Joe Conason watched the presidential candidates' debate this week, and had a reaction I could relate to.
"'It's not easy to debate a liar,' complained an email from one observer of the first presidential debate -- and there was no question about which candidate he meant. Prevarication, falsification, fabrication are all familiar tactics that have been employed by Mitt Romney without much consequence to him ever since he entered public life," Conason wrote.
Concerns along these lines were not uncommon yesterday. In fact, note David Gergen's take from Wednesday night:
"I think [President Obana] was so surprised, he thought Romney was just flat-out lying," Gergen said. And if the president was thinking that, he had good reason to.
Consider, for example, the 38th installment of my weekly series -- easily the longest of 2012 -- chronicling Mitt's mendacity.
1. In reference to the unemployment rate, Romney said, "The reason it's come down this year is primarily due to the fact that more and more people have just stopped looking for work."
2. On Fox News last night, Romney said in reference to the president, "[W]hat I find so offensive about his tax plan is by raising taxes on small business, as he does, he will kill jobs."
In reality, Obama has repeatedly cut taxes on small businesses -- by some counts, 18 times -- and if given a second term, his tax plan would have no effect on 97% of small businesses.
3. Speaking yesterday at the Colorado Conservative Political Action Committee Conference, Romney said, "this sequestration idea ... came out of the White House."
No, it didn't. This sequestration idea emanated from House Republicans.
4. In the same speech, Romney said Obama "spending more and more, borrowing more and more, putting us on a road to Greece."
5. In Wednesday night's debate, Romney said, "I don't have a $5 trillion tax cut. I don't have a tax cut of a scale that you're talking about."
Independent analysts determined the proposed across-the-board rate cut would cost $5 trillion.
6. Romney said, "I'm not going to reduce the share of taxes paid by high-income people. High-income people are doing just fine in this economy."
That's not true. The wealthy would receive a massive, disproportionate tax break under the Romney plan.
7. Romney said, "[G]asoline prices have doubled under the president."
To blame gas prices on the president's policies is ridiculously untrue.
8. Romney said, "I'm not going to cut education funding. I don't have any plan to cut education funding and grants that go to people going to college."
9. Romney argued, "Energy is critical, and the president pointed out correctly that production of oil and gas in the U.S. is up. But not due to his policies. In spite of his policies. Mr. President, all of the increase in natural gas and oil has happened on private land, not on government land."
10. On taxes, Romney said, "I do want to reduce the burden being paid by middle-income Americans. And to do that that also means that I cannot reduce the burden paid by high-income Americans."
This is ridiculously untrue (and more than a little incoherent).
11. On taxes, Romney argued, "I will not reduce the share paid by high-income individuals. I -- I know that you and your running mate keep saying that, and I know it's a popular things to say with a lot of people, but it's just not the case."
Yes, it is the case.
12. Romney said, "I will not reduce the taxes paid by high-income Americans."
That's slightly different than the other lie. It's also equally wrong.
13. Romney said, "I will not, under any circumstances, raise taxes on middle-income families." He cited "six studies" to back him up on this.
There's ample evidence that Romney will have no choice but to raise taxes on middle-income families and the six studies don't back him up.
14. Romney said, "I saw a study that came out today that said you're going to raise taxes by 3 to $4,000 on middle-income families."
The study is wrong, and that's not what it said.
15. Romney said on tax rates, "Mr. President, you're absolutely right, which is that with regards to 97 percent of the businesses are not taxed at the 35 percent tax rate, they're taxed at a lower rate. But those businesses that are in the last 3 percent of businesses happen to employ half -- half -- of all of the people who work in small business."
That's a new one. It's also not true.
16. Romney said, "[Y]our plan is to take the tax rate on successful small businesses from 35 percent to 40 percent. The National Federation of Independent Businesses has said that will cost 700,000 jobs."
17. Romney said, "What things would I cut from spending? Well, first of all, I will eliminate all programs by this test -- if they don't pass it: Is the program so critical it's worth borrowing money from China to pay for it? And if not, I'll get rid of it."
The implication here is that U.S. debt is financed by the Chinese, but this isn't true -- China only holds about 8% of the nation's debt.
18. In reference to how he'd balance the budget, Romney said he'll "get rid of" the Affordable Care Act.
This is incoherent and absurd. "Obamacare" cuts the deficit to the tune of about $109 billion over the next decade. It's simply incoherent to say you'll cut the deficit by eliminating a law, which would in turn increase the deficit. That's like promising to put out a fire by using more kerosene.
19. Romney said, "The president said he'd cut the deficit in half. Unfortunately, he doubled it."
Maybe Romney doesn't know what "double" means. The deficit on Obama's first day was $1.3 trillion. Last year, it was also $1.3 trillion. This year, it's projected to be $1.1 trillion. When he says the president "more than doubled" the deficit, as he has many times, Romney's lying.
20. Romney argued, "The president's put in place as much public debt, almost as much debt held by the public as all prior presidents combined."
He's said this before, but it's not even close to being true.
21. On subsidies, Romney said to the president, "[Y]ou say Exxon and Mobil -- actually, this $2.8 billion goes largely to small companies, to drilling operators and so forth."
Nice try, but no.
22. Romney said to Obama, "[Y[ou put $90 billion -- like 50 years' worth of breaks -- into solar and wind."
That's not quite right, and much of the $90 billion was appropriated by George W. Bush, not Obama.
23. Romney argued to the president, "[Y]ou said you get a deduction for getting a plant overseas. Look, I've been in business for 25 years. I have no idea what you're talking about."
Romney's admitted cluelessness notwithstanding, he's simply wrong to argue the tax deduction doesn't exist. It's real.
24. On entitlements, Romney argued, "[N]either the president nor I are proposing any changes for any current retirees or near retirees, either to Social Security or Medicare. So if you're 60 or around 60 or older, you don't need to listen any further."
That's demonstrably wrong. Under Romney's policy, the cost of prescription drug prices and preventive care for seniors would go up immediately -- for current and future retirees. For that matter, since Romney's plan hastens Medicare's insolvency -- soon -- seniors should listen closely.
25. Defending his Medicare plan, Romney said the idea originated in part with Paul Ryan and Sen. Ron Wyden (D-Ore.), "who's a co-author of the bill."
According to Ron Wyden, that's ridiculously untrue.
26. In reference to Dodd-Frank, Romney said, "[I]t designates a number of banks as too big to fail, and they're effectively guaranteed by the federal government. This is the biggest kiss that's been given to New York banks I've ever seen. This is an enormous boon for them.... I wouldn't designate five banks as too big to fail and give them a blank check."
This simply has no basis in fact.
27. In reference to Wall Street reform, Romney said, "It wasn't thought through properly.... [I]t's killing regional and small banks.
28. In reference to the Affordable Care Act, Romney said, "It cuts $716 billion from Medicare to pay for it. I want to put that money back in Medicare for our seniors."
As I suspect Romney knows -- he'd already endorsed these same cuts earlier in the year -- he's just not telling the truth.
29. In the next breath, Romney says of the health care law, "[I]t puts in place an unelected board that's going to tell people, ultimately, what kind of treatments they can have."
This is getting awfully close to the "death panel" argument, and it's not true.
30. Romney vowed to "sit down with Democratic leaders as well as Republican leaders -- as we did in my state."
That's wildly misleading. In his one term, Romney issued more than 800 vetoes, over 700 of which were overridden, and demonstrated a "relative disinterest in bipartisan collaboration."
31. According to Romney, congressional Republicans unveiled a "bipartisan" health care reform plan in 2010. "It was swept aside."
There was no "bipartisan plan" from GOP lawmakers. Romney just made this up.
32. Asked what he would replace the Affordable Care Act with, Romney's exact words were, "Let, well, actually, actually it's , it's, it's a lengthy description."
That's a lie. Romney's online description of his health care reform plan is just 369 words.
33. Romney said, "Pre-existing conditions are covered under my plan."
I really wish that were true. It's not.
34. Romney, offering "proof" that the president's agenda is "not working," said, "23 million people are out of work."
That's not true. As of the time of the debate, there were 12.5 million Americans unemployed.
35. In reference to public support for green-energy companies, Romney argued, "These businesses, many of them have gone out of business. I think about half of them, of the ones have been invested in, they've gone out of business."
As Romney's own aides later admitted, this is demonstrably false.
36. In a TV campaign ad released this week, Romney said "Obama and the liberals already have ... raised taxes on the middle class."
That's obviously untrue; Obama has repeatedly cut taxes on the middle class. In fact, Romney admitted as much just last week.
37. In the same ad, Romney accused Obama of creating "government-run health care."
As Romney knows -- his own state health care law served as the blueprint for the president's plan -- the Affordable Care Act relies on private insurers, and is not "government-run health care."
38. The same ad claims consumers will be forced to "pay more for your medicine."
Actually, the only change in the cost of medication came for seniors -- and "Obamacare" closes the donut hole to make sure they pay less, not more.
39. The commercial goes on to say the Affordable Care Act "includes a trillion dollars in higher taxes -- even on the middle class."
This is apparently in reference to the individual mandate. And if the claim is true, then Romney's Massachusetts law also includes higher taxes -- even on the middle class.
40. In his weekly podcast, Romney said Obama's vision of international affairs is premised on seeing the United States "as merely one among many nations rather than as an exceptional nation."
Obama is the only president in American history to publicly and explicitly endorse the principle of American exceptionalism.
41. Romney also argued "our moral standing has declined" around the globe.
No, it hasn't. Respect and support for the United States around the world has improved under Obama.
42. Romney went on to say Obama no longer supports "standing with Israel."
43. Romney also said the president "refuses to meet with Israel's prime minister, Benjamin Netanyahu."
Obama has met with Netanyahu many times.
44. He went on to say, hoping to draw a contrast with the president, "I will never apologize for America."
How is it possible the whole "apology" lie hasn't gone away yet?
45. At a campaign event in Wayne, Pennsylvania, Romney said the president is "planning on cutting our military by about a trillion dollars over the next decade."
No, he's not. Obama is planning to cut defense spending, on the recommendation of the Pentagon and the Joint Chiefs, by about $500 billion over the next decade. There are other cuts looming, but they were crafted by Romney's party and endorsed by his own running mate.
46. At the same event, Romney argued, "[T]he president adds about a trillion dollars a year to the national debt."
It's true that in recent years, about a trillion dollars a year to the national debt, but it's not the president who's doing it.
47. Romney went on to say, "Do you realize that our Navy is smaller in terms of the number of ships than any time since 1917?"
This one again? Romney dropped this lie a while back, but it's apparently made a comeback.
48. Romney also vowed, "I will not raise taxes on middle-income Americans."
There's ample evidence that Romney will raise taxes on the middle class.
49. Romney went on to promise, "I've got a plan. I've got a plan to help free people pursue their dreams and get this economy going. And the good news is this: It'll create 12 million jobs."
Putting aside the pesky detail that Romney doesn't actually have a specific jobs plan, the fact remains that if we do nothing, we're on track to create 12 million new American jobs over the next four years anyway.
50. Romney added, "I want to take that big cloud off of the small business world that's hanging over them. Three-quarters of them say they don't want to hire more people because of this cloud and that cloud is Obamacare."
Romney's referring to a "survey" conducted by the U.S. Chamber of Commerce if its members. The claim, however, is a misleading joke -- the Chamber, a pro-Republican lobbying institution heavily invested in helping Romney, put up an unscientific online survey. Treating this as a legitimate poll of businesses is fundamentally dishonest.
Previous editions of Chronicling Mitt's Mendacity: Vol. I, II, III, IV, V, VI, VII, VIII, IX, X, XI, XII,XIII, XIV, XV, XVI, XVII, XVIII, XIX, XX, XXI, XXII, XXIII, XXIV, XXV, XXVI, XXVII, XXVIII, XXIX, XXX, XXXI, XXXII, XXXIII, XXXIV, XXXV, XXXVI





Oh, and thanks again, Steve. You only have four more of these to write before Romney slinks off with a @!$%#-eating grin to one of his mansions.
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Statistically significant linear relationship between the week number in 2012 and the number of lies documented by the Maddow Blog: http://twitpic.com/b1cciz
Therefore, as we approach the election, more lies are being documented. One can argue whether the Maddow Blog is focusing more attention on documenting the lies or the raw number of lies is increasing or both.
Those first weeks look a little low to me. Doctoring the data? :-)
I would love to get the raw data. As opposed to me having to compile it for myself. I know you've done it, but I'm a 47%-er. You can't expect me to do it.
What is really disappointing is not that Romney outright lied on everything he said, but that Obama never once called him on any of the lies. It seemed as if he almost wanted to concede.
Maybe one should be voting ofr Warren Buffet or Michelle Obama as right ins!
I have to wonder if there are classes every elected or candidate for office has to take from Norquist or Rove on how to lie easily, how to have a mouth that won't stop running so that others do not get a chance to rebut your statements, how to constantly interrupt the person speaking and how to be extremely rude with no chagrin! That seems to be the one thing every Republican I have seen on television on any show where they have someone of the oposite thought who tries to talk- even when that person has facts to back up their statements, Republicans roll right over them in a way that would never be considered the right way to converse in any other situation. And that's what Robme did last night.
What I got from the presidential debate...as an artist...I saw it as being very representative of the distinction between classes....and as I watched Romney, and upper class attack dog...badgering Obama...the middle class guy with his head down and just barely getting a word in, it amplified how Romney's Republican party through their polices have bound the middle class financially for decades. And so....Obama, who represents...US...the middle class in this scenario, would, of course, be unable to lift his head or speak. Obama is the only hope the middle class has to survive...and he has relentlessly carried our burden.
I thought he was magnificent in the debate!
So my theory on all this bold face lying by Romney on main stream media outlets (including the debate) which he has actually been doing for months now, is that it is strategic, sinister and purposeful. It allows him to confuse or appeal to the middle of the electorate, the undecided or independent.
Then his campaign can walk it back on conservative media outlets and as it is picked up on even the left-leaning cable news/political formatted programs (through Maddow style investigative source gathering), where the viewership is more narrow and already polarized/decided.
I further believe that this is acceptable to his radical right wing base supporting him financially....as long as they still feel they have the 'secret hand shake' and the 'wink, wink' along with Romney's loyalty and commitment to their interests. After all, whatever it takes to win the White House...if even through being miss leading or deceitful!
Where's the buzz about Mitt's plan to kill off Big Bird. How heartless can you be.
Talk about endangered species, BB taught us how to care for our neighbors, forgive each other, and be responsible human beings. Save Big Bird, vote democratic all the way.
What I got from the presidential debate....as an artist...I saw it as being very representative of the distinction between classes....and as I watched Romney, an upper class attack dog, badgering Obama, the middle class guy with his head down just barely getting a word in....it amplified how Romney's Republican party through their policies have bound the middle class financially for decades....And so, Obama, who represents....US...the middle class in this scenario, would, of course, be unable to left his head or speak. Obama is the only hope the middle class has to survive and he has relentlessly carried our burden.
I thought he was magnificent in the debate!
Romney has set himself up big time...lets see him flip flop out of this
http://www.mormonwiki.org/Lying_for_the_Lord ...'nuff said?
Maybe they should have one of the debates from confessional booths!
Mitt's mendacity, like the Republican's mendacity, is only made by possible by the laziness, incompetence and stupidity of those folks who think they are journalists in the pay of the 6 corporations that own 95% of the media. How about making history courses mandatory for journalists, since most of them are as ignorant about history as they are about ethics.
I watched the debate and thought the President won...i was surprised by the consensus. I saw that the President had Romney cornered and in order to get out he had to lie and he was very good at it. My thought was that Romney didn't follow his so well prepared script otherwise his campaign wouldn't came out and do facts check on their own candidate
Did Mitt Romney bring notes to the debate? Take a look
http:// www.democraticunderground.com/ 101764408
Very interesting - I hadn't spotted that at the time. Thanks for the link!
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C'mon folks. That's the stuff of wingnuts and birthers. Besides, it's been debunked:
Debunking the ‘Mitt Romney Cheated’ Conspiracy -- Daily Intel
Unfortunately we have descended into an abyss of political chicanery where this form of political malfeasance is tolerated.
If this were 10 or 20 years ago...
if Romney had uttered these falsehoods and believed them to be true he would have been pilloried as incompetent to hold even the office of dog catcher, let alone the highest office in the land.
if Romney had uttered these falsehoods and knew them to be untrue he would have had his feet held to the fire to account for his deception, deceit, and dishonesty; cast out from civil discourse and polity forever.
The mainstream news of today and talking heads therein have become too timid to call a lie a lie.
Was it but a dream, perchance, that the once lauded integrity of the 4th estate is now forever lost? Is it too much to hope for the likes of an Edward R. Murrow again...
they need to check look at this link and see Mitt bring notes to the debate you judge for your self http://now.msn.com/romney-presidential-debate-cheating-video
See 45.2: http://maddowblog.msnbc.com/_news/2012/10/05/14246577-chronicling-mitts-mendacity-vol-xxxvii?threadId=3583116&commentId=70767075#c70767075
While watching the debate, I posted 40 comments between FB and Twitter, on every lit I caught. I was close to this list....
Does this ASS really believe we will 'take his word for it', and not fact-check, and thereby elect him? REALLY?!?
Can we hook them both to polygraphs next debate? I have a feeling Obama's machine won't short-circuit, like Romney's would.....
Polygraphs rely on normal human emotional responses -- suppressed guilt and fear about lying..
Unfortunately , it is not US, it is the low information voter who just tuned in for the first time to see the debate. IF they have not been following robme for 18 months , as most of us have, then they saw someone appear on that stage that was not robme and blatant lies. Hopefully those millions of voters do some more research from various sources to glean more information.
Cheat sheet gate? Not so much. The Internet was briefly abuzz just now with a rumor that Mitt Romney cheated during Wednesday night's presidential debate. Some observers believed Romney brought a cheat sheet to the stage (candidates are not allowed to use prepared notes), pointing to the above video of the beginning of the debate which appears to show Romney taking an item out of his pocket and unfolding it on his lectern. Alas, the Romney campaign said it was simply a handkerchief, something separate video appeared to confirm.
http://now.msn.com/romney-presidential-debate-cheating-video
also look for vedeo after debate I saw Mr. Romney go to his podium and get papers the proof
I'd like to see the separate video that supposedly "confirms" that. The link you have there only includes the video that shows Willard quickly tossing something that looks like paper onto his podium - the text refers to "other video", but it's not at this link, and no further link was provided for it.
Meanwhile, at this point I wouldn't take Willard's word that the sky is blue and grass is green, without taking a look for myself.
Fooolks, ... that's the stuff of wingnuts and birthers. Besides, it's been debunked:
Debunking the ‘Mitt Romney Cheated’ Conspiracy -- Daily Intel
That's a sneaky one because it depends on a perverse Republican-only definition of "small-business" as "pass-through organization." With that definition, it's a true statement.
However, that definition covers such "small businesses" as Bechtel and Price, Waterhouse, Coopers. It might cover Koch Industries, but they're not telling what their tax filing status is so that's speculative.
http://youtu.be/jO9Vj49UuwA have people not seen this clip? i have seen zero coverage of his use of a cheat sheet.
It was a handkerchief - but rather neatly starched and pressed, maybe.
I really think PBO should say something like "Everyone's got to give their fair share", and then something like "So that's why I'm proposing that everyone, if you're an American and in this great nation of ours, will pay x percent in tax." I think people could live with that. Maybe x=21% or maybe x=24% or maybe x=27%, but x is x is x is an x for all! Everyone pays x percent tax.
Think about our kids growing up, knowing that as they work harder and harder and become more successful and more successful in this great nation of ours, no one is going to come along and say give us more of your money. Of course they will be paying more the more they make, but they won't be additionally penalized for their hard work.
A smart woman, or man could win the public with such a fair statement. Nothing could be more fair.
Fairness for all, fair treatment for all, Flat Tax for all!
Long Live Rock and the USA!
Rachel, I love you to pieces, and have since the early days of Air America, but I am becoming very frustrated by the vehemence with which you repeatedly insist that President Obama did not win the debate. In the first place, I believe you're wrong. I am a former debate coach who had state champion debate teams, so I know something of what I'm talking about. I could give you chapter and verse as to why Romney did not win that debate, but you probably don't care about that. What I'm here to say is that you are, perhaps unwittingly, reinforcing and actually encouraging people to buy style over substance. You are encouraging people to believe that it is okay to lie and lie and lie, and that somehow, you can "win" on lies. This has a certain moral repugnance associated with it that I believe is beneath you, or at least, I always thought it would be beneath you, prior to this. Furthermore, I think if you actually polled people, you might find that people who actually listened to the debate, rather than just watching the body language, and who also had a pre-existing fundamental understanding of the underlying facts, were not at all impressed by Romney's performance -- emphasis on performance. You might be surprised to learn that a lot of people -- including a lot of women -- saw Romney not as an effective debater, but rather as an overbearing bully. You can believe what you want on a personal level, and I respect that, but stop already. You keep trying to tell the rest of us what to think. Tonight was a perfect example. You insisted, and repeated it, that there was no question that Romney won the debate. This is not your job. Your job is to analyze beyond superficial appearances and let people make up their own minds. Saying over and over again that Obama lost is merely shorthand for not bothering to break down what actually happened in those 90 minutes. I don't know why you would take this path, and I cannot express to you the level at which this disappoints me as I was one of your earliest fans, which my online friends from the old Olbermann blog (News Hole) will tell you. The rapidity with which you came out and declared Romney the winner, followed by your persistence at trying to force the rest of us to believe it, is astonishing for someone whom I have been used to thinking of as a thoughtful and principled journalist. It's almost like you're still trying to convince yourself, and I have to wonder why. In any case, stop telling us what to think about it. Frankly, I find it somewhat insulting. Some of us actually know enough to reasonably reach a different conclusion than you did. As to the rest, you have done a great disservice by allowing them to think that superficials are all that matter. Instead, you should have taught them how to analyze it and to value truth above flash.
FIFTY?.......FIFTY......? Is his "Majic Underwear" burned to a crisp yet?
I can't believe you made it to FIFTY today.
F-I-F-T-Y
once again, I thank you for this service to your country.