Joe Conason watched the presidential candidates' debate this week, and had a reaction I could relate to.
"'It's not easy to debate a liar,' complained an email from one observer of the first presidential debate -- and there was no question about which candidate he meant. Prevarication, falsification, fabrication are all familiar tactics that have been employed by Mitt Romney without much consequence to him ever since he entered public life," Conason wrote.
Concerns along these lines were not uncommon yesterday. In fact, note David Gergen's take from Wednesday night:
"I think [President Obana] was so surprised, he thought Romney was just flat-out lying," Gergen said. And if the president was thinking that, he had good reason to.
Consider, for example, the 38th installment of my weekly series -- easily the longest of 2012 -- chronicling Mitt's mendacity.
1. In reference to the unemployment rate, Romney said, "The reason it's come down this year is primarily due to the fact that more and more people have just stopped looking for work."
2. On Fox News last night, Romney said in reference to the president, "[W]hat I find so offensive about his tax plan is by raising taxes on small business, as he does, he will kill jobs."
In reality, Obama has repeatedly cut taxes on small businesses -- by some counts, 18 times -- and if given a second term, his tax plan would have no effect on 97% of small businesses.
3. Speaking yesterday at the Colorado Conservative Political Action Committee Conference, Romney said, "this sequestration idea ... came out of the White House."
No, it didn't. This sequestration idea emanated from House Republicans.
4. In the same speech, Romney said Obama "spending more and more, borrowing more and more, putting us on a road to Greece."
5. In Wednesday night's debate, Romney said, "I don't have a $5 trillion tax cut. I don't have a tax cut of a scale that you're talking about."
Independent analysts determined the proposed across-the-board rate cut would cost $5 trillion.
6. Romney said, "I'm not going to reduce the share of taxes paid by high-income people. High-income people are doing just fine in this economy."
That's not true. The wealthy would receive a massive, disproportionate tax break under the Romney plan.
7. Romney said, "[G]asoline prices have doubled under the president."
To blame gas prices on the president's policies is ridiculously untrue.
8. Romney said, "I'm not going to cut education funding. I don't have any plan to cut education funding and grants that go to people going to college."
9. Romney argued, "Energy is critical, and the president pointed out correctly that production of oil and gas in the U.S. is up. But not due to his policies. In spite of his policies. Mr. President, all of the increase in natural gas and oil has happened on private land, not on government land."
10. On taxes, Romney said, "I do want to reduce the burden being paid by middle-income Americans. And to do that that also means that I cannot reduce the burden paid by high-income Americans."
This is ridiculously untrue (and more than a little incoherent).
11. On taxes, Romney argued, "I will not reduce the share paid by high-income individuals. I -- I know that you and your running mate keep saying that, and I know it's a popular things to say with a lot of people, but it's just not the case."
Yes, it is the case.
12. Romney said, "I will not reduce the taxes paid by high-income Americans."
That's slightly different than the other lie. It's also equally wrong.
13. Romney said, "I will not, under any circumstances, raise taxes on middle-income families." He cited "six studies" to back him up on this.
There's ample evidence that Romney will have no choice but to raise taxes on middle-income families and the six studies don't back him up.
14. Romney said, "I saw a study that came out today that said you're going to raise taxes by 3 to $4,000 on middle-income families."
The study is wrong, and that's not what it said.
15. Romney said on tax rates, "Mr. President, you're absolutely right, which is that with regards to 97 percent of the businesses are not taxed at the 35 percent tax rate, they're taxed at a lower rate. But those businesses that are in the last 3 percent of businesses happen to employ half -- half -- of all of the people who work in small business."
That's a new one. It's also not true.
16. Romney said, "[Y]our plan is to take the tax rate on successful small businesses from 35 percent to 40 percent. The National Federation of Independent Businesses has said that will cost 700,000 jobs."
17. Romney said, "What things would I cut from spending? Well, first of all, I will eliminate all programs by this test -- if they don't pass it: Is the program so critical it's worth borrowing money from China to pay for it? And if not, I'll get rid of it."
The implication here is that U.S. debt is financed by the Chinese, but this isn't true -- China only holds about 8% of the nation's debt.
18. In reference to how he'd balance the budget, Romney said he'll "get rid of" the Affordable Care Act.
This is incoherent and absurd. "Obamacare" cuts the deficit to the tune of about $109 billion over the next decade. It's simply incoherent to say you'll cut the deficit by eliminating a law, which would in turn increase the deficit. That's like promising to put out a fire by using more kerosene.
19. Romney said, "The president said he'd cut the deficit in half. Unfortunately, he doubled it."
Maybe Romney doesn't know what "double" means. The deficit on Obama's first day was $1.3 trillion. Last year, it was also $1.3 trillion. This year, it's projected to be $1.1 trillion. When he says the president "more than doubled" the deficit, as he has many times, Romney's lying.
20. Romney argued, "The president's put in place as much public debt, almost as much debt held by the public as all prior presidents combined."
He's said this before, but it's not even close to being true.
21. On subsidies, Romney said to the president, "[Y]ou say Exxon and Mobil -- actually, this $2.8 billion goes largely to small companies, to drilling operators and so forth."
Nice try, but no.
22. Romney said to Obama, "[Y[ou put $90 billion -- like 50 years' worth of breaks -- into solar and wind."
That's not quite right, and much of the $90 billion was appropriated by George W. Bush, not Obama.
23. Romney argued to the president, "[Y]ou said you get a deduction for getting a plant overseas. Look, I've been in business for 25 years. I have no idea what you're talking about."
Romney's admitted cluelessness notwithstanding, he's simply wrong to argue the tax deduction doesn't exist. It's real.
24. On entitlements, Romney argued, "[N]either the president nor I are proposing any changes for any current retirees or near retirees, either to Social Security or Medicare. So if you're 60 or around 60 or older, you don't need to listen any further."
That's demonstrably wrong. Under Romney's policy, the cost of prescription drug prices and preventive care for seniors would go up immediately -- for current and future retirees. For that matter, since Romney's plan hastens Medicare's insolvency -- soon -- seniors should listen closely.
25. Defending his Medicare plan, Romney said the idea originated in part with Paul Ryan and Sen. Ron Wyden (D-Ore.), "who's a co-author of the bill."
According to Ron Wyden, that's ridiculously untrue.
26. In reference to Dodd-Frank, Romney said, "[I]t designates a number of banks as too big to fail, and they're effectively guaranteed by the federal government. This is the biggest kiss that's been given to New York banks I've ever seen. This is an enormous boon for them.... I wouldn't designate five banks as too big to fail and give them a blank check."
This simply has no basis in fact.
27. In reference to Wall Street reform, Romney said, "It wasn't thought through properly.... [I]t's killing regional and small banks.
28. In reference to the Affordable Care Act, Romney said, "It cuts $716 billion from Medicare to pay for it. I want to put that money back in Medicare for our seniors."
As I suspect Romney knows -- he'd already endorsed these same cuts earlier in the year -- he's just not telling the truth.
29. In the next breath, Romney says of the health care law, "[I]t puts in place an unelected board that's going to tell people, ultimately, what kind of treatments they can have."
This is getting awfully close to the "death panel" argument, and it's not true.
30. Romney vowed to "sit down with Democratic leaders as well as Republican leaders -- as we did in my state."
That's wildly misleading. In his one term, Romney issued more than 800 vetoes, over 700 of which were overridden, and demonstrated a "relative disinterest in bipartisan collaboration."
31. According to Romney, congressional Republicans unveiled a "bipartisan" health care reform plan in 2010. "It was swept aside."
There was no "bipartisan plan" from GOP lawmakers. Romney just made this up.
32. Asked what he would replace the Affordable Care Act with, Romney's exact words were, "Let, well, actually, actually it's , it's, it's a lengthy description."
That's a lie. Romney's online description of his health care reform plan is just 369 words.
33. Romney said, "Pre-existing conditions are covered under my plan."
I really wish that were true. It's not.
34. Romney, offering "proof" that the president's agenda is "not working," said, "23 million people are out of work."
That's not true. As of the time of the debate, there were 12.5 million Americans unemployed.
35. In reference to public support for green-energy companies, Romney argued, "These businesses, many of them have gone out of business. I think about half of them, of the ones have been invested in, they've gone out of business."
As Romney's own aides later admitted, this is demonstrably false.
36. In a TV campaign ad released this week, Romney said "Obama and the liberals already have ... raised taxes on the middle class."
That's obviously untrue; Obama has repeatedly cut taxes on the middle class. In fact, Romney admitted as much just last week.
37. In the same ad, Romney accused Obama of creating "government-run health care."
As Romney knows -- his own state health care law served as the blueprint for the president's plan -- the Affordable Care Act relies on private insurers, and is not "government-run health care."
38. The same ad claims consumers will be forced to "pay more for your medicine."
Actually, the only change in the cost of medication came for seniors -- and "Obamacare" closes the donut hole to make sure they pay less, not more.
39. The commercial goes on to say the Affordable Care Act "includes a trillion dollars in higher taxes -- even on the middle class."
This is apparently in reference to the individual mandate. And if the claim is true, then Romney's Massachusetts law also includes higher taxes -- even on the middle class.
40. In his weekly podcast, Romney said Obama's vision of international affairs is premised on seeing the United States "as merely one among many nations rather than as an exceptional nation."
Obama is the only president in American history to publicly and explicitly endorse the principle of American exceptionalism.
41. Romney also argued "our moral standing has declined" around the globe.
No, it hasn't. Respect and support for the United States around the world has improved under Obama.
42. Romney went on to say Obama no longer supports "standing with Israel."
43. Romney also said the president "refuses to meet with Israel's prime minister, Benjamin Netanyahu."
Obama has met with Netanyahu many times.
44. He went on to say, hoping to draw a contrast with the president, "I will never apologize for America."
How is it possible the whole "apology" lie hasn't gone away yet?
45. At a campaign event in Wayne, Pennsylvania, Romney said the president is "planning on cutting our military by about a trillion dollars over the next decade."
No, he's not. Obama is planning to cut defense spending, on the recommendation of the Pentagon and the Joint Chiefs, by about $500 billion over the next decade. There are other cuts looming, but they were crafted by Romney's party and endorsed by his own running mate.
46. At the same event, Romney argued, "[T]he president adds about a trillion dollars a year to the national debt."
It's true that in recent years, about a trillion dollars a year to the national debt, but it's not the president who's doing it.
47. Romney went on to say, "Do you realize that our Navy is smaller in terms of the number of ships than any time since 1917?"
This one again? Romney dropped this lie a while back, but it's apparently made a comeback.
48. Romney also vowed, "I will not raise taxes on middle-income Americans."
There's ample evidence that Romney will raise taxes on the middle class.
49. Romney went on to promise, "I've got a plan. I've got a plan to help free people pursue their dreams and get this economy going. And the good news is this: It'll create 12 million jobs."
Putting aside the pesky detail that Romney doesn't actually have a specific jobs plan, the fact remains that if we do nothing, we're on track to create 12 million new American jobs over the next four years anyway.
50. Romney added, "I want to take that big cloud off of the small business world that's hanging over them. Three-quarters of them say they don't want to hire more people because of this cloud and that cloud is Obamacare."
Romney's referring to a "survey" conducted by the U.S. Chamber of Commerce if its members. The claim, however, is a misleading joke -- the Chamber, a pro-Republican lobbying institution heavily invested in helping Romney, put up an unscientific online survey. Treating this as a legitimate poll of businesses is fundamentally dishonest.
Previous editions of Chronicling Mitt's Mendacity: Vol. I, II, III, IV, V, VI, VII, VIII, IX, X, XI, XII,XIII, XIV, XV, XVI, XVII, XVIII, XIX, XX, XXI, XXII, XXIII, XXIV, XXV, XXVI, XXVII, XXVIII, XXIX, XXX, XXXI, XXXII, XXXIII, XXXIV, XXXV, XXXVI





If all of this is true Y in the world would the media act as if they wanted a fist fight? I do believe President Obama expressed these points at the debate. Did we not see that? I guess not since you were looking for a fight. I don't expect anything civil from Fox but MSNBC. SMH . Accusations are now being made that he somehow have influenced the numbers. Do you think your reaction had a hand in this latest lie? Giving them steam? Did you not have enough faith in him to recognize the posturing from Mitt Romney? Could you have expressed how President Obama gave Romney enough rope to hang himself? Cause that is exactly what he has done. U got played got played by Romney. What you say matter.
President Obama has sat down face to face with Putin, he cracked jokes at an estate dinner right after authorizing the Bin Laden raid,....do you really think he is at all "intimidated" by "corporate businessman" Mitt Romney??? At first I was disappointed in the debate - but the net result is people are talking, wondering and (in the case of his supporters) worrying about him. It might have really been a "long game" strategy. Think about this - if the President went out and squashed Mitt (as he was projected too) everyone would be talking about Mitt and what he could / should have done and what he can do to "try' and pull out a debate victory next time. How many people might lose interest in the next debates? Obama supporters might assume "it's in the bag" and maybe not show up at the polls...now he's got them worried... the next debates will be watched in earnest and a strong performance at the last debate just prior to the election will cement in the minds of the people that he is deserving of another term
The Sure Fire Way To Tell When Mittens Is Telling A LIE, His Lips Are Moving.. It Don't Even Seem To Bother Him. He Seems To Think EveryBody Believe Him. I Wish EveryBody Could See. But Some People Must B Blinded My The Fact He Mite Have Money. If He Does Have As Much As Tell Say He Does. It Shows Me, U Don't Need Any CENTS To Have MONEY. U Just Need A Rich DADDY,,,,)tp;
The "debate" is now in the public domain. "...for out of the abundance of the heart, the mouth speaks." That's a Sunday School lesson. The lesson in politics is this: every politician now knows what is in the candidate's heart, whether elected or not. Liars poker is not going to work from this point forward.
Who won? Well I do hear the devil laughing so I say that the serpent won the day with putting lies into Mitts mouth.
Hello my name is Jordan a (Independent) from Cincinnati Ohio and I have an opinion on last Wednesdays debate I want to share with you. I listened to the debate while working on my computer and did not watch and I have been following this election since before the GOP primaries. What I took away from the debate was Obama was clear on his policies even though he didn’t attack as much as everyone wanted I think he still came out on top. The Obama Campaigns strategy had to have been let Romney swing back to the center so he looks like a flip flopper (They now have the ammo to blow Mitt away! ad wise), Don’t come off as the angry black guy, Don’t let him apologize for the 47% comment to 70 million people, Have Obama come off looking calm and collect and let him explain the truth of his policies. NOW as for what the President did I think he pulled it off while having to listening to it but as i review the tape of the debate his biggest problem was not, Not being aggressive enough it was not looking at the liar to his right when he was being lied to (it also looked like he was agreeing with mitt at points) then looking down and not at the American people when he explained his talking points, So his biggest failure in my book was his eye contact but then again i listened to it so this was not a factor for me until i saw the review of the debate. Also his final remarks what he left the American people with was horrible he could have done a lot better there as well.. With all that being said in the long run I still think Obama did what he had to do to do no harm (even if a lot of supporters hated it) I do not think this will effect the polls or election that much. The American people are smarter then these GOP guys give them credit for with a new candidate when they see him at a debate talking about his policy and has been labelled as a flip flopper from day one they are going to look into his politics and once they do I do not think they will like what they see because that is not what he told them during the first debate there for he flip flopped/lied about what he is all about and in the end will benefit the President I think in a big way. There for i come to my conclusion that Obama really won the debate wednesday no matter how theatrical Romney was with his delivery
Watch out for Biden/Ryan debate for the 47% question to come out because now he has to defend his partners "inarticulate not elegantly stated comment" that writes off half of the country.. What is Ryans comeback going to be? He said he was sorry on Fox News 3 weeks later after the comments came out having 4 different excuses? That will not work so the Obama campaign is very smart in how they played this very smart. Romney won 24 hrs of the news cycle for his acting on Wednesday due to the GOP coming up with a conspiracy theory on the 7.8% jobs numbers 5 minutes after they were released and the real news the great news on the economy the lowest unemployment since he took office.. Now Romney has nothing to run on or even a reason other than he wants to be President. Don't fall for it America we dont need Bush on Steroids that is worried about "Big Bird"..
Independent Voter from Ohio
For Romney to say he doesn't have a five trillion dollar tax cut because it is revenue neutral is like saying:
"I'm going to buy us a $50,000 car but don't worry, it's not going to cost us anything."
Why's it not going to cost us anything?
"Because I'm going to sell off other stuff worth $50,000."
What stuff?
"Oh, stuff we don't need."
Can you be more specific?
"No not right now, we'll work out the details later."
Maybe stuff like the stove or refrigerator?
"Oh, maybe... but you know, we can always go out to eat. We'll have a nice car."
The thing I don't get about his tax plan: If he is going to change the tax rates, and change all or parts of some deductions, so that everyone is paying the same in taxes, why bother?
If the government spends time doing things that not only don't improve anything, but don't even change anything, that is beyond wrong.
How will changing tax rates create any new jobs if everyone pays the same taxes?
The proposed changes would allow some wealthy people/corporations to lay off some tax lawyers, so there's that.
WTF, didn't Obama rebut any of Romney's lies at the debate?
He should have come prepared.
A lot of peoples confidence in the president is shaken.
Great observation on Mitt's "doubling" and "halving" for simplifying the lies for the general public.
Next debate is a town hall. If Mitt goes Gish again here is a subtle counter to the tactic.
Obama would, out of view from Mitt, simply extend a finger for each lie. His hand could be down to his side and it might be one finger or five depending on Mitt's speedy delivery.
Mitt would not know it's happening, everyone in the audience and at home would zero in on it and even the general public after the debate would be dying to know what the fingers were all about. The spin room and pundits would be all over the truth pointers fingering the lies.
Even if he's wrong here and there it could be chalked up to timing, and grouping.
Mitt's debate techinque is a known style and is described here:
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Gish_Gallop
Romney can run......but he can't hide!!!!!!
I thought he looked like a deer in headlights at the debate. And, what happened to that fancy tan he sported the week before?
Do Mormans follow the Ten Commandments? Someone should enlighten Mr. Romney, Christians believe that it's a sin the "Bear False Witness."
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We all know who REALLY won that debate!
also:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LdIFtYNKJQk
Vote Republican! (Blame Democrats.)
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Waaaay too ironic for many here who purposefully choose to misinterpret. Nice stuff about who really controlled what, though.
Rachel, thank you SO MUCH for continuing to shine a bright light on all the Romney distortions (lies). He is being pumped along by the same neo-con saber rattlers who got us into the bait-and-switch Iraq war that has claimed our brightest and best and wants to stay in Afghanistan until heck freezes over. Now, he would aid the Syrian rebels with war machines--does he even KNOW who the rebels are? And what does he know about Iranian sanctions, which are stringent enough now to cause its populace to push for better leadership, hopefully without a Romney War. This is a dangerous, thinks he knows it all fearmonger. He should not get into the White House for these and a host of other reasons.
This is the most one-sided argument I have ever seen; it disgusts me. I am not a Romney fan but this is over excessive attacking on everything he has said and done. You think everything Obama has said was the truth? Yah freakin' right, he has had his share of lies. Thanks for the stupid article.
Welcome, disgusted newbie, and thanks for joining the community with your first post. Please educate me regarding an Obama untruth or two. Or just one. Thanks, and welcome again.
Why not just count the true statements by Mitt Romney? Then this could have been a Tweet.
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