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President Obama and his campaign team have been increasingly assertive of late in accusing Mitt Romney of dishonesty, but the president is still cautious in how he makes the charge.
In this week's debate, for example, Obama was willing to go so far as to say, "Not true, governor," when the president heard something obviously false. The problem, of course, is that the Republican challenger strayed from the truth with unfortunate frequency -- leading Obama to repeat the words "not true" a half-dozen times.
I suspect the president was probably annoyed, both with Romney's dishonesty and with the challenge of coming up with alternative ways to let the audience know the Republican was repeating falsehoods. I know the feeling -- this is, after all, the 39th installment of my weekly series, chronicling Mitt's mendacity.
1. At a speech in Chesapeake, Virginia, Romney boasted, "If I become president ... we finally get America on track to a balanced budget."
No we don't. Romney's plan slashes tax rates (which makes the deficit worse, not better), increases defense and entitlement spending (which makes the deficit worse, not better), and every independent analysis reaches the same conclusion: Romney's numbers don't add up.
2. In the same speech, Romney said Obama only filed "one" action "against China."
That's not even close to being true.
3. In this week's town-hall debate, Romney claimed, "I want to make sure we keep our Pell Grant program growing. We're also going to have our loan program so that people are able to afford school."
We know this isn't true, because he vowed to do the exact opposite in March. What's more, Romney also endorsed Paul Ryan's budget plan, which cuts Pell Grants.
4. Romney also argued, "We have fewer people working today than we had when the president took office."
No matter when we start the clock, there's a net jobs increase under Obama, both overall and in the private sector.
5. Romney added, "If the unemployment rate was 7.8 percent when he took office. It's 7.8 percent now. But if you calculated that unemployment rate taking back the people who dropped out of the workforce, it would be 10.7 percent."
That's ridiculously untrue.
6. Romney also said, "I put out a five-point plan that gets America 12 million new jobs in four years and rising take-home pay."
This claim was definitely proven false this week. Repeating it only adds insult to injury.
7. On the rescue of the auto industry, Romney said in reference to the president, "[H]e keeps saying, 'You wanted to take Detroit bankrupt.' Well, the president took Detroit bankrupt. You took General Motors bankrupt. You took Chrysler bankrupt. So when you say that I wanted to take the auto industry bankrupt, you actually did.... That was precisely what I recommend and ultimately what happened."
Romney can take credit for Obama's policy, or he can condemn Obama's policy, but to do both is obviously dishonest (and more than a little ridiculous).
8. Romney argued, "As a matter of fact, oil production is down 14 percent this year on federal land, and gas production is down 9 percent."
Nice try, but no.
9. Romney added, "Coal production is not up."
10. Romney added, "Coal jobs are not up."
11. Romney also told the president, "In the last four years, you cut permits and licenses on federal land and federal waters in half."
That's not quite right.
12. Romney went on to say, "[T]he proof of whether a strategy is working or not is what the price is that you're paying at the pump. If you're paying less than you paid a year or two ago, why, then the strategy is working. But you're paying more."
13. Romney also argued, "I don't have a policy of, of stopping wind jobs in Iowa."
Actually, he does, much to the chagrin of his own Republican allies in Iowa.
14. On taxes, Romney said, "The top 5 percent of taxpayers will continue to pay 60 percent of the income tax the nation collects. So that'll stay the same."
With rhetoric like this, Romney is playing a deeply deceptive game, and playing voters for fools.
15. Romney added, "Middle-income people are going to get a tax break."
There's ample reason to believe the exact opposite.
16. Romney also argued, "A recent study has shown that people in the middle class will see $4,000 a year higher taxes as a result of the spending and borrowing of this administration."
It takes some policy acrobatics to get to this claim, and it's still not true.
17. Romney said, "We can get this economy going again. My five-point plan does it."
18. Asked about the hard-to-believe numbers in his economic plan, Romney insisted, "Well, of course they add up."
19. In reference to the budget deficit, Romney said of Obama, "he's doubled it."
Romney is still having trouble with the definition of "double." The deficit on Obama's first day was $1.3 trillion. Last year, it was also $1.3 trillion. This year, it's $1.08 trillion. When he says the president "doubled" the deficit, as he has many times, Romney's lying.
20. Romney boasted, "I ran the Olympics and balanced the budget."
In context, Romney made it sound as if he balanced the Olympics' books through skill. In reality, he balanced his budget at the Olympics thanks to a taxpayer bailout.
21. In the next breath, Romney said, "I ran the state of Massachusetts as a governor, to the extent any governor does, and balanced the budget all four years."
Actually, in Massachusetts, Romney left his successor with a deficit.
22. Romney went on to say, "If the president were re-elected, we'd go to almost $20 trillion of national debt. This puts us on a road to Greece."
For those who have even a passing familiarity with the Greek crisis, this is painfully untrue.
23. In an unfortunate moment, Romney claimed, "I had the chance to pull together a Cabinet and all the applicants seemed to be men. And I went to my staff, and I said, how come all the people for these jobs are all men? They said, well, these are the people that have the qualifications. And I said, well, gosh, can't we find some women that are also qualified? And so we took a concerted effort to go out and find women who had backgrounds that could be qualified to become members of our cabinet."
24. Romney argued, "In the last four years, women have lost 580,000 jobs. That's the net of what's happened in the last four years. We're still down 580,000 jobs. I mentioned 3 1/2 million women more now in poverty than four years ago."
This is absurdly untrue.
25. Romney said, "I don't believe employers should tell someone whether they could have contraceptive care or not."
I wish this were true. It's not.
26. Romney said, "President Bush and I are different people, and these are different times. And that's why my five-point plan is so different than what he would have done."
Romney's promises are almost word-for-word the same as what Bush promised 12 years ago.
27. Romney argued, "Our party has been focused on big business too long. I came through small business."
To call Bain Capital a small business is to strip the phrase of any plausible meaning.
28. Romney also said, "[O]ne of the things I find most troubling [about the Affordable Care Act] is that when you go out and talk to small businesses and ask them what they think about it, they tell you it keeps them from hiring more people."
There is literally no evidence to support this claim in any way. Indeed, a big chunk of the Affordable Care Act goes to give small businesses a tax break.
29. Romney argued, in reference to Obama, "He said that by now we'd have unemployment at 5.4 percent."
That's a favorite GOP talking point, but it's simply wrong.
30. Romney added, "The entire record is such that the unemployment has not been reduced in this country."
It's troubling how detached from reality this is.
31. Romney said, "The only reason the unemployment rate seems a little lower today is because of all the people that have dropped out of the workforce."
I wish he wouldn't say nonsense like this.
32. Romney added that Obama "just hasn't been able to cut the deficit."
Sometimes I wonder what planet Romney's on.
33. Romney also said, "Any investments I have over the last eight years have been managed by a blind trust."
That might be persuasive if the blind trust were actually blind.
34. On immigration, Romney argued, "I did not say that the Arizona law was a model for the nation."
There's some nuance here, but he really did call the Arizona law "a model" for the nation.
35. Romney said in reference to the attack in Benghazi, "the president the day after that happened flies to Las Vegas for a political fundraiser."
There was no Obama fundraiser in Las Vegas on Sept. 12.
36. Romney added, "Consider the distance between ourselves and Israel, where the president said that he was going to put daylight between us and Israel."
Obama didn't say that.
37. Romney went on to say, "The president's policies throughout the Middle East began with an apology tour."
How is it possible the whole "apology" lie hasn't gone away yet?
38. Romney added, "It took the president 14 days before he called the attack in Benghazi an act of terror."
Oops.
39. Romney argued, "[I]n my state, the pro-gun folks and the anti-gun folks came together and put together a piece of legislation."
40. Romney said, "I care about 100 percent of the American people."
I seem to recall watching a video in which Romney said it's not his "job" to "worry about" 47 percent of the population.
41. On gun control, Romney said, "We of course don't want to have automatic weapons, and that's already illegal in this country to have automatic weapons."
Automatic weapons are not already illegal in this country.
42. Romney added, "Regulations have quadrupled. The rate of regulations quadrupled under this president."
That's a new one. It's also absurd -- all one has to do is count.
43. Romney said, "Canada's tax rate on companies is now 15 percent. Ours is 35 percent. So if you're starting a business, where would you rather start it? We have to be competitive if we're going to create more jobs here."
This is wildly misleading, since the actual income tax paid by corporations "is one of the lowest in the world."
44. At a campaign event in Richmond, Virginia, Romney asked, "Why was it, with 23 million Americans struggling to find a job, why was it [the president] focused his first three years on Obamacare, which makes it harder to create jobs?"
When Obama took office, the very first thing he focused on was jobs, approving an economic plan that ended the recession.
45. At the same event, Romney said, "There's been a study done recently that shows that with all the spending he's planning and of all the interest on the debt that's associated with all that spending that he's going to have to raise taxes on middle-income Americans again."
The "study" in question is a joke.
46. Romney argued, "Obamacare is going to cost you an extra $2,500 a year."
He appears to have made this up out of whole cloth. Romney sometimes blames rising health care costs in recent years on the Affordable Care Act, but to say the law will in the future cost consumers an extra $2,500 a year is new -- and baseless.
47. Romney went on to say, "If the president were to get re-elected, he will cut Medicare by $716 billion."
Are we really still having this bogus argument?
48. Romney added, "[T]he president has a budget that cuts our military by hundreds of billions of dollars, and then this sequester idea that came from the White House, that cuts it hundreds of billions more."
Romney appears to be referring to cuts, which have not yet kicked in, and which were crafted, not by the White House, but by Romney's own party. They were also endorsed and supported by his own running mate.
49. Romney said, "Seventy-five percent of small businesses surveyed by the Chamber of Commerce said that because of Obamacare, they're less likely to hire people."
The claim is a misleading joke -- the Chamber, a pro-Republican lobbying institution heavily invested in helping Romney, put up an unscientific online survey. Treating this as a legitimate poll of businesses is fundamentally dishonest.
Previous editions of Chronicling Mitt's Mendacity: Vol. I, II, III, IV, V, VI, VII, VIII, IX, X, XI, XII,XIII, XIV, XV, XVI, XVII, XVIII, XIX, XX, XXI, XXII, XXIII, XXIV, XXV, XXVI, XXVII, XXVIII, XXIX, XXX, XXXI, XXXII, XXXIII, XXXIV, XXXV, XXXVI, XXXVII, XXXVIII





Well, that's a good way..."Governor, you are repeating falsehoods!" Period!
"Sometimes I wonder what planet Romney's on."
Kolob?
You should wonder more about what planet those American voters who are buying Romny's BS are living on!
Wonder if the progressive opinionators read the messages to their blogs or their shows? Perhaps they only check the twittering universe.....
Watched/listened to the first debate, and could not see/hear why the President was being negatively criticized, trashed or rubbished by the progressivopinators etc.
Could it be that whatever bounce Romney got was due to the incessant negative criticism of the President's performance by the progressive opinionators and them stating that Romney won the debate?
Not sure what they based that win on though, as Mr Romney seem to be pushing, spinning, twisting, turning and pretzelizing himself, trying to make his questionable policies, proposals, budgets and views etc fit his present audience as he has done on the campaign trail.
Well it seems that if it is about being obnoxious, rude, loud-mouthed, arguementative, ignorant, mindlessly boorish, over talk others, hogging the conversation /debate, browbeat the moderator, show a lack of good manners etc and that is viewed as winning .... Oh well then... Mr Romney did win....
Peace.....
But of course we must believe all uttered by a politiian from Chicago, home of corruption, deceit and dishonesty. Illinois politics makes Nigeria and Louisianna look clean. Obama is just another example. Last 4 years have been disastrous for the country's economy and its not because of G. W. At least have the hudspah to take responsibility for your actions, Pres.
Well, this is ammo for the democrats and Obama.....Now it is 49 more reasons plus the 47 to run to your voting booth and vote for Obama.
willard isn't a governor, he is unemployed and we want to keep him that way.
"44. At a campaign event in Richmond, Virginia, Romney asked, "Why was it, with 23 million Americans struggling to find a job, why was it [the president] focused his first three years on Obamacare, which makes it harder to create jobs?"
When Obama took office, the very first thing he focused on was jobs, approving an economic plan that ended the recession."
Also, "Obamacare" was passed in March 2010. Obama, of course, took office in January 2009. 14 months =/= 3 years
Thu Oct 18, 2012 at 07:33 PM PDT
UPDATED! Krugman Decodes Romney's Economic Plan
by xaxnar
Just a quick note here. Paul Krugman has taken a look at Romney's economic plans on his blog. Understanding Romneynomics spells out how he plans to create all those jobs, as nearly as Dr. K can figure it out. The short version is, Romney believes he IS the Confidence Fairy - elect him and the magic will happen.
Krugman often foreshadows what his column will be about with his blog entries; tomorrow in the NY Times should be a good read if that's the case here. And if you want to know what Romney means when he says he comes from a small business background, check out Krugman here.
It's truly frightening how many people believe Romney actually knows anything about the real economy the rest of us have to live in. A bigger pile of mendacity and ego it's hard to imagine - even Donald Trump doesn't come close.
UPDATE: Krugman uses both blog posts linked above for material for his latest: Snow Job on Jobs.
Unfortunately America has a really bad case of Stupidia which first appears after watching Fox News 24/7.
Have noticed the faux channel has become the new "fireplace channel" since they run the burning of the consellate 24/7 to enflame the watcher. You know, like they have fishtank channels for cats to watch. How disgusting can you be to the famlies?
Since R/R have access to intelligence reports, shouldn't they have something better to say than--it took you 2 whole weeks to call it terror.? Guess they're sensitive because it took how many YEARS to admit the lies of Iraq?
Y'know, it all just LOOKS like Romnesia, just an innocent "Oh, I didn't say that" or "Oh, I didn't REALLY mean that" or "Who would say THAT", but what's really going on is just a bold faced LIE in direct contradiction of what he has previously said and voted/campaigned on. This man will SAY and DO anything to get elected. Isn't that quite obvious?? I don't know how ANYONE could trust this man, let alone let him run our COUNTRY and represent us to the WORLD.
NO THANK YOU
Unfortunately America has a really bad case of Stupidia which first appears after watching Fox News 24/7.
I really wish there was such a thing as live fact checking during debates. or just a really loud "Operation" type buzzer that sounded anytime a lie occurs. Romney would very quickly develop a noticeable twitch, which would put off any prospective voter. problem solved.
And Obama would be jolted when speaking of Libya
You wish, worth less troll.
What did Obama say that was wrong about Libya?
He called it an act of terror in a speech given in the White House Rose Garden the day after the event. Did you watch the debate? Candy Crowley (you go girl!) fact-checked that one live when RMoney said it took Obama 2 weeks to call it an act of terror....
Reading Cartoon regularly, that was all #snark.
Tom 3671033 Did you share the same view of Pres. Bush in regards to him starting a War in Iraq, Based on a bunch of BS? Or was that OK? Wasn't it the GOP that Cut the funding for the Security in the Embassy's? Where did Ryan stand on this issue?
If you read, which obviously you do not, the funding that was cut was for also for building, maintainance and other wasteful nonsense.....
Tagg Romney and the Romney family have bought voting machines. They will stop at nothing to steal this election. They are the ones that are easily flipped, hacked and have no printout:
http://www.allvoices.com/contributed-news/13221476-romney-family-buys-voting-machines-through-bain-capital-investment
Tagg Romney and the Romney family have bought voting machines. They will stop at nothing to steal this election. They are the ones that are easily flipped, hacked and have no printout:
http://www.allvoices.com/contributed-news/13221476-romney-family-buys-voting-machines-through-bain-capital-investment
And, of course, the Obama admin is telling the truth about Libya. A reaction against a film? Three weeks? Who needs an investigation when the State Dept was real time during the attack?
I knew 2 days later...
David M. Johnston
There was More to the Consular Attack than meets the eye...
U.S. Consulate attack in Libya part of 2-prong attack
BENGHAZI, Libya (AP) — The attack that killed four Americans in Libya, including the U.S. ambassador, was an organized two-part operation by heavily armed militants that included a precisely timed raid on a supposedly secret safe house just as Libyan and U.S. security forces were arriving to rescue evacuated consulate staff, a senior Libyan security official said on Thursday.
Wanis el-Sharef, eastern Libya's deputy interior minister, said the attacks Tuesday night were suspected to have been timed to mark the 9/11 anniversary and that the militants used civilians protesting an anti-Islam film as cover for their action. Infiltrators within the security forces may have tipped off militants to the safe house location, he said.
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The next attack came hours later. Around 30 American staffers along with Libyans had been evacuated to the safe house while a plane arrived from Tripoli with a joint U.S.-Libyan security group that was to fly them back to the capital, el-Sharef said.
El-Sharef said the original plan was for a separate Libyan security unit to escort the evacuees to the airport. Instead, the joint unit went from the airport to the safe house, possibly because they were under the impression they were dealing with a hostage situation, he said. The militant attack coincided with the joint team's arrival at the safe house, he said.
That the attackers knew the safe house's location suggests a "spy" inside the security forces tipped off the militants, he said.
#1.13 - Thu Sep 13, 2012 4:00 PM EDT
I would bet, the State Department was aware what happened once they got word from Benghazi about the second attack, but they didn't want to cause retaliatory hate attacks against innocent Muslims in the States, like what happened after the first 9/11... Why make the situation worse? It wouldn't bring the four men back to life...
Better Americans be angry at mobs in Africa, than taking out their anger on innocent Arab-appearing Americans... Remember the six Sikhs killed in Michigan, recently...
Looks like someone didn't get today's memo... The whole Libya thing is a non starter for the Right wing folks... It's been debunked and they have moved on to something else...Keep up!
Also, please provide any requests/demands by the GOP to enhance security at our embassies and consulates prior to these attacks... If it's such a big deal, then surely the Republicans foresaw this happening and made sure we were prepared for it, right?...
Hell, most of you thought Benghazi was the guy who played the heavy in "Roadhouse" before this attack happened...
Now go check your email... The latest talking points are out....Go see what you're supposed to be outraged about today...
If you read the transcript of Obama's speech, you'll see that he called an act of terror the day after...
As transcript of the speech shows, on September 12 in the Rose Garden, Obama said of the Benghazi attack, "No acts of terror will ever shake the resolve of this great nation, alter that character, or eclipse the light of the values that we stand for. Today we mourn four more Americans who represent the very best of the United States of America."
Okay, someone's got to say it -- @ Tom, there was already a live fact-check on Libya during the debates, and it was Romney who got jolted!
Quite frankly, who gives a rats rear end if it took two weeks to call it a terror attack! What's important is there is an ongoing investigation, and we will find the aholes who did this and bring them to justice (or bring justice to them). Everything else is political season folly!
Another week of Romarrhea !!
Ebook download has been updated.
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Thanks for this.
In its own way, it is an insidiously clever campaign tactic: tell so many lies that the opposition doesn't know where to begin in countering them and, in the meantime, the ignorant believe most of them because "you can't just lie on television, right?".
Worked for Adolf, didn't it?
And they are too lazy to do their own fact checking, since that involves turning off Fox News Channel...
Mr. Benen, sir...
You do realize, you and your staff have posted 12, that's TWELVE, articles - some of considerable length (see above) within 13 hours, don't you? It's not even 4:00 PM. yet!
Give us a break, fella... We not only want to read the articles, we want to read the comments as well... Maybe even write a few...
If Steve is writing too much, don't blame him. He has to keep countering the absurdity of Republicans. There's no rest for the weary.
We know he lies.
We know we can't trust him.
So why is the man still on the ballot.
Because we know republican party lie.
We know the republican party has no scruples,
and even though they dislike romney as much as they do.
They only want to win at any cost, so they will support him and use him until
he is elected then they will take charge of the country using him as their puppet and Furor.
TMom...
Furor - massive display of anger
Der Feuhrer - Deutsch fur 'The Leader'
Ja, ich spreche Deutsch, auch...
Sorry, folks, comment copied from above...
I gather that Peggy Noonan wrote in the WSJ these rather amazingly incorrect words:
"This was the president of the United States standing with the other major party’s presidential candidate and saying things that were harsh and personal—you’re selfish and greedy, you care for nothing but yourself, you have no sense of responsibility to others."
Boy, those conservatives seem able to hear only imaginary speech. They were all ego-wounded by Obama's very careful criticisms of Mitt's policies. He said not one word about Mitt's personal character. (Maybe the target would have been toooooo easy, but no, Obama never said one word that Noonan claims he did.)
Especially since they're true...
Classic projection... She's wanted to say them herself, but she can't, so she puts them in Obama's mouth, so she can 'report' them...
The imaginary speech/comments go along with the empty chair Eastwood addressed in that weird whatever it was at the GOP convention. Conservatives truly live in an alternate reality.
The fact that Mitt Romney is not 20 points BEHIND Obama in every poll scares the hell out of me. This many voters don't care if a pathological liar is President? Really? When they can see in 1000 places the man wouldn't know the truth if it slapped him the in the face?! I have no idea what they are thinking.
Even scarier when it's in your own family. I asked my R sister why she votes that way & she said--we need to have smaller government. This coming from a woman who retired from working for the federal gov. for 30 years!!! Complete with pension, health care etc. & she doesn't get it. Now I get how all the R voters who get subsidies galore are able to look down their noses at Welfare Queens & food stamp users(who do you think the money for the food goes to?).
Not to mention that when the Gopers say smaller govt, what they mean is smaller when it comes to "safety nets" 'cos they want to control all aspects of women's bodys, your sex lives and whether you can vote or not.
Salt Lake City Tribune endorses Obama
Just heard that on Thom Hartmann. Good!
Willard makes my blood boil when he says "my state" about Massachusetts. He spent most of his term out of state running (networking) for his presidential run. One of the Globe journalists said that a miracle has occurred, "Mitt Romney was spotted in Massachusetts." His memory is so short one wonders if he like Reagan is coming down with the big "A".
Does Mitt Romney Have Brain Damage?
Yes, he's suffering from what Obama calls Romnesia...
I think his memory is just fine as he still knows enough to say what the folks in front of him want to hear. What I wonder about is his constant shuffling of his feet, & his tisking like an old person when he speaks drives me to distraction. May sound petty but I see them as signs of possible illness.
I like "Romneyrhea" as much as "Romnesia"
Could explain it, we didn't know until later that Reagan had Alzimers's. I am no fan of Reagan policies, but don't hate him for being sick.
Do we not worry about hearing "I don't recall"? Since then, lots of testimony saying "I don't recall".
Well, Rmoney says "Uh, I'm actually going to to, I'm not familiar precisely with exactly what I said, but I stand by what I said, whatever it was. And with regards to, uh, I'll go back and take at what was said there."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJwmeG5n2Zg
Huh? Did he think before saying that?
I don't remember precisely saying I was pro choice, but I stand by what I said yesterday about signing the abortion ban bill.
I think it's time the Mendacity's were published and made into little pocket pamphlets to be handed out ....everywhere. Just the fact alone that this report was created specifically for only one candidate, that we know of, Mittens' Spittens, says it all. I don't know if one was done for McCain. What I don't understand about McCain is that he is now siding against the veterans, he chose his 9 houses over the 9 billion veterans. Why?
Angel...
I hate to be picky, but... 9 BILLION???
I would highly doubt there would 9 Billion Americans in the history of the United States... Today, America's population is about 330 million... The world's population is slowly approaching 7 Billion...
9 million? Possibly... 9 Billion... Impossible...
That wouldn't be a pamphlet - it would be an encyclopedia set.
I needed a number with a 9 in it. I am terrible at Math. There are still 9 planets right? How about 999,000? Number 9 Number 9, I'm scaring myself.
I wish someone would check Greg Palast's post in Democracy Now w/ Greg Palast for article on Romneys making $15M-$115M @ GM bailout thru Ann's trust 2009 taxes? Can't see? This strongly possible as to why. HOT, Rachael. Public needs to know. Why won't anyone in media check!!
Somewhere I saw Romney saying something like "I've balanced budgets throughout my career and that's the sensibility I'll bring to Washington." Looking at Mitt's history at Bain Capital, those are some weasil-y words, because Bain's main business model was to buy companies and load them up with new debt and extract cash for the Bain-sters. Unfortunately, I don't have a link to the quote.
25,000 UAW workers lost jobs, 4 donors made billions, 28 of 29 plants closed, Corp. HDQR moved to Jersey Island off the coast of France--no taxes reported, no business reports. Deception of the highest degree. Delphi plants...
You know, I like that you pick up on the lies Romney tells, but instead of just commenting "not true' or whatever, you need to give the proof so that it's not just his word against ours. Show examples of the proof against his lying, and we all have the arguments to put forward. With a few of these above, I haven't found the proof that Rmoney's statements are not true; in some cases they are just negative spin, but you could do us all a service by pointing out the proof with a few examples.
That's what the highlighted (bold) entries are, Just click on one and you'll get the info to back up each statement.
Try this: Romney’s central jobs argument exposed as fraudulent http://on.msnbc.com/ROUU6T via @maddow