Ahead on the 8/15 Maddow show

http://mashable.com/2012/08/15/nasa-and-we-know-it-viral-video/

Does ANYONE compare to "We're NASA and we know it?"

1 vote

#1.1 - Wed Aug 15, 2012 11:30 PM EDT

Can we get a studio prop with Maddow and Dukakis in an Army Tank? Maybe a great big "Forward" Obama-Biden bumper sticker on it. Great segway into a storyline about the high level adminstration officials in the Obama white house who have been leaking information about the highest security military and covert operations to the media to boost Obama's re-election potential.

WASHINGTON, August 14, 2012 – A group of former U.S. Intelligence and Special Forces is getting ready to take on the media, President Obama, and any other politician who attempts to release details of secret operations for their own political gain. Their main goal is to stop the high-level leaks of national security information.

The Special Operations OPSEC Education Funding has as its primary focus to “further the common good,” with political aspirations taking a back seat.

At the top of the to-do list for the group is to save American lives by curtailing leaks from as high up as the White House.

Reuters reports that OPSEC will be releasing a twenty-two minute film that criticizes President Obama and his administration for intentionally leaking sensitive details about covert intelligence operations. Reuters reports that the film includes Navy Seal Ben Smith saying:

"Mr. President, you did not kill Osama bin Laden, America did. The work that the American military has done killed Osama bin Laden. You did not. As a citizen, it is my civic duty to tell the president to stop leaking information to the enemy," Smith continues. "It will get Americans killed."

Just to see that dufus Dukakis in a tank again would be fun. Now talk about a lousy Governor of Mass, Dukakis is King! Soon to be outdone by Prince (Deval) Patrick!

Follow that with that goofball Joan Walsh from Salon Mag talking about how Paul Ryan is a member of the "Irish Mafia" (somehow grandfathered into it from family connections). Paul Ryan was born into a well-to-do Janesville, Wisc. family, part of the so-called “Irish mafia” that’s run the city’s construction industry since the 19th century... read the entire Walsh story at Salon.
Talk about looney tunes. Walsh takes the cake today. And that woman along with Maddow are regarded as viable sources of fundemental facts to you folks?????????? tsk tsk tsk

OK,..........back to Madden 13. EA Sports, It's in the Game".

#2 - Wed Aug 15, 2012 9:08 PM EDT

Nice, biased reporting there. Obama doesn't leak; it's the GOP that leaks the names of our agents to put them in danger. So, where's the outrage by these fakes on that? Oh, right, It's Okay If You're A Republican.

Shut the hell up.

#2.1 - Thu Aug 16, 2012 1:24 AM EDT

Unfounded conjecture by a Maddow robot. Tell a lie enough times and they WILL come to believe in it.

Isn't is Stalin who said that? No wonder you are "grumpy" disappointed in the "liberal" biased media and incredulous pretentious journalist/talk show host like Maddow and msnbcers "bastards" Who have created in you, a tagname, "grumpyliberalbastard".
Liberate yourself from the lies. Be Free become a "happyliberalchampion".

Or stay in your self created false hood world. Telling others whom you disagree with, to STHU because the truth is too painfull to endure.

Maddow tells you tomorrow that the Patriots won the 2012 Super Bowl and you WOULD believe her. She would be LYING to you, again.

The Ny Giants won! Go Giants

#2.2 - Thu Aug 16, 2012 3:54 AM EDT

I'm grumpy because of asshats like you, who I try to educate over and over but would rather wallow in ignorance. I style myself a bastard because I'm tired of being nice about it.

I endure the truth just fine; it's you who shrink away from it like a slug from salt. You still haven't refuted any of my points.

As for the football, I wouldn't give a crap about the homoerotic man-grappling you seem to adore so much. But then again, you DO hold the Catholic priesthood in high esteem... hmmm.

1 vote

#2.3 - Thu Aug 16, 2012 12:34 PM EDT

https://twitter.com/redanddead815

Hey, it would be great for the #Maddow show to jump all over this story of what's going on with the student newspaper at the University of Georgia (with a well-known journalism program, to boot). Would be good for a short Friday segment, at least.

http://onlineathens.com/breaking-news/2012-08-15/red-black-student-staffers-walk-out

Red & Black student staffers walk out

By KARAH-LEIGH HANCOCKKARAH.HANCOCK@ONLINEATHENS.COM – published Wednesday, August 15, 2012

The student editorial staff of the University of Georgia's The Red & Black newspaper walked out Wednesday evening after a non-student was named editorial director with final say on all editorial content.

The Red & Black's student editor-in-chief, Polina Marinova, along with other top student editors and staff members, walked out after Ed Morales, who had been the paper's editorial adviser and then became editorial director, was given full editorial control of the newspaper

[...]

Editor in Chief's statement about the walkout:

http://redanddead.com/

This is seriously outrageous. It should damage the credibility of the journalism (undergrad and grad) program as well (students can't apprentice at a student paper that is a mere university house organ).

Also, makes me wonder what is behind it too. GA is another state that can tip creepy real quickly (I say that as someone who lived there in early 90s and thru most of the 2000s).

2 votes

#3 - Wed Aug 15, 2012 10:23 PM EDT

The NY Times picked it up today here.

Here's some more on this story.

Adam Goldstein has a piece I really like a lot. Good detail.

Read what the Board was forcing on the student editors: No headlines in a language other than English. Forcing space for "good" news, like grip and grins. It's outrageous.

The walkout came after Ms. Marinova obtained a draft memo written by a board member that contained proposed guidelines for the newspaper. The memo listed, among "bad" news that was to be played down, "content that catches people or organizations doing bad things."

One of my proudest moments as a professor in the early 90s was taking my journalism students from Valdosta State up to Athens for the GA Press Association annual student journalism awards.

We were a small program and watched the Athens students and others from GA Tech and GA State clean up on the awards. But there was a nice win, for one of my best kids, the editor of the VSU Spectator (where we also at one time had to fight against university censorship).

It is just hard for me to think of this happening at UGA. I can't imagine how demoralizing it must be for the students and faculty.

1 vote

#3.1 - Fri Aug 17, 2012 12:54 AM EDT

Bless me father for I have sinned. This is a lengthy cut & paste. But let it be a lesson to all you foolish critics about Paul Ryan's Catholic Faith, his practices of the faith and with this .........his own bishop's stamp of approval. Read it and weap. The argument is over. Don't tske on Catholic who knows his faith.

Paul Ryan’s Bishop Defends Him Amid Attacks on His Application of Church Teaching (1070)

Madison, Wis., Bishop Robert Morlino says he’s not endorsing Ryan, but upholds the candidate’s reputation as a serious Catholic committed to applying Church social doctrine.

by JOAN FRAWLEY DESMOND08/15/2012 Comment

Bishop Robert Morlino

– Diocese of Madison, Wis.

MADISON, Wis. — Earlier this year, when Georgetown University announced that Rep. Paul Ryan, R-Wis., the chairman of the House Budget Committee, would defend his budget in a public address, almost 90 faculty members at the Jesuit institution publicly denounced his interpretation of Church doctrine.

While the media generally presented the harsh judgment as a sign that Ryan’s budget proposals violated core beliefs of his Church, most news stories failed to examine why the subsequent appearance of Kathleen Sebelius, the secretary of the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services, at a Georgetown graduation event did not provoke a comparable furor. Sebelius is widely viewed as the architect of a federal contraception mandate denounced by the U.S. bishops as an “unprecedented” threat to the free exercise of Catholic institutions, but the same group of Georgetown faculty apparently saw no need to register their disapproval.

During the final bruising months of a presidential election that could hinge on the shifting views of Catholic “swing” voters, Americans can expect to witness further disputes that showcase legitimate questions about the practical impact of Ryan's policies and partisan hit jobs that fail to provide a holistic treatment of Catholic teaching.

Now, Bishop Robert Morlino of Madison, Ryan’s bishop, has waded into this election-year minefield, clearly concerned that a valued member of his flock is being unfairly attacked by partisan forces.

In a column that will be posted on his diocesan website tomorrow, Aug. 16, Bishop Morlino vouches for Ryan’s Catholic bona fides, but stresses that his remarks should not be viewed as an endorsement of Ryan or any candidate.

“I know him very well. He is in regular communication with his bishop.

“I am defending his reputation because I am the one who, as his diocesan bishop, should have something to say about this, if anyone does,” Bishop Morlino told the Register during an Aug. 15 telephone interview.

“Since others have, I believe, unfairly attacked his reputation, I have to look out for his good name. That is Church law. If someone disagrees with Paul, he is free to do that. But not on the basis of reputation destruction, really calumny,” he added.

“They say things about him that aren’t true. I am not a defender of Paul Ryan; I am a defender of reputations of Catholics in the public sphere whose reputations are unjustly attacked.”

The bishop did not cite specific examples to document his charges regarding Ryan’s more outspoken critics, though an Internet search quickly locates headlines like "Paul Ryan's Violence." In recent weeks, however, one political ad on television sought to connect Romney with the death of a cancer victim, who allegedly could not receive treatment because Bain Capital, the private equity firm founded by Romney, had closed the company that once provided her husband with health insurance.

Critics began to challenge Ryan’s moral and intellectual credibility in April, after the congressman asserted in an interview with the Christian Broadcasting Network that his economic policies, designed, in part, to get the poor off government assistance, were consistent with Catholic teaching.

“The preferential option for the poor, which is one of the primary tenets of Catholic social teaching, means don’t keep people poor, don’t make people dependent on government so that they stay stuck at their station in life; help people get out of poverty, out onto life of independence,” he stated in the interview.

That month, when Ryan was slated to deliver a prestigious lecture at Georgetown, irate faculty members issued an open letter to the House budget chief.

“Your budget appears to reflect the values of your favorite philosopher, Ayn Rand, rather than the Gospel of Jesus Christ,” says the letter, which the faculty members sent to Ryan.

Ayn Rand’s Influence?

Ryan’s selection as Romney’s running mate has fired up his critics, and similarly harsh judgments have surfaced on political and Catholic blogs and news sites.

Today, one such critique was posted by Charles Reid, a professor of law at the University of St. Thomas. Published by The Huffington Post, it notes the early influence of Ayn Rand on Ryan’s thought and broadly attacks his approach to Catholic social teaching.

“These philosophical premises, of course, stand in contradiction to the social thought of the Catholic Church, as developed over two millennia of experience. Paul Ryan surely knows this. His tepid protest that he reads the Bible and so cannot be a follower of Ayn Rand rings hollow,” charges Reid.

“The record of his public life is that of a man in thrall to a curdled, warped individualism. I, for one, would like to know what he thinks about the magisterium of the Church regarding the positive value of the state.”

During an Aug. 13 appearance on the O’Reilly Factor, Sister Simone Campbell, the executive director of Network, the liberal social-justice lobby, criticized the Ryan budget for failing to secure programs that aided the poor and underemployed, while cutting taxes for the rich.

Sister Simone did not issue any personal attacks on the candidate, but asserted that “the Ryan budget shifts money to the top, not to the bottom. So the Ryan budget won’t do anything to stimulate the economy.”

In his column, Bishop Morlino sought to tamp down the rhetoric and encourage the kind of civil discourse that assumes the good intentions of a Catholic in good standing who is arguing about matters on which people of good will are free to disagree.

“Where intrinsic evils are not involved, specific policy choices and political strategies are the province of Catholic lay mission,” he states in a column that emphasizes the distinction between intrinsically evil choices that must always be opposed and policy positions shaped by prudential judgments, which should be guided by the principles of subsidiarity and solidarity with regards to those most in need.

“Vice-presidential candidate Ryan is aware of Catholic social teaching and is very careful to fashion and form his conclusions in accord with the principles mentioned above. Of that I have no doubt,” Bishop Morlino asserted, providing an unusually explicit defense of the candidate.

Justice Issues

In a statement that expresses pride in the accomplishments of a “brother in the faith” and promises prayers for a candidate facing “the unbelievable demands of a presidential campaign here in the United States,” the bishop notes the responsibilities and limits of his own role as a teacher of faith and morals.

“It is not for the bishop or priests to endorse particular candidates or political parties. Any efforts on the part of any bishop or priest to do so should be set aside. And you can be assured that no priest who promotes a partisan agenda is acting in union with me or with the universal Church.”

“It is the role of bishops and priests to teach principles of our faith, such that those who seek elected offices, if they are Catholics, are to form their consciences according to these principles about particular policy issues.”

Many Republicans welcome Ryan’s ability to stir debate about the nation’s budgetary priorities amid an economic crisis with a ballooning national deficit. Ryan has a knack for explaining budget tradeoffs. And he is comfortable raising questions about whether increased govenment spending on social programs necessarily translates into improved outcomes in poor neighborhoods.

Increasingly, Capital Hill's heated discussions about budgetary realities, the future of once secure social entitlements and the needs of the poor have introduced a parallel debate within the U.S. bishops' conference.

Last spring, Bishop Stephen Blaire of Stockton, Calif., the chairman of the U.S. bishops’ Committee on Domestic Justice and Human Development, critiqued the Ryan budget, sending letters to Congress that attacked proposed cuts in food stamps and benefits for children of immigrants as “unjust.”

The bishops’ conference is now developing a document, “Reflections on Work, Poverty and a Broken Economy,” that will review Catholic social teaching, examine the “costs” of the crisis, and express solidarity with the unemployed and those at the margins. The stated goal is to stir “Catholic conversations” on the moral responsibilities of people and institutions at the center of the economy.

But during the bishops’ semi-annual meeting in Atlanta earlier this year, a number of bishops expressed concern that such statements had been hijacked by partisan forces. They questioned whether the endorsement of specific policies went beyond their competence as teachers of faith and morals and whether the conference’s tendency to embrace government programs ignored a new reality of budget-busting debt.

Bishop Morlino described himself as a bystander in the conference’s internal discussions. But he had clear views about the tendency of some self-described “social justice” Catholics to ignore or even repudiate Catholic teaching on abortion, marriage and religious liberty.

Addressing what he called an “artificial divide” between “life and social justice” issues, he noted during his interview that “there is one group of ‘justice issues,’ and they are placed in a certain hierarchy with regard to how fundamental they are to being Catholic.”

His column, he said, attempts to bridge that artificial divide by providing a framework with which to approach a range of policies and party platforms.

“The formation of conscience regarding particular policy issues is different depending on how fundamental to the ecology of human nature or the Catholic faith a particular issue is,” he notes in the column.

“Some of the most fundamental issues for the formation of a Catholic conscience are as follows: sacredness of human life from conception to natural death, marriage, religious freedom and freedom of conscience and a right to private property.”

Yet Paul Ryan’s confident references to Catholic social doctrine also serve as a reminder that some Catholics leaders seek to challenge the predictable arguments and politics appropriated by “social justice” Catholics.

Asked during the interview if Ryan represents a uniquely American type of Catholic politician, born and bred in a free-market environment that sharply departed from the European experience, Bishop Morlino paused for a moment and then observed that during a U.S. recession overshadowed and worsened by Europe’s cascading debt crisis, Americans are struggling to compare and contrast the two systems.

“Some say, ‘How can we compare America to Greece?’ Others say, ‘As Greece goes, so America goes.’

"We do have a distinctive way of looking at this,” but Church teaching on a just society transcends the European experience, providing essential moral and practical guidance for all Catholics, he said.

American Catholics are “shaped by an economic culture that fosters, really reinforces, a self-centered ethos,” he said, stressing the vital importance of a properly formed conscience.

“We cannot be complacent about our market system,” he concluded. “Private property is a natural right, but it’s not an absolute right.”

Joan Frawley Desmond is the Register’s senior editor.

#4 - Wed Aug 15, 2012 10:25 PM EDT

Like I said, Paul Ryan is a good practicing Irish Catholic man. One his bishop is proud of as are most catholics in the USA. Takes one to know one: I know Paul Ryan is a good catholic. And his bishop is in agreement with me. There is no higher approval one can recieve from his own diocesan office & bishop. I know, I got one from Bishop McGuire in Springfield in the mid 80's. It's an honor.

Learn a catechism lesson here, Paul Ryan exemplifies what it means to be a good practicing catholic as a political figure. I told you, TRMS & Blog author are lying to You. Misrepresenting the facts about Ryan. It's all speculation and conjecture coming from Maddow & Co.

Time for one more game of Madden 13.

#5 - Wed Aug 15, 2012 10:42 PM EDT

If he's a good Catholic, then Catholicism is doomed... and also ignores the Bible completely.

#5.1 - Thu Aug 16, 2012 1:25 AM EDT

You want scripture, the Bible?

How about this passage:

Thou shalt not bare false witness against thy neighbor.

You adhere to lies that a pattened liar tells you on TRMS and demand scripturally dogmatic and accurate adherances. That, when they are staring you right in the face by the life Ryan lives and projects from his office. Even his bishop attests to that fact and you still remain blinded by the TRMS lying machine.

Yes: your imposed conjecture here attests to the fact I expressed, this is an example of the Maddow blog faithful who are ill imformed, that by the injection of false stories - credits-and misinformation dispensed by a misleading antagonist who has no credibility nor has she earned any standard of reason or trust worthiness. Maddow is a committed political hack mistress. Who by design relays her stories by articulating one lie after another.

Tell a lie enough times and people will believe it.

Tell the truth and people in Maddow's audience here, will deny it exists. Pathetic.

Truth: Paul Ryan is a faithfull and catholic in "good standing" according to his own bishop. Bishop Morlino has given you all the truth.

Again, from the bible: In the garden when tempted by the serpent who said to Eve, "Did He really say if you eat of the fruit you shall die." "He is lying to you." "Surely if you eat of the fruit you will become like Him, Gods".

#5.2 - Thu Aug 16, 2012 4:10 AM EDT

I adhere to the truth, unlike you or Ryan. The Bible is as valid as the other mythology on my shelf, and Ryan follows each equally well.

1 vote

#5.3 - Thu Aug 16, 2012 12:30 PM EDT

Patrick Blodgett

Shut the @!$%# up, you @!$%#, no one cares about your stupid bull@!$%#. Go post somewhere else, or kill yourself. Preferably the latter.

Oh, I forgot I can't swear here. I told you to shut the f uck up and called you a c unt, just so you can keep it straight, you dumb f ucking c unt.

#6 - Wed Aug 15, 2012 10:54 PM EDT

JohnMesserly

What are you talking about?

Oh. You are responding to a troll? I have no idea what they are saying and the thread is very clean because their messages are hidden.

Recommend you put trolls on ignore, and not feed them. Click their name, and then in the upper right corner of their newsvine page, click ignore user.

Then, no more troll.

#6.1 - Thu Aug 16, 2012 1:14 AM EDT

Cindy-3358832

There's a poll suggesting that Democrats, especially the moderate Clinton liberals are just pretending that they like Obama, would never-ever vote for Mitt Romney but would absolutely sit out the 2012 election out of frustration.

#7 - Wed Aug 15, 2012 11:01 PM EDT

Let me guess... Fox poll, or Rasmussen. Certainly not any real, reputable firm, because it's complete horse@!$%#.

1 vote

#7.1 - Thu Aug 16, 2012 1:26 AM EDT