Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan intend to end Medicare, replacing it with a private voucher scheme. So, naturally, the first campaign commercial from the Republican ticket since the weekend's announcement is an attack ad going after President Obama on ... Medicare.
In this painfully ridiculous spot, the voiceover tells voters Obama "cut $716 billion dollars from Medicare ... to pay for Obamacare." The ad goes on to say, "So now the money you paid for your guaranteed healthcare is going to a massive new government program that's not for you."
What's remarkable is just how spectacularly dishonest Romney is. It's like he heard about an award that goes to the lyingest liar who ever lied in the history of liars, and Romney's so eager to win the award that he's becoming a parody of himself.
Reality is actually quite simple. Republicans argue that Medicare savings are necessary for the health of the program, and Obama found such savings, without touching Medicare benefits, and while strengthening the financial health of the system. The savings are so sensible, they're part of Paul Ryan's Republican budget plan -- which Romney has endorsed.
Think about that for a second. Romney's truly pathetic attack ad goes after Obama for a policy that Republicans, including Romney's own running mate, have adopted.
The ad goes on to claim that the Affordable Care Act doesn't help seniors. Romney's blatantly shamelessly lying -- the law has already cut prescription drug costs for seniors and already makes preventive care available to seniors without copays.
Of course, in the bigger picture, I understand the loathsome strategy -- Romney just partnered with the "kill Medicare" guy, so he has to lash out with a massive deception in the hopes that voters are fools. But the ridiculous attack ad not only treats seniors like idiots, it also keeps the Medicare issue right where Democrats want it: up front and center.
Remember when Romney wanted to talk about jobs? Yeah, those were good times.





Hey! This bullshhit worked in 2010, and the Democrats refused to defend against it. Are the Democrats going to be as spineless this time? Will they go on the air and call it what it is: a fu king lie? They better.
Democrats and the Obama campaign should have known this was coming and got out ahead of it. They didn't.
How do you know they haven't? I have a hunch we are going to see a response in 5...4...3...2...1....
I sure as hell hope so. But they should have been out ahead of it, actually telling people the Republicans were going to be lying it. There was no doubt about it. I really get my hackles raised when I see this because traditionally the Democrats have played a very good doormat and I'm not going to believe they've changed their ways till I see it. After all, if it wouldn't have been for Dems politically incompetence, the Republicans could have been extincted for a couple of generations after the Great Recession. But Obama had his Great Facilitator self-image he had to try out for the country. Arghhh...
The Obama campaign has responded effectively to Romney's previous lies, and were in fact "out ahead" on Ryan's attacks on Medicare. Your moaning about spineless Democrats never fighting back has gone beyond tiresome into delusional.
Amen. The Democrats are showing a lot of moxie, and are mobilizing rapidly and widely against this. Not to mention that even the MSM (e.g. Soledad O'Brien) openly push back against these liars on the air.
Yeah, and I've told you I just don't care what you think. We wouldn't be sitting here worried about the 20th century being erased if Obama and Dems had played the game they way they should have. They need to play the game the way it should. You're the kind that would give it all away for the peace-of-mind of knowing you played nice.
Have they mobilized against it, jjm?
Well? Have they?
Perhaps going forward Dems will show spine, but they haven't since Reagan. They've adopted Republican policies the Reps then abandon, moving everything further right, and historical crossover voting proves that. Clinton got more major conservative legislation passed (1994 NAFTA, 1996 Welfare Reform Act, 1999 Citicorp Relief Act, 2000 Commodities Act, all of which set the stage for today's economic mess) than Reagan (Nixon got the most liberal legislation passed, EPA, Clean Air Act, China, expanded welfare, spent more on social programs than defense). At least I believe the Reps are fighting for their 1% whereas the Dems have to be pushed to a national precipice before they show any fight, showing neither great cause or leadership. That scenario is not a delusion and should be argued until the Democrats admit the truth about themselves and decide to truly represent the common.
Actually the best way to handle this is to let them step in it until they neck deep and then point out that they are stuck in it now and they cannot get out. We (us smart people) know it all lies. What more can we expect from the current Republicans,, they do not have anything except lies and conjecture. They pull stuff out of their asses and call it truth.
Continued form previous post: ...and decide to truly represent the common people they pretend to speak for.
blue is right. I don't think Terri is. You can NOT let it go; you just CAN'T. And the best way to handle it is to get the correct information out FIRST. The lies like the Republicans intentionally manufacture form myths in people's minds. Once those impressions and myths are formed they are VERY difficult to dislodge. Those who follow climate science and the deniers know this very, very well. You probably have experiences in your own life where you learned a wrong explanation for some phenomenon, then learned the correct explanation, but then when you are later reminded or made aware of the phenomenon, your brain reflexively thinks of the first (wrong) explanation even though you intellectually know it is the wrong explanation.
Here's something for those wondering what the current thinking is on dislodging and debunking myths and lies from people's minds is:
The Debunking Handbook
You should run for office and show everybody how easy it is to get through the Republican wall that has been erected by our media. Once elected, you should also institute every single policy idea that you absolutely know will benefit the entire country at the moment of it being signed into law. Every time I come to this site, I see you and your myriad of complaints about what the Obama team should or should not have done. Good grief! You know what happened in 2010, it was the peanut gallery with their constant whining that turned away those folks that only pay attention on the margins. They mistakenly thought you people knew what you were talking about instead of seeing the huge hole dug by all the folks getting the vapors which has led this counntry to where we are today, an obstinate Republican Congress. Thanks for nothing.
Yeah, I guess I should do all that. Easier: Democrats learn to fight fire with fire.
Yeah, chucking rocks is much easier than building the house. If you have a better plan, if you know how to defeat the Republicans, then quit whining and get in the game. Instead of sitting around on a blog all day telling the Democrats everything they are doing wrong, be that shining light and show us how to do it right.
stacib23: What you say has a lot of truth. But a plan requires determining how we got where we are to make any corrections moving forward that would include recognizing the mistake of being complicit in acts against ones own stated goals and purpose. I personally do not believe going forward with a plan from and executed by the same people that got us here unless I know they recognize past mistakes so as not to repeat them. It is our "leaders" job to be that shining light and show us how to do it right and I see little of that.
The better plan is to fight the Republicans by punching them first, and not let them keep punching you in the mouth when you know they're going to punch you in the mouth and you know with what hand they're going to punch you in the mouth and you know at what time they're going to punch you in the mouth.
Look this political impotence by Democrats isn't something new. We've got a Republican party that is magnificently obnoxious and whose policies poll very negatively, but yet the Presidential race is very close at the moment, most expect the House to be Republican and most expect the Senate to be very close and could shift to Republican. How can those facts be if Democrats are being effective politically?
It really shouldn't be so difficult for the geniuses running these campaigns to figure out how to do this. But something tells me they just aren't that good at what they do; they're just hacks that have been there for a long time and have their positions because of inertia.
And here's the NYT's same ol' he-said-he-said act on this very issue. It goes all meta on everybody with its campaign strategy mind-reading act, but can't, of course, actually tell it readers whether or not the Republican lie is a lie. It also tells us this is what the Republican House candidates down ballot are going to do. Yippee...
http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/08/14/new-ad-attacks-obama-on-medicare/?hp
If I had to bet, I'd bet the Democrats are going to piss away their best issue. Again. They're good at it. It doesn't have to be this way. It just doesn't.
Let me turn the mike over to Mark Thoma:
http://economistsview.typepad.com/economistsview/2012/08/ryans-budget-the-most-fraudulent-proposal-in-american-history.html
...
"If you think the middle class has it too good, too much security, taxes aren't high enough, not enough fear of unemployment, too much help for education, and so on, while the wealthy haven't been coddled enough in recent years, not enough tax cuts, too little upward redistribution of income, not enough bank bailouts, etc., etc., then the Republican proposals should make you happy.
If the Democrats can't make Ryan's views on Medicare and Social Security an issue in the campaign, if they allow Republicans to falsely claim that they are trying to save these critical programs rather than cutting them as much as they can get away with, they deserve to lose."
DisgustedWithItAlll
Obama was in iowa stumping today , and he was nailing the gop on the economy relentlessly , but these things do not make it on the network news for the most part ,unfortunately , but too go along with your point , obama can not do this alone , my house rep has chosen the frightened route , and is in hiding , for now , just pathetic , my senator tom harkin will be out kicking some ass I hope
Dems knew this was coming. They didn't get out ahead of it. They ignored people telling them to get out ahead of it. They should have been setting people up for the coming Republican lies about their strongest issues and they didn't.
I had some faint hope that with the stakes that are on the line in this election, Democrats might finally get a testosterone injection. They didn't, and I finally have to realize that Democrats are losers. They just will not learn, or is it they not learn.
This is just the latest wholesale falsehood the Romney campaign is putting millions of dollars behind, and we should be rightly outraged by this behavior. But what is most worrisome about his consistent disregard of the truth is that Romney may become President and his campaign team would be key advisors. Does anyone think that their duplicity will stop come November 6? No, they will be in the habit of, and will think they have been rewarded for, a consistent pattern of lies. This means that Romney and his team will govern with a continuing reckless regard for the truth, for facts, for reality. The "facts" that will guide their governing will be as made up as they are for the campaign. For example, they make up a fact that, say, a third-world dictator is hiding weapons of mass destruction, and therefore a full-scale invasion of his country is justified. Sound familiar? So his campaign lies are not just unfair and outrageous; they are very, very scary.
You mean like yellow cake and aluminum tubes? A smoking gun in the form of a mushroom cloud.
Bush and Cheney will be there cheering them on
You have learned well grasshopper
He isn't relying on foolish voters. He's relying on foolish news coverage. As long as he can fool the media into reporting his attack as being equivalent to the inevitable Democratic attacks on Ryan's plan then it will be a wash.
We know Romney's attack is based on a lie, but we're political nerds.
You're spot-on. Other than more liberally-leaning sites, virtually no one calls the Romney crew out on their lies. Soledad O'Brien went at it with John Sununu, and the AP has put out a couple of pieces, but really, you're completely in the dark as to the outrageous mendacity if your only news sources are the network programs. It doesn't hurt conservatives that they have their own media machine that propagandizes 24/7.
Well, of course the Republicans are going to lie, but look how the terms of debate have shifted. Do they really want to be talking about Medicare? I'd say the ascension of Paul Ryan has forced them to play defense here, which they are of course playing with all the ferocity of a cornered herd of rabid weasels. But they're still on the defensive.
I believe Romney.voters are idiots.till further notice i still think the Dems won't respond to this, the way they ought to.Romney has studied the Media for 6years now and he understands the limitation of our gullible MSM.
He feel comfortable in his strategy--use the media to get to your targeted groups.
Chutzpah is one of the GOP middle names.
For a local example, here in the capital city of
The Mississippi of the MidwestIndiana, our republican mayor just released his 'budget' for the next year. It calls for reduced spending by eliminating pay increases previously negotiated with police and fire department unions and by reductions of city services. The 'Chutzpah' factor is that this takes place less than 2 weeks after information was released that the mayor's staff was given pay raises averaging 18% this year (because the city needs to retain the best talent).SOV: In Europe (this is only my perception), the firefighters and police would call a general strike until their budgets were restored. Crime would increase and homes/businesses would burn. People would die. But, as I understand it, Indiana,
the Mississippi of the Midwest, would not stand up to the power structure because they are the ones who elected them.the lyingest liar who ever lied in the history of liars, Well said
And yet He approved of the ad
Damn you Colbert . Truthyness has evolved into truthlessness
That ad by Romney is just more of the same lie the republicans have been pedaling all weekend.
Obama released an ad today responding to the welfare claims. Major strike back and a great ad -->> http://youtu.be/aWFAHbEUKtA , hopefully the Obama team gets another one going with this medicare claim.
May this nightmare ever end! Can TRMS find a way to educate every single person and his or her pet about this 7hundred whatever Billion dollars and from where Obama is "stealing" it, exactly why he is doing that, and that this is not an idea reserved for Obama, but has been endorsed/recommended by Paul Ryan's budget plan. I absolutely, positively can't take any more of this. Write a song, give away t-shirts, put it on SNL, or all of the above. Let's collectively move on from this.
lying sack of mitt
I hope one day you have to watch the person you love actually dies of AML Leukemia, then spend over 2.21Million dollars on their health care in less than 6 months...and then be asked to clean up the financials afterwards...Your callous betrayal of a friendship is making me not like you at all...I am saying the amount the Social Security Administration kept/stole from his life time account belonged
to the Estate..A community property agreement says clearly all accounts all amounts...apparently you do not understand legal documents...The lifetime benefit money earned should have been applied towards the tax burden it created thus leaving the Social Security administration at least at $39,000 from his earned benefits! Having to adjust your yearly income tax by $62,000.00 is not normal in any ones world..let alone watching alot of Callous @!$%#tards sitting by that are not able to understand it! The balance of the situation is the money that is withheld from the persons' lifetime earnings is the actual money that belongs to the estate of the deceased and should be made available to those who are compromised by the sudden death of the wage earner. DOMA restricts this type of fiscal responsibility to the dependents of a deceased partner or loved one that is regarded as the head of household upon their death. They simply take back the money without any fiscal regard of the harm it causes to the household after a person dies...The lifetime earned money belongs to the estate of the deceased..not the Social Security Administration.
If we trap the methane coming off that ad we could power all the electric plants in the US for months.
the truth doesn't do well against infinite lies and infinite money
The President and his campaign staff have already shown they are willing to strike and strike hard, unlike Democrats in the past. They will not sit back and take it as others have done. As Romney has already admitted, President Obama is out to "destroy" Romney and his boy wonder. Why do you think Mittens was begging to come off the attack ads over the weekend?
for the record BBC news last night when talking about this, didn't mention that it was a lie just said that it was wrong. hey at least that's a start. Don't you find it funny that a non US news program shows the mirror to Romney but US news sources don't. And they call it the liberal media. yeah right
As someone who is actually on Medicare, I can tell you it as arcane as the Aramaic in the Dead Sea Scrolls.
When you reach the age of eligibility the postman brings you a fat gummint envelope, filled with gummintspeak, and you a required to read, understand (HA!), and chose a plan. Which varies from state to state.
So, most of the Geezer Class really don't know what their coverage covers, how much it costs, who pays what part, and why do these dang pills cost so much?
So, when the TeeVee says "Obama wants to kill you", you crank up the hearing aid and say, "At last! Some simple language I can understand."
Thats why we have to deploy the "Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan want to kill you" ad
This is Swift Boating 2012. Good on you, Rachel, for spotlighting this lie and please keep shining that light on this outrageous upending of the truth. But it would be even more effective if you could, every time, briefly spell out -- as Ezra Klein has been doing on your show and others on MSNBC -- exactly what those $716B in cuts were for -- mostly to cap excessive insurance premiums and trim admin. costs of the system -- and how those savings were to be re-applied as tax cuts for the middle class. This is an argument that can be won on its merits -- but only if we keep plugging away at it with the truth!
"so he has to lash out with a massive deception in the hopes that voters are fools". The thing is, only a minority of voters have to be fools for this ad, and others of its ilk, to work. They are fools, and the ads do and will work. They're not aimed at informed, thoughtful voters, or anything like that. Voters who are anything like informed or thoughtful have made up their minds. This ad and the like are aimed at those who vacillate from election to election, following their blind, unprincipled frustration wherever it guides them: first to Obama in '08, then to the Tea Party in '10. They ARE fools. And they will be duped. And the adsters know it. The rest of us can only look on in anguish, as if at a slaughter of baby seals, as the manipulators mold the minds of the malleable.
Anti-Medicaid states: Earning $11,000 is too much
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In a Thursday, July 26, 2012 photo, Sandra Pico, 52, holds
medications she t...
MIAMI — Sandra Pico is poor, but not
poor enough.
She makes about $15,000 a year, supporting her daughter and unemployed
husband. She thought she'd be able to get health insurance after the Supreme
Court upheld President Barack Obama's health care law.
Then she heard that her own governor won't agree to the federal plan to
extend Medicaid coverage to people like her in two years. So she expects to
remain uninsured, struggling to pay for her blood pressure medicine.
"You fall through the cracks and there's nothing you can do about it," said
the 52-year-old home health aide. "It makes me feel like garbage, like the
American dream, my dream in my homeland is not being accomplished."
Many working parents like Pico are below the federal poverty line but don't
qualify for Medicaid, a decades-old state-federal insurance program. That's
especially true in states where conservative governors say they'll reject the
Medicaid expansion under Obama's health law.
In South Carolina, a yearly income of $16,900 is too much for Medicaid for a
family of three. In Florida, $11,000 a year is too much. In Mississippi, $8,200
a year is too much. In Louisiana and Texas, earning more than just $5,000 a year
makes you ineligible for Medicaid.
Governors in those five states have said they'll reject the Medicaid
expansion underpinning Obama's health law after the Supreme Court's decision
gave states that option. Many of those hurt by the decision are working parents
who are poor — but not poor enough — to qualify for Medicaid.
Republican Mitt Romney's new running mate, conservative Wisconsin congressman
Paul Ryan, has a budget plan that would turn Medicaid over to the states and
sharply limit federal dollars. Romney hasn't specifically said where he stands
on Ryan's idea, but has expressed broad support for his vice presidential pick's
proposals.
Medicaid now covers an estimated 70 million Americans and would cover an
estimated 7 million more in 2014 under the Obama health law's expansion. In
contrast, Ryan's plan could mean 14 million to 27 million Americans would
ultimately lose coverage, even beyond the effect of a repeal of the health law,
according to an analysis by the nonpartisan Kaiser Family Foundation of Ryan's
2011 budget plan.
For now, most states don't cover childless adults, but all states cover some
low-income parents. The income cutoff, however, varies widely from state to
state.
Most states cover children in low-income families. Manuel and Sandra Pico's
15-year-old daughter is covered by Medicaid. But the suburban Miami couple can't
afford private insurance for themselves and they make too much for Florida's
Medicaid.
Manuel Pico, a carpenter, used to make more than $20,000 a year, but has
struggled to find work in the last three years after the real estate market
collapsed. He occasionally picks up day jobs or takes care of the neighbor's
yard. Sandra Pico would like to work full time, but can't afford to pay someone
to watch her 34-year-old sister, who has Down syndrome.
"No matter how hard I work, I'm not going to get anywhere," Sandra Pico said.
"If you're not rich, you just don't have it."
In San Juan, Texas, 22-year-old Matthew Solis makes about $8,700 a year — too
much to qualify for Medicaid in that state. Solis, a single father with joint
custody of his 4-year-old daughter, said he works about 25 hours per week at a
building supply store making minimum wage and is a full-time college student at
the University of Texas-Pan American. He aspires to be a school counselor.
He recently sought medical care for food poisoning, visiting a federally
funded clinic. But he doesn't see a doctor regularly because he can't afford
private insurance. The new health law allows young adults to remain on their
parents' insurance until age 26. But that doesn't help Solis, whose father is
uninsured and whose mother died of leukemia when he was 8.
"I voted for him (Obama) because he promised we would have insurance," Solis
said. "I'm pretty upset because I worked for Obama and I still don't have
coverage."
His governor, Rick Perry, like Pico's governor, Rick Scott, is rejecting the
Medicaid expansion. So Solis too is out of luck unless his circumstances
dramatically change.
In most of the states where governors are rejecting or leaning against the
expansion, the income level that disqualifies a parent from Medicaid is
stunningly low. Only in New Jersey, where Gov. Chris Christie has said he's
leaning against the expansion, is Medicaid available to parents with incomes at
the poverty line and slightly above. New Jersey will cover a parent making
$24,645 in a family of three.
Most states base Medicaid eligibility for parents on household income and how
it compares to the federal poverty level, which was $18,530 for a family of
three in 2011, the year being used for easier state-by-state comparisons.
In Louisiana, the eligibility cutoff for a working parent is 25 percent of
federal poverty, or $4,633 for a family of three. In Nevada, it's 87 percent of
the federal poverty level, or $16,121 for a family of three.
That's been the range in states where governors are likely saying no to
expanded Medicaid.
In contrast, states where governors have said they'll expand Medicaid are
more generous with working parents. The Medicaid eligibility cutoff ranges in
those states from Washington's $13,527 to Minnesota's $39,840.
To be sure, some states with generous coverage for parents have been forced
to cut back. Illinois, facing a financial crisis, ended coverage last month for
more than 25,000 working parents. Even so, the state still covers working
parents with incomes slightly higher than the poverty line.
The national health law's Medicaid expansion would start covering all
citizens in 2014 who make up to roughly $15,400 for an individual, $30,650 for a
family of four.
The federal government will pay the full cost of the Medicaid expansion
through 2016. After that, the states will only pick up 5 percent of the cost
through 2019, and 10 percent of the cost thereafter.
So why would any governor say no to such a great deal?
These governors are in favor of smaller government. In principle, they don't
want the federal government to expand — even if that expansion would help their
own citizens. And they say they don't want their own states paying any more of
the Medicaid tab even if it's years down the road.
"We don't need the federal government telling us what to do when it comes to
meeting the needs of the citizens of our states," Florida Gov. Rick Scott wrote
recently in an opinion piece for U.S. News and World Report. "And we don't need
Washington putting states on the hook for future budget obligations."
Also, many conservatives view Medicaid as a wasteful, highly flawed program,
akin to no health coverage. Many doctors across the country won't treat Medicaid
patients because the payments they receive are so low.
When the Supreme Court ruled that states could opt out of the health law's
Medicaid expansion, it raised the chances for inequity at a time when more
Americans have fallen from the middle class into poverty, said Isabel Sawhill, a
senior fellow at the Brookings Institution.
"Why should a sick person in Connecticut have access to health care when they
don't in Mississippi and Texas?" Sawhill asked. "We really do have a very high
level of poverty as a result of the recession. And the safety net is weaker than
ever."
Medicaid, the nation's single largest insurer, is a state and federal program
created in 1965 as a companion program to welfare cash assistance to single
parents. Today, the elderly and disabled cost nearly 70 cents of every Medicaid
dollar, not the stereotypical single mother and her children.
What's largely unknown to many Americans is who is left out of the safety
net, said Cheryl Camillo, a senior researcher at Mathematica Policy Research. "A
huge chunk of the populace is not covered, even by Medicaid," she said.
The political rhetoric during a presidential campaign focuses on the middle
class and leaves the uninsured working poor largely invisible, said Rand Corp.
researcher Dr. Art Kellermann.
"We hear a lot of talk about unemployment and the aspirations of middle-class
Americans. But we don't hear about the consequences of unemployment and the
consequences of the collapsing middle class," Kellermann said. Losing health
insurance is one of those consequences.
"It's like the public just doesn't want to believe anything else until it
hits home," he said, "Until it's their own child, brother or parent that got
laid off when they were 58, until then, it's not real."
___
AP Medical Writer Carla K. Johnson reported from Chicago. AP Writer
Christopher Sherman contributed to this report from San Juan, Texas.
Copyright 2012 The Associated Press. All rights reserved.
This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed
Excellent piece!! Everyone should read this...
@sadoldvet no self respecting Republican would have Chutzpa as a middle name, after all that club is restricted. I heard this attack yesterday and almost crashed my car. These guys are desperate. Pants on fire doesn't begin to cover it, more like a trouser inferno.
They lie so much. they spin the truth and expect people to support that. Here are 2 guys that are suppose to be so religious but lies are at the foundation of their existence. Ryan is catholic but said Iyan Rand was his hero. She didn't believe in GOD, now he is trying to distant himself from that statement. Romney won't talk about his belief because he is ashamed in his belief and/or afraid of loosing support of the Tea Party. I thought that you belief was not to be swayed by man or their opinion of your belief bcuz GOD is the decider and you are to fear only him. But this dude has no core or balls for that matter so he will reject his GOD and belief to win the praise of men. Such a coward, how could anyone support a dude like that? If he will turn on his GOD what make you think he won't turn on you?
Kim Willis You know you your doing alot of "he lied , has no balls, he's a coward." Why don't you spell out some specifics here on this forum. All I see is a President that was nothing but a Community activist in Chicago, that doesn't have a lick of common sense, that put a country 7 trillion dollars in dept within 3.8 years. If you care to spell it out about the Medicare issue, I'll be more than glad to have a discussion about it.
Please define how the president ran up $7 trillion in debt over the last 3.5 years. Let's not forget to add that he put the previously hidden cost of both wars, the unfunded Medicare prescription drug bill, and the cost of the unpaid for tax cuts in 2001 and 2003 that somehow GWB forgot to add to the tab. With the exception of the $780 billion in stimulus (of which almost half was tax cuts), where did all of this spent money go? As you said to Kim Willis, I would be more than glad to have a discussion about it.
Do you have any idea what a community organizer actually does, or is that a handy "insult"? What are your examples of Obama not having common sense, and please be specific. Romney and his team are flat out lying about the cuts to Medicare by the Obama administration and you most likely know that, but it doesn't play into the narrative you guys are trying to create. This would be a much better country if everybody began the conversation with facts and only facts.
stacib23 -Bush was at 8.97 trillion when he left office. Obama as of today, 16,968,000,000,000 WOW I believe thats 7 trillion WOW. Now do you want me to explain how a Community Activist from Chicago that was elected Presidient how achieved such deraliction of his office. Your great , great, great grandchildren will pay for your vote WOW
I know hemi! Spell out what Obama policies are responsible for that additional debt, alright? Get ya some wingnut glory! Show us how it's Obama's fault!!!
You tell me you voted for the King of Food Stamps, Welfare, unemployment payment. Failed or Bankrupt Green Business act, Government Funding for Illegal's including Allowing illegal's filing child tax credits $1000 while the children live in Mexico which figures according to the IRS 3.5 Billion. Along with medical and education for the illegal's. Los Angeles is 16 billion in the hole for that. Government Funding $235,000 per Chevy volt, which is a flop. WINGNUT WOULD YOU LIKE ME CONTINUE.
Oops, you forgot to do what the assignment was. Right now your grade is: FAIL.
I'll repeat the assignment you need to complete to support your assertions:
Spell out what Obama policies are responsible for that additional debt, alright?
Remember, we only allow one makeup assignment, wingnut. (We allow makeup for wingnuts makeup assignment because they're so stupid. Others don't get makeups.) Now, what are those OBAMA policies that are responsible for the additional debt? Remember you have $5+ trillion of Obama policies to account for, wingnut. You're not even close.
Now off you go, again. You've got work to do.
Well, looks like our big mouth wingnut isn't going to be able to come through to support his evidence-free assertions. What a surprise. Just like all the other Fox-educated ignoramuses.
C'mon Hot Rod, show us what ya got!! Git ya some wingnut glory and take out the Kenyan Keynesian Socialist!! Give us those Obummer policies responsible for $5 trillion of extra debt. You can do it, Hot Rod!
When Obama released the "Mitt Romney Killed my wife" ad, which, I thought was brilliant myself, Romney had no choice. Now with Ryan on the ticket, the best is yet to come. I'm an ass kicking liberal and I say, this time we stop barking and we start biting. If you are a Democrat that doesn't like the sight of blood, please step back and let us, with our sharp teeth, into the scrum.
Good to know there's a few.
Shawn Habibi You don't even know what your talking about with the kill my wife issue. Nor do you DisgustedWithItAlll If you think you do then tell the story
No, hemi, you do the work and tell the story. Then we'll correct you. And stop up-arrowing yourself. Nobody would recommend you for that crap you just posted.
DisgustedWithItAlll hey just admit you don't know, it's ok. You want to bang on the door, your scared to open. I know about GST steel, it use to be Armco steel of Kansas City, Mo. You all want to blast Romney over the Bain game. Speak up, I even challenge Rachel Maddow on this forum now.
Sorry, pal. I don't accept homework from a Fox-educated wingnut ignoramus. It's your burden. And I'm not doing it for you. And when you do give us your story, we'll make sure to educate you as to how fu king stupid and clueless you are for believing what you do. Now off you go, you've got work; give us that wingnut story.
Joe Soptic lost his job at GST Steel in 2001. His wife developed cancer in 2006, Then passed away. Romney was not employed by Bain Capital. GST Steel was closed due to foreign steel. Thanks to Bill Clinton with his new Tarrif laws. I worked at ARMCO STEEL thats how I know WINGNUT I mean PUSS HEAD
Oh, you didn't get the rest of the story, did you, wingnut?
Shawn love it!
Horse@!$%# Mitt.. and more rubber/glue nonsense.. Same mitt, different lie!
Isn't it about time that the rest of America caught onto this rubber,glue game. Are the Republicans really betting on ignorance to win this election? They must not have anymore deceitful tactics or games in their little bag of tricks. I wonder what unfulfilled promises have been made to the 1%. Money is the root of all evil.