When Paul Ryan was added to Mitt Romney's ticket in August, many assumed the campaign would get an immediate infusion of wonky substance. After all, we were told, the right-wing House Budget Committee chairman has a unique expertise in policy minutiae. Finally, the Romney campaign would start filling in the details of its vague agenda.
Seven weeks later, how's that working out?
For those who can't watch clips online, Ryan sat down with Chris Wallace on "Fox News Sunday" yesterday, and the host asked about the cost of the proposed Romney-Ryan tax cuts. Ryan denied independent estimates of a $5 trillion price tag, but refused to answer several questions about his own estimate.
Eventually, Wallace grudgingly conceded, "I have to point out, you haven't given me the math." Ryan responded, "No, but you, well, I don't have the time, it would take me too long to go through all the math."
I see. So, Ryan wants you to believe a Romney-Ryan administration can slash tax rates, increase defense spending, increase entitlement spending, and reduce the deficit -- all at the same time -- and it'll all be paid for in a revenue-neutral way.
How? Ryan could tell you, but he doesn't "have the time."
In fairness to the far-right congressman, I'm not unsympathetic to the challenge of explaining complex budget policy in the middle of a television interview. But the larger point is, neither the candidates nor their advisers have "had the time" to explain their arithmetic problem in any setting, ever.
Ryan has been on the ticket for seven weeks. Romney launched his 2012 campaign nearly two years ago. It would "take too long to go through all the math" during a Sunday-show interview? Fine. When might the campaign be willing go through all the math?
If the answer is "maybe after the election," I'm afraid they're missing the point of a campaign.
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For God's sake...this has been their mantra thru the entire election. 'I could tell you, but it would take too long'...on EVERY issue. And then turn and attack the President for being a wonk and taking too long to answer questions. Yes, he's a winner.
Why don't they just respond with, I could tell you, but than I would have to kill you. Really, I am tired of being told by Romney/Ryan - just buy as pig in a poke. Thank you but NO.
Also, Paul Ryan can turn invisible and fly through the air if he wants to. He just doesn't want to.
It's a shame we don't have some kind of audio/visual technology that would allow them to say, post a detailed explanation on-line that everyone could read. That would sure save some time wouldn't it?
Maybe one day our technology will get there ...
Sounds a bit like Pelosi on Obamacare - "You have to vote for it to find out what's in it"
But that isn't what Pelosi said now is it turthspeaker? She stated that they (referring to congress) would have to vote for the bill in order for you (referring to the general public) to understand what's in it without the influence of partisan media. If you are going to quote her you need to take the entire sentence. Not only are you misquoting the snippet of her sentence that you are quoting, but you're not even finishing her sentence. You're simply taking the first half and pretending like the last half doesn't exist. The irony here, of course, is that if that was the case (the implication you're making) then you wouldn't have to manipulate her words. You could just quote them verbatim. The fact that you can't quote them verbatim suggests that you're the one manipulating information. Your name is so Orwellian I'm having a good chuckle ;-)
We must give Ryan a break, he cannot be expected
to come up with a Lie that quickly, Chris should have
given a list of questions A-La Palin.
LOL I was a little nervous that when Ryan was picked, the Beltway media would fawn all over him because he grants interviews and does not duck questions. Boy was I an idiot, Ryan was Romneys secret 6th child, a complete natural at telling mistruths and dodging legit questions.
Quit putting your spin on it MSNBC and show the whole video. Better yet, how has Obama's plan worked for us. Of course you fail to mention anything about a president you favor. Media bias is alive and well and because of your lack of truth, you've falling to 3rd in the news rankings. How's it feel looking up at Fox news who's ranked 1st? I'm not saying their not biased, but they at least have more commentators from both sides than all the democratic news stations combined. Because of this, those that follow this crap on msnbc are blind to the truth and have no chance of ever coming back.
Well, it was working just fine till the GOTea took over and took their plan of complete obstruction worked out in Jan. 2009 to realization in 2011.
Boehner's GOP House obstruction => Boehner's GOP economy and unemployment of 2012.
You ought to love it. You've got what you wanted. Republican economics at work.
We won't know for sure until we try it.
You've had 4 years with two of those years the dems having full control. So again how is Obama's plan working for us? Please think about things before you speak. The truth hurts with simple facts.
Funny your reply says nothing just you running from Ryan's words "or lack of them"lol
As for the 3rd in news rating is as silly as the Fox cable loyalist puffing up their chest saying Fox cable is #1 in news.
Fact cable news is the least watched. Fox cable being #1 takes less then one percent of Americans watching at any given time.
Reality 99% of Americans have better to do with their time then watching Fox cable.
Your last boast is fuzzy lol as again was Ryan on answering the questions.
Wrong again, shhit-for-brains:
President Obama DID NOT control Congress for Two Years! | The Pragmatic Pundit
More like 7 weeks.
And apparently you're reading comprehension suffers. We don't know how President Obama's plan is working because it hasn't been allowed to pass. By Republican obstructionists. But we do know how the Republican plan is working: since Republicans took over, the economy has responded just like it always does when their policies take over: stagnant.
Dalilama10, if you're serious, stop it, you read like an idiot. If you're goofing, stop it, you read like an idiot.
Disgusted, the first two years the dems controlled the house and senate. That's a fact. Quit trying to put the blame on republicans and do something about it. You've had 4 years and nothing valuable has happened. The health care is a joke and you know it. Quit asking for handouts and earn it like our parents and grandparents did. Quit spinning the truth about Libya and own up to your mistake. There's more crap coming from this president and if he gets re-elected we will be worse off than we are now.
And Slappy, I am serious. Sorry if I will never see it your way...the wrong way. But it is America and we have the freedom of choice, regardless of each others views.
Sorry, pal, but apparently you haven't heard about something called a filibuster. And unanimous Republican obstruction. You need to educate yourself before you can make any valid points.
Just like I said: Dems had about 7 weeks. Read it and weep:
President Obama DID NOT control Congress for Two Years! | The Pragmatic Pundit
Being a Fox-educated wingnut ignoramus is no way to go through life.
Dalilama10, So you know how the filibuster works in the Senate then.
Sorry whatso....but fox news is #1. Ratings are published all over the place and if you had something better to do, then why are you here defending the lies of msnbc. Maybe because you're a hypocrite and because this is fun to get a rise out of you folks. I'm enjoying it...Are you?
I do, but it's the same tactic the dems did. It works both ways you see and if the dems will play that card the republicans will as well. However the dems failed to make their valid points and showed huge holes in each bill they tried to pass. Look at the national debt for an example. It keeps growing and growing and growing. But that's the republicans fault right? Give me a break!
4 years and nothing to show for it but a screwed up health care law that forces companies not to hire anymore. It's time for a change!!!
Dalilama10: The first thing I thought of when I read your first post was, FILIBUSTER MUCH!
How do you explain Mitch McConnell's, " our single most important goal is to make Obama a one term president???" When the country is falling apart at the seams with unemployment, financial meltdown and TWO FRIGGIN wars, that's the most important goal!!!!
Sickos, make you proud?
Dalilama10, OK, good, you know how the Senate works. And you also know that if 40 Senators refuse to allow a bill to be voted upon, it doesn't get a vote. And if 40 Senators refuse to allow a bill to be debated, there's no debate. And the amount of filibusters since 2007, when Dems regained the majority, have spiked to record setting level previously unseen. And the fewer bills that come up for votes, the less Congress gets done, which means the fewer bills can be voted into law. 2007-2010 saw about 25% of all the filibusters Congress has seen since 1919.
You know all this, right? Because you're so scary smart? Not smart enough to know Democrats didn't have a supermajority for 2 whole years, but smart?
For the record, I'm assuming you don't believe half the idiocy you type but are just being a goofball, but for the actual idiots who may be reading, I'm treating your messages as if you were serious. In other words, I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt. You're welcome.
You still haven't learned anything.
- No, it's not the same tactics the Dems did.
- Valid points? As if Republicans, intent on obstruction, are the arbiters of "valid points" on legislation to address the economic and fiscal mess brought about by 30+ years of failed conservative economic ideas and policies? Sorry pal, here's what happened: Republicans, before the inauguration decided to obstruct everything the President would try to do -- ON EVERYTHING.
- National debt? Hahahahahahahaha.... 100% Republicans fault.
- Screwed up health care law? You mean the one that is the result of Republican ideas, hasn't been implemented yet, and is projected by the CBO to decrease the Republican deficits? The one ignoramuses like you claim costs jobs but doesn't?
The ACA doesn't cost jobs:
- FactCheck.org : A ‘Job-Killing’ Law?
- Political Animal - Barrasso, Hatch can’t help themselves
- Sorry, The CBO Did Not Say Health Reform Kills 800,000 Jobs | The New Republic
- FactCheck.org : GOP’s ‘Job-Killing’ Whopper, Again
Keep thinking the national debt is our fault. If elected and 4 years goes by and the national debt is growing, what will you say then, that It's both the Bush's fault. One sided mind is killing you dude.
And yes the dems pulled the same crap while both Bush's were in office. Get your facts correct.
Slappy, the fact of the matter is, your side and my side refuse to work together. When you controlled the house and senate, you made it a point to put bills through with very little help from the republicans. Therefore filibusters were put in place to take a stand. Sorry but it does work both ways. If you want to throw out bills without working both sides, you will get filibusters. Quit using that excuse and do what you promised.
Global...the views of one man doesn't speak for the millions of republicans. He should be a one and done president because he is not the correct man to lead this country. Clinton was a good president and his wife would have done a much beter job. In fact, I would have voted for her over my party. However the country wanted a black man who can speak well when the time was right....except for the past few weeks when Libya pulled a terrorist attack on us and your president felt it was more important to boost his image with talk shows.
It's been fun folks....thanks for the laughs!
This is not a surprise: You are wrong, again:
Debt is the Republican's fault (if I were as dumb as you, I'd simply look at the pretty picture in the first link; that's probably all you'll be able to understand):
- Off the Charts Blog | Center on Budget and Policy Priorities | What’s Driving Projected Debt?
- Economic Downturn and Bush Policies Continue to Drive Large Projected Deficits — Center on Budget and Policy Priorities
- CHART: Spending, Taxes, And Deficits Are All Lower Today Than When Obama Took Office | ThinkProgress
- How the Deficit Got This Big - NYTimes.com
-PolitiFact | Viral Facebook post says Barack Obama has lowest spending record of any recent president
And nope, Democrats didn't obstruct like Republicans scorched-earth policy (if you're not careful, I'll have to whip out the play-by-play history of all this):
Important Votes:
Republicans followed through on just saying no to everything for political gain and for denying Obama political "victories" and not caring one whit the effect on the country.
GOP Obstruction: S-CHIP (Signed 2/2009)
Senate Vote: 66 – 32; GOP votes: 8
House Vote: 290 – 135; GOP votes: 41
GOP Obstruction: ARRA - Stimulus (Signed: 2/2009)
Senate Vote: 60 – 38 ; GOP votes: 2
House Vote: 246 – 183 ; GOP votes: 0
GOP Obstruction: PPACA (Health Care Reform, ObamaCare) (Signed: 3/2010)
Senate Vote: 60 – 39; GOP votes: 0
House Vote: 219 – 212; GOP votes: 0
GOP Obstruction: Dodd-Frank (Wall Street Reform) (Signed: 7/2010)
Senate Vote: 60 – 39; GOP votes: 3
House Vote: 237 – 192; GOP votes: 3
GOP Obstruction: Extended Unemployment Benefits (Signed: 7/2010) (Can't even extend unemployment?)
Senate Vote: 59 – 39; GOP votes: 2
House Vote: 272 – 152; GOP votes: 31
GOP Obstruction: Small Business Jobs Act (Signed: 9/2010)
Senate Vote: 61 – 38; GOP votes: 0
House Vote: 237 – 187; GOP votes: 1
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GOP Obstruction: DISCLOSE Act (Signed: No. Filibustered)
@3.19: "It's been fun..."
Hahahahahaha... You got your a$$ handed to you.
Dalilama10, because everyone knows you're still reading to see tempers flare and cyberteeth gnashed, your whole argument about the filibuster is asinine and incorrect, based on a flawed premise that does not exist in this reality.
You have a President who has publicly stated numerous times, in various speeches including in States of the Union addresses and when he was accepting his re-nomination to be re-elected President: "I want to work across the aisle to find solutions for our nation's problems. It's important and the people expect us to try to find common ground."
You have leaders in the Republican party who have publicly (when they knew they were being recorded) and privately (when they thought cameras weren't running) stated numerous times "we refuse to work with this President, and any progress will be done without our help and we will actively try to block any progress from being made, because we know some people are stupid enough to blame the President entirely, OR AT LEAST blame both parties for any lack of progress. Either way, if Obama loses any support, we will accept that as a win and campaign on it."
And to that end, idiots like you say "both parties are to blame, they refuse to work together."
So thanks for proving both the GOP and H.L. Mencken correct, you bold truth teller you.
It won't do any good. Facts and actual historical events are not relevant in the Dalibubble.
When Dalilama10 begins a post with "the fact of the matter is" you already KNOW you're going to get another shovel full of bullsh_t. The conservatives who took over the Republican party have a highly scripted narrative, and use key words like "Liberal democrat", "Activist Judge" and "the fact of the matter is~". Dali~ cannot comprehend how transparent those comment appear to those of us who left the Republican party preceisely because of people like Dali-. I wonder how much Dali is being PAID to post those inane comments above?
Damn Dali, keep this up and Obama-Care will be fully funded on increased Blood-pressure cases alone!!!
I AM THE ONE ARGUING FACTS HERE!!!! See how I don't link to any articles asserting my facts?! That's because I know the real truth! Not that liberal truth told by the media! You can't trust the media they all lie to you! Well except for the media that purposefully lies to me in order to fit my own pre-conceived notions of truth! But I assert that this is the true truth since they pander to my paranoia and emotions! I'm the one being logical here! It's all Obama's fault he's a terrible horrible awful person and he's a Muslim and I don't know what it is that I'm afraid of but I know Obama's to blame! I don't need to know what Romney is going to do in office! I just need to know that he's not a black man!!!! If I put more exclamation marks in this sentence it will make it more true!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
#snark
Seriously you can't make this stuff up
How in the name of all that is right is this a close election? How? This should be required viewing. By not answering questions, Ryan answers it all.
And the answer is, there is a percentage of the American people who despise our President....period. With all of the passion and vitriol they aim toward our President Obama, I felt the same way about their boy, George "W" and his puppet master, Dick Cheney.
I heard 15% of the voters are undecided. Undecided for what reason? What percentage of undecided voters side with the incumbent? Challenger?
Have Maddow bring Ryan on, tell him to bring all the charts and graphs and spreadsheets and ... -- whatever he wants, -- and give him the entire show to educate the world how it would all work.
Make sure the agreement with Ryan and Team Mitt stipulates the show gets to keep copies of all his source material he brings to make his argument.
That punk Ryan would never go on Maddow's show, or any show on MSNBC for that matter. Twit wouldn't either, but he's always got his lying face on FAUX NEWS.
He's been on ABC, CNN, and CBS. All those stations favor the dems. I wouldn't touch MSNBC with a ten foot pole if I were Ryan because they lie and spin the truth to favor the dems. If they don't, they get fired. Why did Tucker leave MSNBC....because of all the BS lies he had to hear.
How About that Fox News Station - because they are so bi-partisan right?
Fox News contributor Elaine Chao according to Fox this was until 8/29/12:, Fox didn't disclose that Chao is a national chair of Mitt Romney's presidential campaign. News Corp., the parent company of Fox News, recently nominated
Chao to join its Board of Directors. Chao is married to Senate Minority Leader
Mitch McConnell (R-KY).
Fox News contributors John Bolton and Walid Phares, and Fox regular Jay Sekulow, no disclosing they're Romney advisers. Fox News contributor Pete Snyder is the chairman of the Republican Party of Virginia's 2012 coordinated committee.
Well maybe not so much - they have a little extra bias there now don't they?
Yes, of course. It would be cool (and hilarious) if Maddow made a point of inviting him EVERY night till the election, though. (Like Letterman to Mitt Romney.) Offer to let him bring any amount of material he wants. Just stipulate he needs to leave copies so that it can be fact-checked after he leaves.
So what is the counter-proposal? Raise taxes on the rich? There's not enough money. Lower tax rates on the middle class? Perhaps, depending on how the tax code is simplified. Scrap the SS tax ceiling? Perhaps. ACA? The costs are still not known. Raise the eligibility on Medicare? Perhaps. Defense? Even as a repub I believe deep cuts can be made. I would just like to see the Dem proposal.
Showing up on MSNBC with their Dem talking heads will not resolve the issue. Beyond Maddow. all the other talking heads will just yell. And, other than Baire and van Sustran, I'm not a fan of Fox, either.
Lott...if you missed the point, I stated that fox news was biased as well. However I mentioned that they are not so far to the one side like msnbc. For crying out loud all the news outlets are talking about it and msnbc and nbc are getting slammed because of it. Channel surf the news from now on to hear other views. It may expand your intelligence if you know how to work a remote control.
Sorry, folks, but you're just going to have to get your itty-bitty brains to understand that the deficts and debt are NOT the biggest problem the country has. As far as the fiscal situation of the country, it is the disastrous private health care system. Get those costs down to what other advanced nations pay, and the U.S. see fiscal surpluses.
Health Care Budget Deficit Calculator
And then's there's the unemployment situation that Republicans have intentionally manipulated to be as bad as possible in the hopes that Americans would be stupid enough to not notice:
GOP PUBLIC SECTOR OBSTRUCTION:
Republican obstruction at funding the public sector is costing 0.9 to 1.3 percentage points in employment. This is the opposite of what happened in other recessions in 1981, 1990, and 2000 when the federal government helped local and state governments. But Republicans in the House obstruct against.
GOP JOB OBSTRUCTION:
Republican obstruction on President Obama's American Jobs Act (AJA) is a scandal that costs another 1 to 1.3 percentage points, according to independent analyses of the AJA. Boehner's GOTea House will not bring the legislation up for a vote.
This whole Republican scandal is too huge to fathom in terms of human misery, but Republicans believe it can fool an irresponsibly inattentive and ignorant public.
GOPers continue sabotaging the economy! - and blaming Obama for unemployment...
- GOP House votes to repeal Obamacare: 37
- GOP House votes to name Post Offices: 60
- GOP House votes restricting women's rights: 67
- GOP House votes for American Jobs Act: 0
- GOP House "jobs bills" analyzed by independent sources to provide actual jobs: 0
Boehner's GOTea obstruction => Boehner's GOTea economy and unemployment of 2012.
YOU WANT LINKS? I GOT YOUR LINKS?
PUBLIC SECTOR AUSTERITY AND OBSTRUCTION BY BOEHNER'S HOUSE AND MCCONNELL'S FILIBUSTERS:
- http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/07/31/the-secret-of-our-un-success
- http://blogs.wsj.com/economics/2012/07/31/government-cutbacks-separate-this-expansion-from-others/?mod=WSJBlog
- http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/05/opinion/krugman-states-of-depression.html?_r=4&hp
- http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/ezra-klein/post/public-sector-austerity-in-one-graph/2012/06/11/gJQAv89NVV_blog.html
- http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/04/25/american-austerity/
AMERICAN JOBS ACT (AJA) AUSTERITY AND OBSTRUCTION BY BOEHNER'S HOUSE AND MCCONNELL'S FILIBUSTERS:
- http://www.americanprogress.org/issues/2011/09/american_jobs_act.html
- http://www.economy.com/dismal/article_free.asp?cid=224641
- http://blogs.wsj.com/economics/2011/09/08/economists-react-gauging-impact-of-obama-jobs-proposal/
- http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-09-28/obama-jobs-plan-prevents-2012-recession-in-survey-of-economists.html
- http://macroadvisers.blogspot.com/2011/09/american-jobs-act-significant-boost-to.html
- http://macroadvisers.blogspot.com/2011/09/updated-american-jobs-act-greater-than.html
Dalilama10 Excuse me - I may have been a little sarcastic, but I did not get personal and insult you in anyway. By the Way it is Lorr not Lott.
I do watch other media outlets and I also read various media sources. I am always amazed when I am personally attacked by someone because I share a different political view. 8 years ago Republicans did not react that way, we would just share views and agree to disagree, but this new Republican party only knows how to use attacks to make their point. Point gotten you are rude, disrespectful, and a Insufferable Prig - which defines you as a Republican.
When they become insulting, I become insulting. And NONE of them are going to beat me on the issues. None of them. So I rub it in. It's the only thing wingnuts respect. Because it's their only tactic.
What Dali and his or her ilk are doing and saying.... are NOT "Republican" values. I get being Fiscally Conservative.... But where I come from, we all work with the same set of irrefutable FACTS....
This new set of Conservatives plays fast and loose with "facts" and when the "facts" don't suit their narrative, they just.....make @!$%# up and call it "facts", knowing that if they repeat a lie often enough, it becomes accepted as truth.
DWIA- stop sharing facts they are making me think
I liked what Gov Chiristie said yesterday. Let's not just focus on Romney. He should give more details, but not minutia. But, let's also focus on Obama's statements. Several budgets, overwhelmingly defeated, even by his own party. He, also, gives no details. He proposes nothing but short term public service and infrastructure jobs. We've seen where that got us. Shovel ready? Temporary boosts to loocal govt.
I am dismayed why we can't admit we have a long term entitlement problem which we refuse to address. It is a myth to think we paid for them. Both Medicare and SS are ponsi schemes which were dependent on a larger base of people paying in and a shorter life expectancy.
I just wish the Dems would admit to the problem and propose an alternative. Let's get serious, people.
Maybe if the republican party wasn't such war mongers and tards, we'd have trillions to invest in our own country. How's that democracy working out in Iraq? Bushy Boy and Cheney got us into the mess!
Tom - First off SS adds nothing, I repeat nothing to the deficit - it is WE the PEOPLE that pay (thru payroll taxes) into the system. While you would like to believe that all of these programs are Ponzi schemes, the biggest Ponzi scheme would be suckering Americans into those "privatized Wall Street" accounts - so that when they have gambled your money away - your account is bankrupt and you better hope that your children love you enough to take care of you in your declining years!
While we can discuss ways to make these programs more solvent, the fact is all working Americans do contribute into them - they are not the welfare subsidies being gifted to the corporate elite!
The President has actually given details - hell he sent the Congress a jobs bill that they have yet to take up, between the House GOTP sponsoring legislation regulating my womb, and those other vacuous nonsensical bills not to mention their "vacation" away from Washington every other week - they haven't done NOTHING!
And maybe if Congress would stop raiding the SS trust fund, there would be more money in it than there currently is NOW! Frankly the GOTP not only hasn't learned any lesson from 2000- 2008, they are determined to repeat them and repeat them on steroids; they are not "leaders" nor have they shown any willingness to lead US anywhere but off the cliff that their handlers are building for US all!
It is not now nor has it ever been the presidents job to make the budget, in fact it is the houses job to control the purse strings. Why is it that republicans can't piss without having their dicks held for them let alone write a passable budget. Everyone knew those Ryan budgets were NEVER going to pass the senate let alone through Obama. They were so outside of what the American people need and want that I can only see it as a deliberate way to keep the budget question off the table, to not solve problems.
While you ask yourself why it is that republicans can't do their job without Obama holding their hands, ask yourself this...why would you accept a budget that does not cut spending, that doesn't cut the deficit and doesn't create jobs. It simply is a way to get to war with Iran and tax cuts for the wealthy. Economists have been saying just how bad Ryans plan is, that is why he isn't talking about it. The American people do not want Medicare to go and social security is simply a poorly constructed retirement plan, we spend our whole lives paying into it to live in virtual poverty. If that was a 401k, most people would be far better off but the government doesn't invest the money, they spend it.
This is a direct contradiction. Additionally if you're admitting that the president has presented budgets and other proposals then you are also contradicting yourself here. This is a red herring argument and it's pretty damn hilarious at how much cognitive dissonance you're employing.
Obama did not propose shovel ready projects. That is a term from FDR's administration that Obama said he wanted to pass, but was compromised away in his legislation. Instead the money Obama gave out was designated to the states for the states to use as they wanted. Governors like Chris Christie then used that money to balance their state's budget and give tax cuts instead of investing in roads, schools, etc. The problem with this was that Obama did not create a Jobs Corps at the federal level and did not administer the program with federal oversight. He allowed Republicans to control how the money was divided and that created a situation in which the money was misused. Remember less than half the stimulus had actually gone out when Republicans took control in 2010. They then used the rest of that stimulus to pay off the national debt. Remember also that 1/3 of the stimulus was in tax cuts. This argument shows that you are either willfully ignorant of the details of the stimulus or that you're willfully manipulating information to, again, employ a red herring and take pressure off Ryan. Ryan and Romney need to take personal responsibility for their policies and actions. Anything shy of this is excusing their vagueness. You don't get to do this simply because it's your "team" playing the field.
False premise. What is the problem and why is it a problem? You propose this as if it's true, but you haven't proven the premise as true yet. You want to 'get serious' yet you do not seriously address these issues.
False premise again. Medicare and SS were intended to be supplemental programs to assist people who were elderly or disabled with their own savings and retirement. At the time Medicare and SS were put into place the average salary of the US citizen, had it been maintained up to today, would be around 90,000$/year (combined income). Because wages stagnated once we got into the 70's this prevented wages from increasing at the rates that they were supposed to and thus meant that more and more people would need to rely on more money from these programs. This is a private sector problem: the private sector has been lowering wages and therefore this creates more dependency on government. If the private sector would raise wages then people would not need government assistance. You're excusing theft from the wealthy class on that of the middle and poor class and then labeling it a ponsi scheme. I do not think you know what a ponsi scheme is: both SS and medicare are revenue neutral programs portioned by government. They are not profit ventures and are not intended to be profit ventures (since they are government ran) which by definition makes it impossible for them to be a ponsi scheme (this is why regurgitating political talking points is bad- the talking points are often lies or misrepresentations of the truth).
You frame the conversation here as if these programs are broke when they are not. You frame the conversation here as if there's a huge crises and there isn't one. What is more you falsely frame the conversation as though cuts are the only option when in fact that isn't even remotely true.
So again: prove the premise. What problem, how is it a problem, and provide evidence for both.
" I don't have the time, it would take me too long to go through all the math."
Remember the Republican OUTRAGE over, "We have to pass the bill to see what's in it"?
Sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander.
The Ryan budget=so many poor, so little spit.
I think that the complete thought was "The devil is in the details. The angel is in the idea. Trust me, you are too stupid to understand the details if I told them to you."
If Ryan's plan made the least bit of sense, he would be all about the details with charts and power point. Romney and Ryan are both captives of a faith based economics that has nothing to do with how things actually work. We are in a world wide problem with a very noticeable drop in demand for finished goods. There is staggering overcapacity in the ability to produce and a shortage of orders for what is produced. We have all got to get beyond whom to blame and get busy with some solutions.
Infrastructure.... that's the plan, until the GOP slams it down and we're stuck with gridlock.
Completely agree with both of you.
Dalilama10: The first thing I thought of when I read your first post was, FILIBUSTER MUCH!
How do you explain Mitch McConnell's, " our single most important goal is to make Obama a one term president???" When the country is falling apart at the seams with unemployment, financial meltdown and TWO FRIGGIN wars, that's the most important goal!!!!
Sickos, make you proud?
Thats the crankyist Dalilama I ever read! All kiester-hurt by ratings on cable news networks. I had no idea someone so enlightened delved into such flimsy strawmen.
Ryan don't need no stinking math
He's sounding more and more like a vacuum cleaner salesman, than anything else.
Why can't Ryan answer Wallace's simple, direct question - how much do the tax cuts in his budget cost, and how are they going to be paid for? Is it that Ryan "doesn't have time" to explain it, or that he simply can't because when Republicans are in power, "deficits don't matter."
I've said it once and I'll say it again. Ryan looks like a kid wearing his dad's suit. Now, Rachel says they read "all" of these comments. I doubt it.
If you folks actually read these, then I'd like to hear my "kid wearing his dad's suit" comment tonight on the air. If not... well... keep going... politic on!!!
Its like buying a car. Some tell u anything and promise u everything unt u discover all the hidden charges that appear. Moral.......ask questions and skip the spin.
Golly Paul, just use vulture math to keep consistent with vulture capitalism and vulture vouchers. Simple and takes no time at all.
He has No time? We won't understand? I wish Mr. Ryan (and Romney) would *trust* the American people with our time and intellect.
But another interview Ryan had this weekend on Face The Nation, Nora O'Donnell was just to much for me. In this interview he said he had more foreign policy then the President did before office. Ryan said he he knows because he voted for men and women to go to war, have been to their funerals, have talked to moms, dads, and widows. This is his foreign policy experience! And the *way* he said it made my skin crawl. That "answer" discouraged me more then the non-answer.
I wonder how that would work in science. "I could tell you how quantum gravity can be explained by string theory, but I just don't have time to do the math."
Also: please, don't feed the trolls. They come to these message boards not to have an earnest conversation but to get a rise out of 'lefties'. Just ignore them. It's an effort, I know; I have been tempted too; but you'll feel better having done it.
No sir you are correct. We do not have enough time to wait as you seek some way out of giving us a real answer. We also do not have time to wait while you and Mitt continue to redefine yourselves as you see fit for the campaign. We do have time to realize that both you and Mitt have only one agenda-cut the tax on the wealthiest one percent. Well then again you also desire to make a fertilized egg cell a person just like Corporations and to get rid of SSI and medicare and the Obama/Romney care and all those little things that in reality you hope Congress will do if it gets a bigger majority of nutty republicans.
He can answer them, but he has been silenced by the Romney campaign, they know they would lose based on his budget alone.
His attitude has always smacked of superiority. I feel like he's thinking:
"Of course, I can explain it, but you and the American public are too stupid to understand it, so I'm not going to waste my time."
No, he's not thinking that. He's thinking about how he can escape being found out of being a fraud. Actually, he's already failed; many do know he's an economic and fiscal fraud. But not enough know it and the rank incompetence of the press is not making it well-known.
The question is how is he going to avoid these kind of questions in a debate setting, he is going to look dumber than Palin at the rate he is going.
Paul Ryan thinks torturing a human being is an effective way to get information but thinks torturing stats will lead only to the information you want the stats to say. I think he's got those backwards.
Great lets water board him for that information then ;p