Robertson is also a liar.

Thank you for the laugh.

As my gramma used to say, the wind blew, the crap flew and left you. And she WOULD have said it to Robertson, too.

Good point, DAY, we all have the power to move crap, so y'all better watch yer step!!

I am of the opinion that everyone who had losses from Hurricane Isaac should contact Pat Robertson for compensation of damages.

Maybe then, he would be required to make a public apology for making complete and utter bogus statements about his "powers".

Every day we see how religious supremacism leads to psycopathic arrogance.

The Moral Majority is neither!

Every day we see how religious supremacism leads to psychopathic arrogance.

The monotheistic religions are most susceptible to this. By their very nature, merely to be different from them is to be not only wrong, but heretical.

Pat Robertson and Jesten Peters manifest clinical symptoms of megalomania, in the name of a religion that holds Hubris to be a deadly sin.

American Muslims gather to promote political discourse, the foundation of democracy, and a group of "pro-American" Christians oppose them because of differences in theology. So-called "Operation Save America" really wants to save an "America" that's dominated by it's own version of christian theology, which suppresses anyone with different views. The DNC should not have given into them.

The Moral Majority is neither!

What POWER those prayer groups have! If a few thousand could move a hurricane

imagine millions praying to:

Create jobs

End poverty

Heal the afflicted

Stop wars

How deluded. As much so as believing YOU alone built your business. You see republicans tea baggers in particular are thee PROBLEM with customer service in America from wal mart to McDonald's etc..... They have deluded themselves soooo far down the road to believe THEY pay themselves sell there product or service to themselves and live well off of themselves..;]

Your CUSTOMERS have a HUGE a rather LARGE hand in building "YOUR" business. Without patrons you have ZIP zero zilch, nada! Remember that when you ACT like you do it all yourself. Because you don't you wont and NEVER will, NOT in America. We are all in this country together bone heads...[which refers to every humans skull that houses brilliance in ones brain]

Cheers

Headline if MaddowBlog were FoxNation:

Preacher Robertson admits to killing 2 in New Orleans

Re: #2

I thought you were kidding, but no....................

This is so stupid on sooooo many levels!!!!!!!!!!

Only a tiny fringe will actually believe stuff like that. The rest are aggressively malicious and will seize on it as a lie they can really love.

Come now, did the Republicans open their event with a mass or some other religious event? It seems it's the Democrats who are exploiting religion.

Even for you, Blank, that was unusually asinine.

I'm a Christian Democrat. For Pat Robertson to claim he has the power to move a hurricane away from Tampa is as ridiculous as me saying I have the power to create the hurricane that delayed the start of the RNC.

You should know better. Robertson claims God has that power. Robertson just made a request, no?

You better watch out because I have the power! The power to make idiots believe that is.

I guess since the hurricane still hit the USA and did damage is not relevant? Oh they just wante a safe convention but still hate America!

It's obvious you folks don't have much experience with religion. Robertson can't tell God what to do, so obviously those heathens in New Orleans did something wrong deserving of punishment. Democrat spin machines are primitive compared to those of religion.

More self-serving lies from The Blank. He knows full well, of course, that we have more than enough experience with religion and religious people, but won't hesitate to pretend otherwise for his nefarious propagandistic purposes.

Shooter242 - Which religious zealot reinvented God? When I was taught the teachings of God it was that he loved ALL his children, we learned tolerance, forgiveness and love. The God I learned about and worship brings great comfort.

Today's religious zealots have reinvented God made in our image with our ugliest characteristics. You and your zealots make God out to be hateful, intolerant, unforgiving, vengeful, how do you find comfort in that God?

There is no level so low that the GOP will not stoop to it.

bagel, they will be subterranean soon, if not there. Like moles, eyes are closed and a little ostrich-y. What else can we think if they want to go back, cannot look forward? There are not many young folks flocking to R's to look back fondly toward a gone-by time in memory. They get fooled into that by saying stuff like it's for everyone… but I can only find anti labor sentiment. That Tweet by Cantor solidified that suspicion. Labor Day is the day we honor those business folks (but, but, their employees make up L A B O R). Business folks are not evil, but they are NOT what this GOP stands for. Eisenhower called the current Republicans stupid for going after working labor unions. I agree quite a bit more with Eisenhower than ANY Republican since then. The Gipper was an avid union buster (after being 5 time President of the Screen Actors Guild-union). http://www.conservapedia.com/Ronald_Wilson_Reagan

There isn't really much to say about Christianity that has lost any sense of helping their neighbors, not just the ones they like. So unions would be very similar to that concept. In an effort to make life better for others, working together to improve to lot of the many.

There are many Biblical admonitions to help the needy and elderly. Even loving your enemy. The GOP have allowed in a serpent that convinces them, never mind all that stuff Jesus said, read Ayn Rand. She will lead you to the light… Well, maybe it would make you feel better about being selfish and lacking compassion. Yes, watch GOP twist and squirm at the word empathy.

Where does it say that?

Where does it say that?

There is many more Gospels about Jesus than just in the Bible, check out earlychristianwritings.com it is among the gospels.

The line is Saying 114 from the Gospel of Thomas:

"Simon Peter said to them, 'Make Mary leave us, for females don't deserve life.'

Jesus said, 'Look, I will guide her to make her male, so that she too may become a living spirit resembling you males. For every female who makes herself male will enter the domain of Heaven.'"

The Gospel of Thomas may well be the best-known book from the corpus of Christian writings that did not make it into the Bible itself. Because it is simply a collection of sayings without any biographical material (no birth, no resurrection, no miracles, etc.), scholars speculate that the book might be older than the Biblical Gospels. The complete text was lost until it was discovered in a Coptic translation in Egypt in the 1940s, as part of what is known as the Nag Hammadi Library. It is now available in several English translations; I'm quoting the version created by James Patterson and the Jesus Seminar.

The website that Deb referred to contains no fewer than nine translations of the Gospel, and also includes a compendium of scholarly commentaries on the document as well as comments by users of the site. The commentary page on Saying 114 can be found here:

http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/thomas/gospelthomas114.html

And here's another one to puzzle over--Saying 7:

"Lucky is the lion that the human will eat, so that the lion becomes human. And foul is the human that the lion will eat, and the lion still will become human."

Personally, I'd choose Plan A. (And what does lion taste like, anyway? Like chicken, I guess.)

That is a pretty cool one about the lion Scholar1890.

Can we send them the clean-up bill and the funeral costs (5 deaths I just heard)?

Perhaps FEMA should place these people at strategic locations where the hurricanes are predicted to hit shore. Give them some real incentive to grovel. See how that works out.

I can hear the prayers now:

Dear God, please move the path of this storm so that it hits the people who were most recently traumatized by a terrible hurricane, just so we can have a good time.

Why didn't they pray for the hurricane to dissipate before it made landfall?

Are the people along the Gulf Coast who are the victims of this natural disaster unworthy of their prayers?

And does this mean we can we blame these evangelicals for all the damage that Isaac has caused?

Whatever blame would there be for them to take?

These fine white bible believing gun toting conservative Republicans sent the storm along to New Orleans where there is both a long history of Great Sin and a Great Number of Negroes.

Beep! Beep!

So let me guess...

"Please god move the hurricane to Louisiana so it wipes out Bobby's voucher schools and we don't have to deal with that epic fail."

My sentiments exactly! As she says gleefully," they moved the hurricane", did she even consider tha,t assuming that was possible, they put thousands and thousands of people along the coast of Louisana, Mississippt and Alabama in harms way? I am fed up to three feet above my head with these evangelical Christians and the insanity they throw out into the world. Idiots!

To quote Larry the Cable Guy:

Even after the 2010 Super Bowl victory of the New Orleans Saints, I have noticed a large number of people, implying with bad jokes, that Cajuns aren't smart.
I would like to state for the record that I disagree with that assessment.
Anybody who would build a city 5 feet below sea level in a hurricane zone and fill it with
Democrats who can't swim is a damn genius".

It's funny cuz they're black!!!

I'm still waiting for Robertson (or some other Christian conman) to explain what God meant with those tornadoes in Joplin MO.

That depends on whether you are talking about Christianity in theory or practice.

How many evangelical Christians (I call them ev'al, because there's nothing "angelic" about them) forget to ask "What would Jesus do" or "What would Jesus say" at times like this? I wonder what Jesus would say of their pompous posturing and compassionless bigotry, while others are literally drowning in their homes. Their smugness is a disgrace.

Pedophiles always blame the victims by saying they knew what they were doing and were seducing their predators. With Groeschel's opinion piece saying exactly that, I daresay he's also a pedophile.

Perhaps the Catholic Church should stop being a arm of the Republican Party and start focusing on the problems within the Church. Deal with this Cardinal Dolan and not just by transferring him. His comments are appalling.

Oh come on, I see children all the time and they want it! (/sickening snark)

This is similar to the class warfare canard of the GOP.

Was Sandusky a closet Priest?

No, he wasn't a priest, but he got around the "how they were dressed" argument by getting them in the shower.

National Catholic Register has since taken down Groeschel's piece

As yet, however, no "take down" of Groeschel.

;-(

I disagree. Religion is an effort to find comfort in the face of death.

religion has an authority which, in a vacuum, organizes us.

Religious people have destroyed the idea of God in a way no agnostic or atheist can ever do.

I would like to suggest that some pseudo-religious have done more to destroy the image of God. There are people who truly live their spirituality. You can tell them by the fact that they don't throw it in your face, don't stand on the podium claiming God's power and simply do kind, compassionate things for others.

Pat Robertson is an Orc.

amen

At this point, you have some convincing to do that he isn't. Oh, you didn't mean Pat...

This is fairly evident from the Bible itself. What kind of loving God would torture Job just to win a bet?

Yes, the Book of Job is one of many moral horrors in the various books known as "the Bible".

and Louisiana will vote republican......

If these people are responsible for moving the hurricane, and someone gets injured or killed, doesn't that constitute some kind of crime?

If they take the credit, they also have to accept the blame.

They would just keep making up excuses to themselves more godly some how , and everyone else is lowly and deserving of gods hate , even if the people being killed or abuse , appear to be in the same godly category as them , they will claim there must be something sinful going on with THEM some how some way ... disturbing to witness , and fatal if your the person they have chosen

This is what you get when god is nothing more than your own overly inflated self absorbed ego , which is basically what a conservative christian is

If they take the credit, they also have to accept the blame.

Since when?

That would be ok, just as long as Pat does not have to debate Jesus. Pat knows and understands Christianity and if you read the teachings of Jesus, it is obvious that he must not!

A valid point , he is now the king of the gop , does ruling over the rest of america , i e satans children who are just going to hell any way , really matter after that?

Mitt Romney is Mormon's White Ass Horse!

LOL , Rollins Band rocks

"Treat is as such and we'll all get along just fine."

Or get treatment!

"One day, as the years of your life weigh in on your youth, you will reflect on your career and feel the weight of the damage you have wrought on our country with your slanted words spoken from the corners of your mouth and your one-sided opinions."

I don't blame you for turning off the television completely. There is something to be said for a counterweight in media outlets to the "conservative" white people fear mongering going on 24/7. While I'll agree with many of your characterizations (Mathews, Schultz and gawd only knows why - Sharpton), an otherwise educated cabal should be something to celebrate.

Chris Hayes (the little green kid who tries) and two other disingenuous black racist women?

Will you feel the weight of those words and the damage that it inflicts on our country? Will I for not being able to stomach Ed Schultz or Chris Mathews, nor Rachel herself for restating the obvious (7x) on her show just in case somebody missed the obvious? Answer: No.

This country is divided, but the battle lines will again fade because the battle is between the Old, "White" way and the possibility that little green people who try might in fact usher in and make a difference. All things will work out the way that they do. Turn off your television, I did. The only reason I'm here is because of Steve Benen, the hardest working political blogger on Gawd's green internetz.

You might want to take off the blindfold when you watch her show. There's a big bunch of hate wrapped up in your post. Not to mention cluelessness.

The only thing Rachel has wrought on the world is a much better and deeper understanding of issues. She does the kind of investigative journalism that used to be much more common before print and broadcast media outlets fell prey to big budget cuts and consultants' "audience building" plans.

Feel free to turn off MSNBC. Go back to Faux News Channel. You'll be much happier there. They cater to the "conservatives are wise and wonderful, liberals are knaves and fools" crowd.

And this folks, is what Rush Humbaugh® would sound like with a college education.

He's spent all his life lecturing women, and now there's one who's tall enough to look him in the eye--maybe taller--and not lose her cool (he's doubtless depended on that one in the past), and he can't handle it.

The absence of evidence is evidence of a troll post.

Bruce, you are delusional!

Loss of privilege makes people angry.

Put facts in the mouth of a professed liberal and they're condemned. Place a lie in a conservative forum and hear it defended.

It's as simple as that.

I have been watching your show for almost a year now and am appalled at your completely one-sided commentary on so many issues. You sound a lot like my daughter - naiive and immature - full of hard research but completely unable to interpret it in a balanced way. You probably went to school during the 1980s or early 90s. That in itself explains your intellectual handicaps.

Okay you do realize that naive and immature are perspectives yes? You are complaining here about one-sided interpretation. But then you immediately contradict yourself by presenting analysis that is one-sided and biased towards you and away from someone else. I love the idea of calling someone else intellectually challenged while simultaneously ignoring your own logical fallacies and how they influence your thinking. It's as though you believe you are the logical conclusion of the universe and therefore you get to dictate truth outward. Since that's not the way it works unless you're god (assuming there actually is a god) you're completely out of your league.

That aside, I have to ask myself how you will approach the DNC - Will you miss the point of the convention as badly as you did the RNC in Tampa? Will you 'fact check' the speakers every phrase as you have done with the RNC speakers? or will you leave that to the biased republican media.

What point did she miss? What facts (since you put it in quotes) did she get wrong? Wherein do you presume it's her responsibility to represent your perspective, but not her own?

Rachel, you unfortunately contribute to the divisiveness of this country at a time when solidarity is crucial to the survival of the USA. You champion big government and public dependency on it blind to the histories of big governments.

Okay a. your two sentences here are not related (why were they in the same paragraph???) and b. you do realize that you're calling someone out as being divisive and then are immediately attacking that person and their position (i.e. you're being divisive). You are again being hypocritical here. First you call someone stupid without paying attention that in doing so you are also being stupid. Now you call someone divisive without paying attention that you are being divisive in doing so. Apparently it's OK as long as you do it? Isn't that being one-sided, immature, and naive???

I see you, amongst others, as part of a growing problem - reflecting the worst qualities of cold, unfeeling flim-flam artists who speak glibly but without true comprehension or understanding, seeing and examining the trees without the understanding they are in a forest

But you're doing the same thing here. You're oozing with hatred at this person whom you're verbally attacking (making you cold and unfeeling) without true comprehension or her position or understanding of her arguments. You are examining trees here without realizing there's a forest. Again hypocrisy.

making your self-serving rants impotent in the real world.

...and you can't see the irony in making this statement?

One day, as the years of your life weigh in on your youth, you will reflect on your career and feel the weight of the damage you have wrought on our country with your slanted words spoken from the corners of your mouth and your one-sided opinions.

First of all Rachel Maddow is 40 years old- she's not exactly in her "youth" anymore. Secondly what damage has she done to her country? What has she done that is so horrible, awful, and vile that makes you feel this way about her?

I've seen enough. I am turning off MSNBC, and FOX News and will return someday to a better channel with hope that one day I might see a humanistic news show that understands how to interpret the facts.

You want people to interpret facts all the while ignoring the fact that you aren't using facts in your own diatribe. Has it ever occurred to you that you're problem with Maddow isn't that she's factually wrong, but that she isn't saying what it is that you want to hear? In which case it's not that she's wrong, but that you're so narrow-minded that you can't get over your own perspective.

MLJones,

Oh, I'd say juicyBrucey knows what he is doing and is mainly a sanctimonious phoney.

Cartoonthenews: Amen, amen and AMEN!!!!! Thank you so much for your cogent and beautiful rebuttal. I wish I had written it. Kudos!

Bruce -"You can't handle the truth!"

Stupid enough to think that Romney and Ryan are just kidding.

Pot, kettle, black!

It's like when people go to a steak house and complain because they were really hungry for Italian.

You Democrats are such @!$%#s! Always calling people names!

....how is this not satire?

John-j1,

In your opinion, what has Obama done right in his four years of presidency? What about the Democratic platform do you agree with, or you feel overlaps the Republican platform enough that we can work together for the betterment of this nation.

John, let me offer a small bit of advice to you and Bruce. If you get upset at hearing liberal commentary on events, then don't watch liberal commentators. It is really simple. Maddow, Mathews, Sharpton, Hayes, Wagner, etc make no excuses about being liberals. Go watch "Fair and Balanced" Fox Noise if it makes you more comfortable. I have watched the folks on MSNBC for quite a while. What I find refreshing, if at time disagreeable, is that they are willing to Democrats to task.

But, keep this mind; there is a big difference between offering a liberal perspective on the RNC policy positions or statements and either totally ignoring lies and misrepresentations (like most networks) or acting as a propagandist for the RNC (Fox).

Ronin...,

People (?) like juicyBrucey do a lot to show why (to paraphrase a better Republican than any of the current lot) this country cannot endure half conservative and half non-conservative.

Because you're using a red herring while simultaneously entirely misrepresenting the argument.

The discussion here is about the prayer being for something damaging to happen to someone else. No one would give a damn if they were praying "God please bless this convention" (which would've been an actual comparison between the two instances). Instead one person is praying that God causes destruction and chaos and possibly kills people, whereas the other is praying that God helps them pass a piece of legislation that they believe will help others.

The only thing disingenuous here is your argument.

Well done, Cartoonthenews!!!!

Well, Cartoon, you might have a point if they were praying, "God let this hurricane hit here, cause destruction, and kill people," but that was not the prayer. It was to be spared. I'm not saying their prayers were answered or not, but they were not praying "that God would cause destruction and chaos and possibly kills people."

Are you saying that if a tornado was heading towards someone's house it would not be a good thing to pray, "God, please spare my house from this storm"? Hmm.

But, if we go with your argument, then no one is making fun of prayer or God's ability to intervene. The posting is saying that's okay or even possible, so no need to ridicule. Okay.

Let's be clear about something. The god these nuts were praying to is about as real as Santa Claus or the Easter Bunny. But, if he did exist and he did control hurricanes and he could be influenced by one group of groveling morons to redirect the storm to kill another group of people, that makes him a bit of sociopath.

What spared Tampa was high pressure system. It is the same meteorological feature that has turned two other storms away from the east coast.

Ronin, while I don't totally agree with your view of God, I do agree with what "turned" the hurricane. My point is that no one here ridicules the Left for praying to the same God you describe, only the Right. Thanks for your comment.

But, if we go with your argument, then no one is making fun of prayer or God's ability to intervene. The posting is saying that's okay or even possible, so no need to ridicule. Okay.

What the hell are you even talking about? You made the false accusation that people were being hypocritical or at least disingenuous for sounding outraged that the people in Tampa prayed the hurricane would not hit and stall the convention, but that it go somewhere else. I will touch on that latter element next. YOU are the person assuming intervention and mockery. That isn't factually true. YOU are misrepresenting everyone else in your argument and now you're rebuttaling by stating that my correction of YOUR misinterpretation must be avocation in favor of X or Y. No it's not. Fact checking you is NOT a counter argument. You have a huge ego problem Rob. You assume that you interpret everything correctly and that you never mischaracterize what other people are saying (when the opposite is usually true). I was explaining to you that no, your interpretation is wrong.

What people are getting upset about isn't necessarily the idea of intervention from god, but the idea that you'd be thankful that god sent problems away from you and to someone else. To use your analogy it's like praying that your house doesn't get destroyed in a tornado only to learn that your neighbors house will be the target and you say "yay! it's going to destroy their house and not mine!" Has it ever occurred to you that the complete selfishness and heinousness of this act could upset other people? This does NOT implicitly mean that people believe god did the act, but rather that people are outraged at the IDEA of it.

Additionally seriously you've never heard of satirical hyperbole before? Fine then I'll take the partisan route and say that nobody on the right has any sense of humor *eye roll*. Great job, Rob #sarcasm

My point is that no one here ridicules the Left for praying to the same God you describe, only the Right.

And my point is that this argument is a complete and utter straw man.

Only in the mind of an evangelical theist does someone mocking the idea of a god being so selfish and stupid as to send a hurricane to cause other people problems while you party automatically equate to a partisan belief that the conservative god is bad and the liberal god is good and that this all necessitates belief in a god from the get-go.

Jesus Christ please safe us from your "true" Christians. They're two stupid to know the difference between you and their ego (apparently).

Cartoon, I do see the side you present. But, one can be thankful he or she was spared while at the same time being grieved that others were not. Again, not taking sides on whether God would act on the prayer or not, it would be a very selfless person to pray, "God, if the tornado has to hit a home, then let it hit mine."

If you agree with the last statement, then it would seem very human to pray that your home be spared even if it meant another one was not. But, I guess this is really not the focus of my original comment.

I think Ronin represents what I was trying to say. Many here believe that God is make believe and that it is useless and even stupid to pray to him for anything. I just don't see the negative comments directed on those on the Left who may be praying for things with which you and others agree. That's all...

If you see this as a straw man, so be it.

"And my point is that this argument is a complete and utter straw man."

As the straw man/false equivalence king, Robbywobby uses those and other fallacies quite aggressively. He has a looooong, unsavory history on this blog.

I think Ronin represents what I was trying to say. Many here believe that God is make believe and that it is useless and even stupid to pray to him for anything. I just don't see the negative comments directed on those on the Left who may be praying for things with which you and others agree. That's all...

Because you selectively read posts for those that reinforce what it is that you want to see reinforced. Trollop as an example mocks religion openly and hasn't discriminated. He's not the only one. In fact there's a couple people here who have fought over whether all religion is bad or some can be bad. But you don't pay attention to that because it defies your purpose. Your purpose is to attempt to point out hypocrisy on the left, I guess because doing so makes you feel better about hypocrisy being existent on the right? I have no idea. But it's selective editing Rob.

But even as much your point here is a red herring. You're not addressing the issue of the blog you're making up a fake argument and then railing against that. If the segment I quoted back there were true then WHY would you not wait until someone commented and then make your stance? If you are so convinced that people are going to do it then surely you did not have to wait for it to be done?

But, one can be thankful he or she was spared while at the same time being grieved that others were not.

Then why wouldn't you wish that the hurricane goes away instead of going somewhere else? She states expressly that they prayed the hurricane go somewhere else. She didn't specify a populated area or a non-populated area. So maybe she meant it as in the middle of the ocean. Or maybe she just meant somewhere else that wasn't Tampa. If the latter is true then she was knowingly praying that someone else be hurt by the hurricane as long as it wasn't her.

But secondly why would she not be in front of the camera expressing her grief? She didn't do that either now did she? You are assuming she was grief stricken. Do you have evidence of this? You cannot extrapolate that from the clip above. I have noticed something from reading over your past blog postings: you are VERY willing to give the benefit of the doubt to those you see like you (conservatives, Republicans, Christians), but you are all too willing to be narrowed and judgmental towards those who you don't see like you (liberals, Democrats, anyone who isn't your particular brand of Christianity).

In this instance you're giving this woman credit for things she didn't say or do with the evidence provided. You're assuming X Y and Z when none of those things were shown. Oh she must just mean she's grateful to be spared. You don't know this; you assume this. Oh she must be grief stricken over those affected. You don't know this; you assume this. You have no evidence for it; you just assume it must be true. The blog isn't addressing what she might have meant: the blog is addressing what she said. She didn't express sympathy for the other places that were going to be hit (places that she would've known were going to be hit if she knew the hurricane was going "somewhere else"). She didn't express concern for those people. All she expressed concern for was the convention and taking credit for what is categorically called an act of god.

This is an argument I made earlier. You postulate a belief and then treat that belief as though it were fact in your interpretation. The blog asserted here a fact: the woman's statement. From that you extrapolate things that weren't stated so that it fits in with your world view. And then you accuse the blog of being biased or liberals of being biased or this or that on the basis of there not being a reinforcement of your belief

RobDon and others, prayer to pass legislation that helps people access care without going to E.R. when it is too late. Requiring insurance to be opened up to more people and they hate that businesses over 50 employees… well, here:

http://healthreform.kff.org/the-basics/employer-penalty-flowchart.aspx

So, it's better to get more people on regular exams and treatments before it's way too late and pay for E.R. visits.

Honestly, I wanted single payer, which would border on socialism, but there are still insurance companies making profit with ACA. People still go to work at private businesses, not government run. I just think regulating is needed to cut the costs.

But yes, prayer for helping people in a bill would be preferable to praying for the taxes to be lowered further or prevent someone from voting.

But these folks did not pray for leaders, but selectively praying for ACA to not pass. But we read that we are to subject to our leaders, but there are folks praying to God to override the thing that was so demonized that our leaders got done, but those aims to repeal or block an already sanctioned legislation.

http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/12/religious-right-members-of-congress-pray-for-god-to-stop-the-health-care-bill.php

The ACA is nearly identical to Romney care and Dole's offering.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/12/health/policy/12dole.html

So now we have rebellion against this resulting ACA which was mostly the Republican business version. Those that pray are told they need to pray for our folks in authority first, so are these folks praying against what God wanted for us?

I just want to keep more people from being sick and dying like my brother did because he did not have health inurance. He died in the E.R. Is that so wrong that they would repeal what we have now and replace it with what and when?

No, Republicans wish to fool people into thinking they want to reform social programs, when they want to do away with them. I hear what they say, but they are dreaming if they think there are charitable doctors and hospitals that are so readily available for a reliable form of health care. They pass the costs along and we pay higher premiums for those that go to E.R. and cannot pay or take their house.

So let's just keep this ACA, much of which has been put into action. It's silly to think of repeal and replace when we already have ACA. We already have companies setting up and adhering to those regulations. 2014 is beginning of many of the ACA provisions and while we wait, people are going undiagnosed and untreated.

Good one

I think this is more a case of "Anti-Obamaism" being stronger than Anti-Mormonism.

Romney could be an atheist and he'd get the blessing of Huckabee and the evangelical flock as long as Obama is his opponent.

He could probably be an atheist and get a lot of anti-Obama support...but he would not be able to get on the ballot in Texas.

Article 1, Section 4 of the Texas Constitution states: "No religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office, or public trust, in this State; nor shall any one be excluded from holding office on account of his religious sentiments, provided he acknowledge the existence of a Supreme Being."

NeedMoreCoffee, yes, I take Obama at his word (which is really all we can do with anyone regarding their faith except compare their actions with their stated beliefs).

I watch TRMS and read things here because in many ways they are the opposite of what I believe politically. I try to respect a difference of opinion and at times, even here, have learned from those differences.

Dr. Maddow (as I've been corrected to say) is a brilliant communicator and I believe (because I don't know her personally) a very fun and very caring individual. I do think sometimes she (like those on the other side) purposely present a one-sided view because it reinforces their beliefs (I'm guilty, too, here I'm sure.)

I just wish there could be more constructive discussions of differences without everyone getting so defensive and attacking the individual instead of discussing the topic.

I appreciate you comments...thanks.

I just wish there could be more constructive discussions of differences without everyone getting so defensive and attacking the individual instead of discussing the topic.

...but you do this every single time anyone tries to correct you. Every single time someone says you are wrong about something you become an arrogant a-hole who sits on his high and mighty throne pointing fingers at everyone else. You aren't interested in a discussion so much as you are interested in submission. You want other people to nod their head in agreement and never say otherwise. You may think you want a discussion, but your actions speak differently.

You are shown to be wrong and when you are what do you do? Do you apologize? No. Do you acknowledge being wrong? No. In fact most of the time you have to be goaded before you'll even acknowledge that you agree or can at the very least see the other person's perspective. Yet you complain constantly about wanting civility. Has it ever occurred to you that you aren't acting civilly towards other people and this is why you don't see it in conversation?

Just some food for thought, but the whole Gibbs "never apologize it makes you seem weak" thing is meant to be a joke. If you're so terrified of someone thinking you're weak as to allow it to mold your behavior then you are, by definition, weak. That's why he says it. It's not a model for behavior. I mean honestly I've looked through your history and I can't find a single instance of you correcting yourself for an error. I even found a posting where you laughably claimed that you looked up Google maps and couldn't see people gathered around the location you were discussing and you were corrected by like 8 different people and even THEN you didn't share in the laugh and correct for it.

And by the way you often make postings in which you outright mock or attack liberals. You say things like "only in a liberal's mind does X make sense." And yet you whine that you want civility? Again has it ever occurred to you that people see this and think you're a jackass and this is why you get treated the way you do? Or are you so in love with yourself that you believe that you are beyond reproach?

I mean I'm not trying to be a dick here- hopefully this gets through your skull and you start to mitigate the way you behave so that we can have a civil discussion. The only reason why I'm being aggressive here is, hopefully, to exemplify your attitude through mirroring you. Maybe by seeing how you treat others you'll wake up and realize this isn't the way to behave.

Cartoon, I'm willing to give it a try. Let's see where it goes...

Cartoon,

Blob will never change, and I am glad that you call him out for his bull@!$%# and double standards.

People like blob are like robme and ryan: they are foul and cry foul when called out for it.

That is hilarious. LMAO.

Ronin. I actually had tears in my eyes reading that..The guy in the drive thru who was explaining what happened just cracked me up :)

HAHAHAHA

That's the funniest thing I've read in a very long time!

So this story might not be true :(...I am still checking is validity...Even if it is made up it is still HILARIOUS, and wouldn't surprise me if it was real...

Great stuff. I remember when Big Butter Jesus burned to the lake top!

Apparently the story is satire, though really funny. Thanks for the laugh!

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Very nicely done, though - I've added them to my bookmarks!

BTW, for anyone who didn't already know, in real life Wapakoneta, OH is actually the birthplace of the late, great Neil Armstrong.

;-)

I have driven past that giant jesus a couple of times on my way to and from the closest Ikea. I laughed so hard I had tears in my eyes when I read that it had been struck by lightning and burned up. So it is a little bit sad that this is a satire piece. I am sure in a few years there will be a giant melted jesus, struck by lightning (again) and melted into a grotesque, demonic shape.

Thanks Pretzelogic... I didn't research it right away because I was laughing to hard, and the Graven Image has been an eye sore, and traffic jam for years. So the thought of this happening didn't surprise me...Also the McDonalds referred to in the story is right next door to the Neil Armstrong museum.. My niece and I stopped there and I said "Let's go to the museum while we are here" It was closed :( but the man running it came out and told us to come on in, and gave us a personal tour..Really cool..It looks like a moon from the highway on 75..Check it out if you are near there its worth it.. Solid Rock Church will never learn by the way.. Still HILARIOUS :)