large portion of the responsibility for the current mess we are in since the Democrats have been in control of the Senate about 70% of the time since WWII and controlled the HOR about 75% of the time since WWII.

just saying...

wow...imagine that...Larry isnt man enough to come back and debate the issue...surprise surprise...

jsut saying...

No the joke is you and the tea bagged republicans with your flip flop Mitt the twit candidate. 2012 is going to go down as the year the GOP lost whatever thread of sanity they had.

Tbag,

You are just so sad that your guy is doing so badly. I understand.

Keep spouting right wing bullsh*t if it will make you feel better.

Won't help things, but keep up the trolling work.

30 acts of deregulation would bring disaster not delightful outcomes for our economy. So good the dems aren't wasting time on it especially since they can't even get votes on their own bills because the senate GOP blocks them with procedural technocalities. Of course this is all while not putting forward any iniative of their own or explanation as to why they choose to filibuster guarunteed resistution for wage discrimination

a bill to increases the security of the nation's grid to protect from the cyber attacks which will be coming very shortly

a bill to make it more attractive for companies to do business in America by giving them rights offs for coming here while at the same time taking away those right offs for outsourcing. Companies now can right off the expenses of moving over seas

The house can watch it's laughable deregulation bills defeated after the senate GOP stops blocking all the dems senate iniatives while offering nothing in their place