When was the last time a Christian group killed four people over a youtube video?

Other questions: How did the Consulate know this video was the cause of the protests, and who let the protesters into the embassy perimeter?

On April 19, 1995, one Christian man killed 168 people. I still don't know why.

As far as the video goes . . . we have the right to free speech, but there's something to be said for common sense. Just because you CAN say it doesn't always mean that you SHOULD say it.

Good god shooter, do you have to try to defend every single idiotic thing Rmoney does, no matter how inexcusable and false his statements are? Pathetic.

Poor Shooter. No, dear, no one says that these Muslims were correct in what they've done. They were lunatics, just like Christians who bomb abortion clinics. The bulk of theists aren't crazy murderers. However, some of them are of all faiths. From what I've seen from Christian groups, the only thing preventing them from killing others over their religion is strong secular law enforcement in the United States. There is no delusion that one religion is better than others and deserves to do such heinous things.

And nice to see you trying to create a conspiracy, with questions that will be answered after an investigation.

Shooter, tens of millions of people (if not more) have died over the last 2000 years in the name of Christ.

How do you respond to that?

I'd like to add that Christians have made death threats against a girl who wanted a prayer banner taken down from a *public* school. They made them from the comfy chair of anonymity. More evidence that Christians are not the innocents you might claim, Shooter.

These right wing "Christian" evangelicals are no different than Jihadists or the Taliban. They are anti-christians; they are full of hatred, and last I heard, Jesus wasn't about hate.

But beyond that, the organized monotheistic religions, Christianity, Islam, Judaism, are all a farce. They are man made entities that use fear to control people. They are bronze age superstitions that serve no real purpose in the 21st century. Mankind must relegate these fairy tales to the dustbin of history before we as a species can evolve. people do not need someone to tell them what to think and what to do; each individual is capable, and is responsible for that matter, to develop their own sense of spirituality, their own relationship with what they envision a creator to be.

Umm Shooter Scott Roeder who shot Dr. Tiller stated specifically that he killed Tiller because of Bill O'Reilly's chant "Tiller the Baby Killer." He also specifically stated that a conservative book prompted him to do the killing, but at the moment that book's name is escaping me. The point being Christians are motivated to kill people all the time.

The protestors weren't allowed into the perimeter. You are confused here. There were protests going on in Egypt (which the statement was issued over) that then carried over to Libya over a video that was aired on Egyptian television equating Muhammad to a child molester and a devil worshipper. The protests were not in correlation to the attack.

Someone used the opportunity to assault the embassy after protests started in Libya, but as far as we know the protesters themselves were not involved in the attack. It is believed- as of right now- that a terrorist organization brought the information of the video to fundamentalist groups in Libya in order to rile them up enough to use the cover of the protest. The AP, Reuters, Fox News, ABC News, BBC News, and MSNBC are all stating that the attack used the protests for cover and for this they believe that a. manipulation was involved and b. that this was a planned attack that was likely going to occur regardless.

Protesters were not allowed on embassy grounds. People launched an attack against the US embassy stormed the grounds while people were protesting in the streets.

Although since you could never tell the difference between OWS protesters and a rape happening in a park where there were no OWS protests, I don't expect you to be able to discern the difference here. Your mind is made up that everything Romney does is right and everything Obama does is wrong.

And yet you claim that you are here for truth. Eyeroll.

Israel is behind this, one way or another. Why? -Because Israel is the party to which the greatest political and diplomatic benifits result from these developments.

Besides, a self-identified Israeli Jew made the film which was used to create the diversion -under cover of which the embassy attack was made. Put 2 and 2 together.

Spare the anti-Semite rhetoric Kiev. BTW My Jewish great grandmother ,Libby, who I am suppose to resemble was from Kiev, Ukraine and I find it a wee bit insulting that you make the above statement using that name place as your moniker.

Am I a Zionist? NO! I think Netenahu and the Likud party are complete jerks. In my lifetime I have had more dealings with Israelis than you will ever have. From the time my family supplied date shoots to the Agricultural Department from a date farm my family use to have in the Cochella Valley to a Christian Arab-Israeli cinematographer who I worked on a shoot with (shoots to shoot you might say).

You used the words "self-identified Israeli Jew" want in the world is that suppose to mean?! Any Tom, Dick or Harrycan say the are an "IsraeliJew" and not be one. Personally I think it maybe a right wingnut behind this but that is just speculation on my part. So I have finished my rant which is a lot shorter than your usualtomes. So I am now expecting a 500 + word response from you.

MariaBlumberg:

You give me too much credit. The identifying comments I made about the film maker are a direct quote from an article at Haaretz, an Israeli newspaper. See headline and sub-head quoted and linked below:

***Israeli filmmaker in hiding after anti-Islam movie sparks deadly Libya, Egypt protests

Film by Sam Bacile, who self-identifies as an Israeli Jew, led to protests at the U.S. consulate in Libya and the U.S. Embassy in Cairo; one American staffer killed in clashes.***

Link:

http://www.haaretz.com/news/middle-east/israeli-filmmaker-in-hiding-after-anti-islam-movie-sparks-deadly-libya-egypt-protests-1.464459

It is true that anyone can claim to be Jewish or Israeli. It is also true that the name (Sam Bacile) used by this person is probably a fake pseudonym. But I didn't make it up as an antiSemitic label.

More to the point, I'm not blaming Jews for this, I am blaming Israel and the agents of the current Israeli government headed by Bibi Netanyahu.

It is Netanyahu who benifits from these events of Islamic violence which undermine the standing of the US and the legitimacy of president Obama. It is Netanyahu who desperately needs to see Mitt Romney defeat Obama in the coming election. Otherwise Israel will not have US backing for unilateral measures it intends to take after the Palestinians request and receive UN recognition as a non-member state. Specifically, Israel intends to annex a large swath of the occupied West Bank, and Obama will not support this. Romney will.

I am not anti-Semitic. Painting me with that word does not change the facts, nor will it change the fundamental truth of who benifits from this. If you follow that trail, you will unavoidably come to the same conclusion I have.

Kiev

Looks like you wrong about everything. Do you think Netanyahu is in cahoots with this right-wing Coptic Christian?

http://www.cnn.com/2012/09/13/world/anti-islam-filmmaker/index.html

Oh and I take back calling you anti-Semetic.

Well thanks for taking back the anti-Semitic label. I'm sure another one can be fitted in it's place.

I understand the person has been identified as Nakoula Basseley Nakoula. As the article indicates, he initially self-identified as an Israeli Jew. If that and his originally stated name (Sam Bacile) are also lies, then we are left to follow the logical trail of motivations to determine why this story blew up just 60 days before the US election.

Here I'm still feeling pretty confident that I am correct. Repeating a portion of my previous comment: I am blaming Israel and the agents of the current Israeli government headed by Bibi Netanyahu.

It is Netanyahu who benifits from these events of Islamic violence which undermine the standing of the US and the legitimacy of president Obama. It is Netanyahu who desperately needs to see Mitt Romney defeat Obama in the coming election. Otherwise Israel will not have US backing for unilateral measures it intends to take after the Palestinians request and receive UN recognition as a non-member state. Specifically, Israel intends to annex a large swath of the occupied West Bank, and Obama will not support this. Romney will.

In addition, any regional uprising that causes violence against US interests makes an Israeli attack against Iran easier to justify, -and we already know Israel is desperate for justifications to make such an attack.

By the way, to your knowlege, were any attacks made against Israeli consulates? As nearly as I can tell, these attacks have been directed solely against US embassies and consulates. Consider: -if islamic fanatics were really behind this, you'd think they would have a list of Israeli targets or Jewish-owned businesses to hit. Am I right? After all, these people would be just as happy to see Israel burying Jews as they would be to see Obama bury US diplomats.

But this does not appear to have happened. Attacks were made only against US targets. That would be very odd for stereotypical Islamic fanatics.

Now, if you wish to argue that Coptic Christians have some diplomatic motivation to back these events, go for it. I'll be happy to hear your argument.

After further reading, it appears that attacks have been made against US, UK, and German targets. Odd.

And it seems it was those three countries, the USA, the UK, and Germany, that counseled Israel against making a unilateral attack against Iran.

I'm just saying...

In any light, Mitt Romney is unfit to be president.

This is becoming increasingly obvious. I hope it one day becomes at all obvious to the voting public.

This enhances Romney's election prospects. People are tired of Obama and his disrespect of Israel. They're tired of the Middle East in general, and they're tired of Obama suppressing the domestic production of the only thing that makes the ME relevant.

Obama can protest till the cows come home, but he still looks to be leaning Muslim.

Shooter you must hate the President only half as much because he's only half black.Otherwise your attack could have been much worse,you could have said he was leaning mormon or evangalist.

Did you know that Romney wears pink lace underwear and prays to the moon goddess on alternate Thursdays. He also sacrifices kittens and puppies to St. Reagan on the 3rd Sunday in June.

See, shooter, I can make sh!t up, too.

as always, hilarious lies, Shooter. Obama has consistently supported Israel. And hilarious that you need to lie about how Obama has somehow restricted the domestic production of oil and gas, when it's up, the highest since 2003. I'm sure you'll be like other liars and claim that Obama had nothing to do with that. How nice ot make up lies to suit yourself, that the "market" is responsible for when soemthing good happens but Obama is responsible if something bad does. Amazing on how you think a president can just throw a magical switch.

Nice to see you also bearing false witness too, Shooter. I do love your ignorance and hatred when you accusing Obama of "leaning Muslim". Please do show where he is Muslim at all.

<blockquote>To show Mitt in the best possible light, one can conclude he is ignorant of history.</blockquote>

To show Mitt in the best possible light, one can conclude he is ignorant. There, fixed it for ya.

life on this blog has been much nicer since I blocked shooter. You can do it too!

S242, did you not read the article by Benen and all of the responses by the Republican Presidents and Vice-Presidents who have challenged anti-Muslim actions by any American? Religious intolerance is not acceptable to Republican or Democratic Presidents, which as Lawrence would say, "Mitt Romney will never be."

No religious liberties were infringed. In fact the Muslim propensity for death and destruction seems to be facilitated by the left. Why is that?

"other faiths" also take offense when they're "religious liberties" are being infringed also.

Show me modern day any "other faith"driving planes into buildings, decapitating, acid throwing , and general killing when they get "offended". A crucifix gets dropped in piss, sure people get upset and may even protest. To defend these actions for even a second as taking "offense" is beyond stupid.

Who has defended the attacks? And don't say the President or Secretary Clinton - you know that's not true.

Violence against abortion clinics by the American Taliban. You're welcome, Eric.

Eric, if Christianity was the official religion of the United States, do you think that Christians would only get "upset"? Or if they had the chance,would they harm others who offended them? We have Christians bombing abortion clinics, attacking homosexuals, etc. It is only by a strong secular law system that does not show favoritism that we don't have more of this theist violence.

Violence against abortion clinics is denounced by the Church, this violence is not. Tperky, nothing in the link you posted is tied to the church in any way. Anti-abortion does not equate to pro-bombing, sorry. By the way this mob was 2,000 strong, not a lone disturbed nut case.

It is only by a strong secular law system that does not show favoritism that we don't have more of this theist violence.

Right, because the church rewards the abortion bombers like Muslims do suicide bombers. They preach violence every Sunday, and if there were no laws to hold them back they would rise up and kill non-believers.......do you read what you type or just any silly notion that comes into your head you put out there?

Who has defended the attacks? And don't say the President or Secretary Clinton - you know that's not true.

I was referring to Zora explaining these people were "offended" enough to kill and burn.

Eric, all Muslims are of the same bent as the 9/11 terrorists the way all white males are of the same bent as Timothy McVeigh.

Eric (the half a bee)

What do mean by "the Church" there are many churches in this country and all over the world. Please be specific.

In 1972 at the Munich Olympics, Israeli athletes were kidnapped and massacred by?

In 1979, the US embassy in Iran was taken over by?

During the 1980′s a number of Americans were kidnapped in Lebanon by?

In 1983, the US Marine barracks in Beirut was blown up by?

In 1985 the cruise ship Achille Lauro was hijacked and a 70 year old
American passenger was murdered and thrown overboard in his wheelchair by?

In 1985 TWA flight 847 was hijacked at Athens, and a US Navy diver trying to
rescue passengers was murdered by?

In 1988, Pan Am Flight 103 was bombed by?

In 1993 the World Trade Center was bombed the first time by?

In 1998, the US embassies in Kenya and Tanzania were bombed by?

On 9/11/01, four airliners were hijacked; two were used as missiles to take
out the World Trade Centers and of the remaining two, one crashed into the US Pentagon and the other was diverted and crashed by the passengers. Almost 3,000 people were killed by?

In 2002 reporter Daniel Pearl was kidnapped and murdered by?

I understand that all Muslims are not extremist and or terrorist. If it wasn't a film that incited this (which now it looks like the attack was planned prior), there would have been another "reason" for them to take offense. I do applaud BO for his statement this morning.

Eric, all Muslims are of the same bent as the 9/11 terrorists the way all white males are of the same bent as Timothy McVeigh.

Right, Timothy McVeigh was a lone nut job, the 9/11 terrorist were a large organized group. You do see a difference.....right?

Right, Timothy McVeigh was a lone nut job...

@!$%#'s statement translated: "When a white christian performs an act of terrorism, it is a lone nut, but when a dark skinned non-christian performs an act of terrorism ALL of THEM are terrorists.

You're welcome, @!$%#.

this violence is not

What the hell are you talking about? Both the Egyptian government and the Libyan government came out and apologized to the US and pledged support for the US within a half hour of the protests starting

By the way this mob was 2,000 strong, not a lone disturbed nut case.

No. You are confusing the protests with the attackers. The protests were over an entirely unrelated incident; the attack was a planned assault (more than likely by Al'Qaeda or a similar, but regional terrorist group) that was to take place on 9/11. It is believed the group who launched the attack manipulated people in Libya after an Egyptian television network stupidly aired clips from a video made by a right-wing evangelist here in America. The video depicted Muhammed doing things like molesting children. That sparked the protests in Egypt and then this spilled over into Libya. It's believed the spill over happened because the group launching the attack needed a distraction so they reached out to a bunch of fundamentalist (read right wing) groups in Libya to get them riled up and protest. Once that happened the group had covered. The attackers themselves were counted in the dozens, not thousands.

ALL of THEM are terrorists.

Dummy Edmond, never said that, and even wrote the opposite, Show we where McV worked with a group.

Eric! (the half a bee)

Again please let me know what is "the Church" you are referring to when you say "the Church" has denounced acts of violence against abortion clinics and doctors.

Thank you

Maria (the no bee?)

Catholic Church has been the most vocal I think:

http://www.catholicculture.org/culture/library/view.cfm?recnum=5300

Eric (the half a bee)

Thank you for stating it is the Catholic Church. I have had many people refer to their own denomination as "The Church". BTW the half a bee part is from a Monty Python called Eric the Half a Bee. For some reason anytime you post that song comes into my mind.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NVhXkQu5_Ig

It's not meant as an insult. In fact Eric the Half a Bee is one of my favorite Monty Python songs. My favorite being Sit on My Face. And no you don't come to mind when I hear that song. ;-)

Locals.

As is the case in most diplomatic enclaves. U.S. Marines are only involved in a few embassies.

In Benghazi, it was a small DSS team and Libyan local forces, as the building was a consulate, not the more buttressed embassy.

I'd sure like to be a fly on the wall to hear what our NATO and UN allies are saying to each other about Romney. It can't be good. Probably something along the lines of "Oh no - Bush III!"

Romney is Bush 2.0, he is using the same advisors, saying the same crap about tax cuts for the wealthy. Only difference is Bush had Cheney pulling his strings, keeping him from looking like a complete a$$, well some of the time. RomneyEqualsGWB20.com

I'm with you, TCinLA. The evening after Netanyahu, an avowed proponent of Romney, rattles his saber, and this attack happens, followed very soon ( before midnight, before the facts were known) with Romney condemning Obama. Just now, NYT released a bulletin saying that the Libya attack appears to have been well organized. There is a stinky fish here. At the very least, I think the Israelis are stirring the pot to get Romney elected,who will declare war on Iran. The radicals of all faiths make me want to hear John Lennon's, "Imagine no religion..."

I'll second everything you said. However, I would request confirmation links for info on your allegation that the movie was made by a "former Israeli intelligence agent and Likud activist". This will either be the story of the year, or just another honey trap like the one conservatives set to destroy Dan Rather.

We need to be damn sure before we send in our Special Ops forces to knock down doors and round up suspects. Ahem... (points) Bibi's house is THAT WAY.

This man has been running for this office forever, it is obvious he hasn't a clue, why didn't he prepare for the actual job. Think about it , the financial part with his taxes, his handlers for the dismal convention, his complete lack of foreign policy cred, total lack of, as Bar2 so correctly stated, diplomacy, statesmanship, & common sense. He has relied on money to solve all his problems. You can almost hear him thinking. (In the end my access to money will win it for me.) If he is right we are all screwed. Money is his God & always will be.

There was one? - Cruiser ("Stripes")

I spoke too soon . They all took the Shooter bait . Its like Rodger Rabbit when the villain does Shave and a haircut two bits and he can't resist

It's remarkably easy to deal with He Who Should Not Be Named: click on his avatar, go to the newsvines page where on the right hand side you can click "ignore this author" and our favorite fire hydrant marker is a cloud of electrons.

Done!

Wow, that was easy. Thanks for the tip. He who can not be named is Collapsed. No apology.

Yes, that is so recent and timely, good job. How about something in the last 5 years, 10, 20, 25? For them the answer is yesterday.

How about something in the last 5 years, 10, 20, 25?

GW Bush calls "war on terror" a "crusade"

Recent enough for you? Trying to turn an already difficult set of circumstances into all out religious war is really not helpful...

Vulture/Voucher 2012
Proving Two Rights DO Make a Wrong!

;-)

So by that logic Eric! you're judging them simply because they are in a different time-frame than we are? How highly prejudice of you. Thanks for you condescension- I think I'll get my fill somewhere else, though.

Trying to turn an already difficult set of circumstances into all out religious war is really not helpful...

The attacks on the embassies were motivated by Muslim groups....for those that can't comprehend I did NOT say ALL Muslims.

So by that logic Eric! you're judging them simply because they are in a different time-frame than we are?

What are you talking about? The Crusades happened hundreds of years ago, you know that right? Are you saying that you are comparing today's Christians to ones that carried out Crusades? Today a organized group of Muslim extremist (not all, I have to throw that in there for those that are challenged with reading), attacked and killed, not generations ago.