First up from the God Machine this week are startling remarks from a religious right leader about women in society, just as women voters become the central focus of both presidential campaigns.
As my friend Kyle Mantyla reported at Right Wing Watch, the American Family Association's Bryan Fischer used his radio show earlier in the week to argue against women serving in leadership positions anywhere in society.
According to Fischer, "masculine leadership in society over the nation" is "God's basic plan for today," and "political leadership ought to be ... reserved for the hands of males." Anticipating criticism, the religious right leader added that those who believe in gender equality won't offer a "reasoned" response to his shameless misogyny.
Yes, this guy considers himself a credible arbiter of what is and isn't "reasoned" discourse.
It's almost as if Fischer, a Mitt Romney supporter, is trying to give the left a little additional motivation to turn out on Election Day.
Also from the God Machine this week:
* In Kountze, Texas: "A judge on Thursday gave a group of cheerleaders here a temporary victory in their fight to display Bible verses on banners at public school football games, allowing them to continue to use the signs for the rest of the season."
* Less than a year after prominent Southern Baptist pastor Robert Jeffress condemned Romney's faith -- he said the candidate is "a member of a cult" -- Jeffress now says he's "made peace" with Romney's Mormonism because he opposes President Obama more.
* On a related note, a reference to Mormonism as a cult was scrubbed from the website of the Billy Graham Evangelistic Association after Graham met privately with Romney.
* Another church-based sex scandal, this time involving Sovereign Grace Ministries: "Three female plaintiffs claim an evangelical church group covered up allegations of sexual abuse against children, failed to report accusations to the police and discouraged its members from cooperating with law enforcement, according to a lawsuit filed Wednesday" (thanks to reader R.P. for the tip).
* And a week after Dinesh D'Souza accused President Obama of "attacking the traditional values agenda" and "traditional morality," the conservative pseudo-intellectual activist reportedly shared a hotel room with a woman who was not his wife at a religious conference. On Thursday, he resigned as president of an evangelical Christian college in New York.
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"According to Fischer, "masculine leadership in society over the nation" is "God's basic plan for today," and "political leadership ought to be ... reserved for the hands of males."
A historical note to Fisher: It is now- and has been, for over a decade- the 21st Century. Not, as you seem to believe, still the 12th.
Do you see what is on the background behind him? How DO these people warp their minds into such pretzels?
If what he says is right, then that is ANOTHER reason for rejecting their "GOD"!
AFA has been designated by the Southern Law Poverty Center as a "hate group" for its views. Appears the only people they like are WASP's! - makes me wonder why he now "accepts" Mormons and Catholics? I guess his "GOD" is a "flip-flopper" too; maybe he has the original "Etch-a-Sketch"?
The thing that makes my teeth ache is that no matter what kind of inane nonsense he believes and insists on inflicting on the world, I still have to support this wacko's right to be a wacko! The problem with that is that it only feeds his egotistical sanctimony.
@oncearepublican, I would not have been so nice, nor so accomodating to Fischer as to excuse him of personal responsibility by blaming "God" for his pitiful clingings to his primitive ideology of preference.
locknpost,
I don't know if a god exists - certainly no god has ever shown himself to me - but you will notice I said "his GOD". Seems to me that these people make up their own gods.
If his god exists, then certainly it is not one I would want to worship!!
@oncearepublican. Nicely stated.
Mankind seeks to legitimize excuses to dominate and suppress others. It is unfathomable that any higher form, or universal connecting "entity", could have any similar motivations such that mankind has within the boundaries of human frailty.
Fischer is the voice of the Religious Wrong Id the way Todd Akin is the voice of the Republican Id. These guys (and women) really believe this. There is a group of women in the Religious Wrong who advocate taking away women's right to vote. A popular book among those people is "The 1872 Husband", which is just as nasty as it sounds - the man is the boss and can "correct" the woman as needed.
Mormonism isn't far behind. Only men can hold the "priesthood" and a husband can keep his wife from going to heaven if she isn't "a proper wife."
All these Fundamentalists - "christian", "muslim," "jewish", "hindu" (I purposely didn't capitalize these words because when they are used with "Fundamentalist" they are adjectives, not nouns, describing the shade of brown being dealt with) are alike - more in common with each other than with the respective religious societies they claim to be part of. The subjugation of women is Issue One. I am sure Bryan Fischer thinks that Malala Yousufzai got what she deserved and would be happy to curtail the education of girls.
Oncearepublican: I agree with you and they really do worship a false God. Here is what I learned: God has given each of us freewill to be able to choose what we want to do in life. No one has the right to impose their will on another and crush them into misery, despair, and death. When we pass on we are judged by our intention to others. We can be one with the light which is inside all of us. And this is just a minor highlight of it all. But I can tell you this, when you fight against those who are power cravers, corrupt, hypocrites, arrogant, greedy, and deceivers, you are God’s Children of Light.
These "KIND OF PEOPLE" embarrase the Christian Faith. They don't even know what the "GOOD BOOK" stands for. They just use it like it is the finnal word to suit "THEIR" needs. Please!
Jeffress now says he's "made peace" with Romney's Mormonism because he opposes President Obama more.
* On a related note, a reference to Mormonism as a cult was scrubbed from the website of the Billy Graham Evangelistic Association after Graham met privately with Romney.
Apparently, the god they claim is steadfast in his commands against cults isn't to be listened to when politics, race or money enter the picture.
Strong evidence that religious right leaders really don't give a rats ass about faith, spirituality, or morality. They care about how they can keep what they consider to be their cut of the power=money pie.
Jesus threw the money changers out of the temple for a very good reason. Jesus rebuked the Pharisees for a very good reason. Too bad those reasons are lost on leaders like Fischer and Graham.
"A historical note to Fisher: It is now- and has been, for over a decade- the 21st Century."
That's what Fischer is fighting against. Fundamentalists cannot stand modernism and the modern urban industrial culture.
"Then you've got to accuse Jesus of being the biggest chauvinist, the biggest sexist, the biggest bigot of them all."
No, I'm pretty sure Paul beats Jesus out in that regard, though that's mainly because I think Paul actually existed and was the dominant hand in crafting Fischer's bible.
People who believe in the literal interpretation of "the bible" such as this kook DO live in the 2nd century, not even the 12th or 21st century. If you use an obsolete book to dictate your behavior then you make decisions based on social conventions that existed thousands of years ago, which leads to shooting girls in the head for wanting an education for women or men saying that women shouldn't have positions of leadership in society. This is what basing decisions on religion, any religion, leads to.
Fischer didn't say males of what skin color? There seems to be a glitch about that too.
Jeffers: I will vote for a cultist with an R on his voter card before I will vote for a Christian with a D on his.
In your ignorance you fail to appreciate that God is the same yesterday, today and forever. Therefore His word and values are as pertinent today as they were 2,000 years ago. This teacher is correct even though you feminists reject any semblance of submission to male authority as if it is degrading and oppressive.
Day? 12th Century? T'aint even 12th century thinking. The 12th Century had Eleanor of Aquitaine for starters.
Would have loved to see what she would have done to anyone who told her that men had rule.
Absolutely correct, Kari!
I was simply flipping the TWO and the ONE for stylistic effect.
As Craig-711 says, maybe I should have just dropped the ONE, and gone for the 2nd Century.
Archangel777 - this is no teacher. This man embodies the persona of evil that Judeo-Christian teachings warn us about. He is part of a movement that closely resembles again this same definition of evil. Odd that the Bible says that a lot of people are likely to be taken in by this movement - this is exactly what we see today in soul-rotten mouthpieces like Bryan Fischer. If you place any trust in him then this places you among the fooled.
By that logic, the 14 year old girl in Pakistan, Malala Yousafzai should be shot in the head for being a girl in a school saying girls should be allowed to attend school.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/oct/09/pakistan-girl-shot-activism-swat-taliban
So girls are not to attend school because they are going to have a man to tell them what to do? Is that it?
We have really got to think this through. Are we really yearning for some authoritarians to determine our freedoms for us?
There, fixed it for you. Now you can proceed to the 21st Century, welcome aboard and have a nice trip.
Wait I'm confused. Why do people need to submit to any authority let alone it be male authority? You start with a false premise and then just snowball from there. Women don't need to submit to any authority any more than men need to submit to any authority. If they choose to submit to an authority that's their personal choice, but it has to be done voluntarily. Men don't just automatically start from the position that it's their job to go around pushing women onto their sides like some episode of the Dog Whisperer. Well, at least not men who are secure in their masculinity. Maybe you're compensating for something.
Because the Bible says so, eh? What if you're not Christian?
But the Bible does not say so
Q...,
If you are not a Khrisschun, then you have no rights that a "good Khrisschun" is bound to respect.
It is totally understandable why we have a separation of church and state in America and this is so much why we do, because these narrow-minded dough heads would really make your life miserable and put you into despair and death. But we also have a freedom of religion which is for people of all faiths or for people to be as they want to be.
I'm pretty sure he's specifically addressing Christians.
The problem with evangelicals is that Jesus was just too damn nice. His deficits include a stubborn inability to be angry and vengeful. Thank GOD we have the religious right to explain and correct Jesus' failings as a savior.
Everytime Fischer talks, crap comes out....he is full of it...
I totally agree with you. Just because the Bible (written by men to subjugate women) and just because it says all the apostles were men, he thinks women are inferior. Does he even know that the Apostle Paul hated women? (that possibly Paul was gay?) Does he know that the new Testament was written many many years (first century AD) AFTER the death of Christ? That Jesus felt that all people, male or female, any race, were EQUAL? I really am getting very very tired of these idiots dragging out these old tired arguments against women. When women are respected, society does much better than when women are treated like second class citizens.
Does he even know that the very first apostle (a messenger) was a woman? Christ selected Mary to give the news that he has risen to the other apostles :O
some evidence of christ's love for women still exist in the bible, even after centuries of purging by men like the idiot fischer
Jeffress and Franklin are quite the pragmatists. Blessed are the wealthy; woe to the poor.
I thought it was "Blessed are the Cheese makers"
In this day and age, for the richie rich, it's "Blessed are the Chinese makers".
Blessed are the peace makers. Not the lie mongers. It is feed the hungry.
Nothing about forgiveness for greed and power either. The meek shall inherit the earth. Once they ruin it, who in the hell would want it?
The funny (or maybe unfunny) thing to me is that this kind of behavior directed at any other group of thee population would be viewed as ridiculous at best and more than likely hateful and evil.
Take the word "Women" and substitute "African-American" or "Hispanic" and see how it sounds then. Even wrapping it up in religion wouldn't make it forgivable. The only thing that gets these people off the hook with society at large is that they are talking about women.
Hows that for a "reasoned" response Mr. Fischer
I'm actually pretty sure African- Americans and Hispanics are next on his list. The mark of Cain is dark skin has been around for a while. Just ask the Mormons.
Just for the sake of reference, in the Book of Mormon it's:
2Nephi 5:20-25
Alma 3:6-10
@Dragoon21b:
Long before "christianity" reared its head, Teh Females were the Big Cheese(makers).
Venus of Willendorf, for example, circa 22,000 BCE.
But Christianity, Judaism,and Islam all relegated women to their "proper place". And are now firmly joined by the Republican Party.
Even in the earliest symbol of fertility of an age when clan survival was dependent upon procreation, I always found "Venus" to be a humble representation of human condition; the lack of facial delineation, the arms arrest upon the breast, the spherical and spheroid sense of harmony...
I've always believed the human desire and artistic capability to create is an inborn essential of human nature. Though... I have no proof of this.
percyowner: Well if they got that attitude about getting rid of African Americans their going to have to also get rid of themselves and the 7 billion people on this planet, since we are all really Africans. That is an absolute fact, especially right from our DNA accumulated for the Eve Theory. The Namaste Tribe or also called the Desert People in Africa have skin color that varies plus it could of been the inter-breeding, environment and viruses that changed or affected skin color. And actually most peoples DNA is very limited, but the Nasmaste tribe people have the most diverse DNA.
@Day: You know that the world isn't but 6000 years old. The house science committee said so.
All kidding aside there are at least 9 women on the house Science committee and two of them are Republicans...how do these women manage to sit through meetings without actually bashing someone over the head is beyond my capacity (but then again I am only a man)
Dragoon
These women are followers of Christ, as opposed to the 'Christians' referenced above. Jesus never said anything these clods do. The closest thing to a political statement Jesus said was 'Render unto Caesar what is Caesar's'. The noise we hear from Fischer is MAN'S invention.
Sorry, Dragoon, but your reference to "render unto Caesar" makes the common mistake of using it to "prove" a separation between the sacred and the secular. It doesn't work, because both Jesus and the Pharisees were intimately familiar with the Psalms. In Psalm 47, it reads "the kings of the earth belong to God". So - what Jesus was saying wasn't separate the political from the religious; he was saying that they were asking the wrong question. If the gold belongs to Caesar, but Caesar [whether he knows it or not] belongs to God, then who cares whether you pay taxes to Caesar? Or, to put it more bluntly, Jesus was saying "don't ask bull@!$%# questions".
@Ben, I wasn't the one who mentioned Caesar. That comment was in response to a rhetorical statement I made about the women on the house science committee.
As for your point, if I am understanding it correctly, your basic premise is that essentialy "All things belong to God". Which as a religious statment I am fine with. as faith and belief relate to a persons words and actions however, I fully support and respect that persons right to those beliefs so long as they do not seek to impose them on others against their will, or to demean them or do them harm based on those beliefs.
I stand by my origional observation in this thread that what Mr. Fischer is saying is blatant misogyny and bigotry and that if he were describing any other group, he would not just be pilloried by those of us that post here but by the public at large and made the pariah he rightly deserves to be.
And I will stand by my observation that Jesus NEVER endorsed Mr. Fischer's blatant misogyny and bigotry in word or deed. Any such behavior is, by definition, NOT CHRISTIAN and never will be no matter how many churches say he is a pastor.
As I have said on several occasions, the most astonishing thing to me about the 2012 election is that if Mitt Romney wins, it will be with the votes of millions of evangelical Christians who honestly believe he belongs to a satanic cult but who still find that preferable to a black Democrat who is trying to improve the lives of poor people.
Why would anyone 55 and older vote for Romney? Do they not realize that if he gets his way with his health care voucher system that health care will be continuously more expensive for older people?
What I've noticed about Republicans is that they believe that Romney is on both sides of the issue for "expediency".
The rwn's believe he is "pretending to be moderate" to win the election, but really, he completely believes in what THEY believe in.
The "moderate" Republicans believe he is "pretending to be ultra-conservative" to win the election, but really, he is completely as moderate as they are.
Romney has somehow manipulated both groups to believe that Romney represents THEM, when in reality, he only represents himself!
I find that among older Americans also. Most older Americans think he really doesn't mean what he says about medicare and Obamacare - that he is only saying things about vouchers and health care for "expediency". After the election, they "know" he won't do what he's been saying!!!
Tom51, replace Romney with Obama and that's what they are being told by the teapubs. They believe it just like they believe Obama is a Kenyan mooslim.
I know several older people and am one myself, so I can truthfully state the Mr. Romney scares us to death. Not only about Medicare, Social Security, abortion, contraception, taking public lands (including Parks?) for drilling, increasing taxes for the middle income and poor, wanting to start another war and the LGBT community, but even more because he is totally clueless what the world is really about.
He only sees the world through the wants and needs of Mitt Romney and cannot comprehend that he is not the center of the universe to the rest of us. Data (of Star Trek fame) has infinitely more humanity and compassion and understanding of the human condition than Mitt Romney.
Add to that, even his own wife is concerned about his mental health. And they seriously want to vote for him as President??????
This is the man Grover Nordquist groomed to hold the pen that signs the bills he gets passed. A line from a Isaac Asimov novel went; 'The problem with bribing people is that they don't stay bought.' Mr. Romney moves with any breeze and that spells disaster for this nation. Vote Democratic.
Boy, this Fischer guy is going to be surprised when he learns that God had decided to send his daughter this time around.
Actually, it is more like God's Children of Light, because we are all God's children and really anybody can obtain with what we have inside of us. Mary Magdalene, Thecla, and many other women and men experienced it plus the many people these modern days who are experiencing it, but you never hear of it.
Weak men fear strong women.
I forgot to mention the time when I was young, and my Mom refused to let me be Mary Magdalene for Halloween, so I just dressed up like her at my Jr. Prom.
a new pew study shows that hispanic voters' party i.d. and candidate preference basically breaks down along religious lines
"Eight-in-ten religiously unaffiliated Latino voters (who make up 15% of the Latino electorate) and seven-in-ten Latino Catholics (57% of the Latino electorate) are Democrats or lean toward the Democratic Party.
Among Latino evangelical voters, identification with the Democratic Party is lower; about half are Democrats or lean Democratic, while about a third are Republicans or lean toward the Republican Party.
Three-quarters of Latino Catholics and eight-in-ten religiously unaffiliated Latinos support President Barack Obama’s re-election. However, among Latino evangelical Protestants, who account for 16% of all Latino registered voters, just 50% prefer Obama, while 39% support his Republican challenger, Mitt Romney."
in addition....
"For the first time since the Pew Hispanic Center began asking the question in its National Survey of Latinos, more Hispanics favor allowing gays and lesbians to marry legally (52%) than oppose same-sex marriage (34%)."
http://www.pewforum.org/Race/Latinos-Religion-and-Campaign-2012.aspx
in additional bryan fischer news:
american family association calls anti-bullying day pro-gay
“It’s just another thinly veiled attempt to promote the homosexual agenda. No one is in favor of anyone getting bullied for any reason, but these anti-bullying policies become a mechanism for punishing Christian students who believe that homosexual behavior is not something that should be normalized,” said Bryan Fischer, director of issue analysis for the American Family Association.
The AFA is urging parents to keep their children home from school on Oct. 30, the day most of the schools plan to participate in this years Mix It Up at Lunch Day.
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/15/us/seeing-a-homosexual-agenda-christian-group-protests-an-anti-bullying-program.html?nl=todaysheadlines&emc=edit_th_20121015
He also got kicked off a CNN interview show this week for all the spew and is now saying this proves the "Gay Nazis" are out to "get" Christians. Kirk Cameron got the same treatment on Piers Morgan for his crap, and spoke at "Liberty" University this week about how there are still "blasphemy laws" in America and "Christians" can be taken out in the public square and stoned for "speaking truth" about the sin of homosexuality. Ahh, they're such "martyrs."
Every time I look at these people, I wish the Romans (who did not have mass killings of Christians in the Colisseum other than the one time Nero did it - all the "persecution" is Christian mythological propaganda, just like they do today) had been more diligent in tracking down the group of crazies in Palestine back when it would have been easy to end the insanity.
University should also be in quotes. Higher learning?
Fischer belongs to a hate group. I do not understand why your giving this guy the time of day. Seriously he is not worth it. He doesn't speak for God. He is not a follower of Christian and he knows nothing of the Bible. There was strong women in the Bible and there was women leaders in the Bible. The Bible does not say anywhere that men are the leaders (except for the household where most Christians get this idea from). Paul did not like women much, and he often spoke against them. I think Paul was at times a woman hater. What people need to understand is that Paul had his own ideas on how the so-called kingdom was to be ran and that often contradicts what Christ said--including Christ's stance on women. Here is one that the Catholic church denies to this day is that Christ-wait for it--had women disciples that followed him everywhere. It was as scandalous now as it was then. Fischer doesn't know what he is talking about and is nothing but a hater. Case closed.
Paul was most certainly a self-hating homosexual. He's certainly the worst thing that ever happened to the religion past its founding.
The baleful influence of Saul the Misogynist (aka St. Paul) is one of the reasons that Christianity is sometimes dismissed as Paulianity.
Who knows what Saul said. An oral tradition, put on paper hundreds of years after the event, and the most highly edited document in existence, could easily be shaped to have Saul say what the culture of the editor's time believed. Saul does appear to be one of the few followers to have direct experience with the light and sound of God.....a.k.a. Holy Spirit in its most raw form.
Dave, since our information about Saul's 'light and sound' experience is in those very same papers put together hundreds of years after the events, who knows if even his experience was real?
(Just following your own logic, here.)
Or maybe he just had a stroke or epileptic fit that made him fall off his horse and see visions, and the voice & the pyrotechnics had nothing to do with any entity other than Saul himself.
@Standing Turtle- actually Paul did tell women to be silent in 1Corinthians, which some use as justification for telling women not to be involved in leadership roles in the church. HOWEVER, if you consider that the letter was written in response to the conflicts among the male leaders that were going on in the church and the struggle to get them settled down, it makes more sense that he was addressing the women advising them not to get caught up in it, so he could get the men straightened out in their thinking. You want female leadership-- check out Tabitha and what she did for taking care of the organizing the church to care for the sick and hungry.
Good point jcricket! Perhaps an editor needed a spiritual "event" to entice readers.
Paul, the Spouter of Lies.
His words are responsible for anti-semitism and abuses over the years on women.
no one hated women more. He gave these men all of the justification they needed with his hateful words.
Ephesians 5:22-23
The apostle Paul on husbands and wives: "Wives, be subject to your husbands as you are to the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife just as Christ is the head of the church."
1 Corinthians 14:34-35
Paul on women's conduct in church: "Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak... And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home."
1 Timothy 2:13-15
Paul on why women should be silent in church: "For Adam was formed first, then Eve; and Adam was not deceived, but the woman was deceived and became a transgressor. Yet she will be saved through childbearing, provided [she] continue in faith and love and holiness, with modesty."
Titus 2:3-5
Paul on how to instruct women: "Likewise, tell the older women to be reverent in behavior, not to be slanderers or slaves to drink; they are to teach what is good, so that they may encourage the young women to love their husbands, to love their children, to be self-controlled, chaste, good managers of the household, kind, being submissive to their husbands, so that the word of God may not be discredited."
Yes Chi,, I feel the force within you......
Not every person in the bible should be held up to the light and acknowledged as true, Remember a lot has been added to the Bible and a lot has been taken out. Pauls' doctrine may have been placed in the Bible to wake us up to the fact that there are some who would take and use Jesus for their own selfish gain. Paul was originally a mass murderer who I believe was in the Roman army. Jesus brought him in under his wing but, later after Jesus died Paul decided to spread the good news about Jesus, using his own words and prophecies, which just don't mesh with the original teachings of Jesus. Much like what is happening today. Paul was later beheaded. Remember what the walrus said, Paul is dead.
more "twig" news
In a tongue-and-cheek political jab, critics of Georgia's Republican Congressman Paul Broun have started a campaign to push famed naturalist Charles Darwin as the write-in candidate against Broun in the upcoming Nov. 6 congressional election.
The campaign was started by Atlanta-based radio talk show host Neal Boortz, who said on his radio show that Broun's previous comments about evolution, "makes Republicans look like knee-dragging, still-tending, tobacco-spitting Neanderthals."
http://global.christianpost.com/news/ga-congressman-paul-brouns-evolution-comments-spark-darwin-for-congress-campaign-83610/
If only jebus had said "women and men are equals" and "no man shall enslave another". Ten words from his mouth that would have made the world a much better place. Certainly there would have been no civil war in the U.S.
But the facts show that women are better people than men are...
Women watch 1% of the porn that men do.
Women are much more monogamous.
Women live longer.
Women see colors better.
Women are more spiritual.
Women are the drivers in 1/4 of fatal accidents.
Women are better read.
Women smell better.
Women have better immune systems.
Women test higher on IQ tests.
Women commit 1% of the assaults that men do.
Your many examples here.
Many of the above are moral issues, women are much more moral than men.
I am not a woman.
Jesus probably did, but they just "edited" that tidbit out when they were putting the Bible together at the First Council of Nicaea.
LuzCanN: Actually Jesus did in essence say women are equal to men where he made the comment that Jesus would make a woman a man than. Take a look at all the sayings from Jesus in the Gospel of Thomas which can be found at earlychristianwritings.com. Plus the many other Gospels that they never put into the Bible which makes it incomplete. There was many women in the Christian movement at the time and in many cases had more authority as Desciples of Jesus than men when it came to understanding Jesus and his teachings. It is a fact Jesus was very much for the equality, rights, choices, freedoms, freewill, etc of women. Mary Magdalene is the Apostle of the Apostles. Thecla is pretty cool and she was very much for her freedom, equality, rights, choices. etc. and she never took no for an answer as God and Jesus did watch over her.
It was politically incorrect to make either statements, then and maybe even now.
You forgot that women have better hand/eye coordination than men. As a former teacher of shooting sports, they are simply awesome!
Thankyou man!! My billiards team just got pounded by three little old ladies,,, truely awsome! And we are difinitely not slouches.
Women are more empathetic.
And I don't know how to say it briefly or well enough, but women put their lives on the line to have children..
Probably handle stress better.
Mature sooner...
After reading all of Luz CanN et al evidence over the last 24 hours, it becomes painfully obvious that men have an inferiority complex, and are acting out like three year olds. Immature ones, at that.
Ladies, after you finish cleaning the house, PLEASE run for office, and clean up the House!
Only if you help, that is what we are here for to help each other.
of possible interest to readers from california.....
a number of well known anti-gay activists have joined with the koch brothers to bankroll prop 32
http://www.alternet.org/labor/not-just-union-buster-why-some-nations-most-vociferously-anti-gay-religious-activists-are?akid=9531.128398.cWEGH4&rd=1&src=newsletter726768&t=19
Prop 32 is designed to selectively destroy the voice of labor on political and social issues. Corporate Super PACs are exempt since their money does not come from payroll deductions. Reform is not reform if it is structured for partisan benefit, promoting inequality.
Prop 32 is a trojan horse built by the 1%.
That is a biggie to vote NO on 32 in CA. The writers of it are not exempt, yet they want to prevent unions from donating to the opposition. Corps trying to tilt the field to favor themselves again.
Also, I am asking for Yes on 30 and No on 38, for the schools. 38 does not address the higher education or teachers. As my friend at State University says, without teachers we are not going to educate anyone.
The Gov. knows well the budget issues and he is for Yes on 30. I heard it is the one with most votes, so that's why I prefer 30 over 38.
I am a Catholic and I feel confident in saying that if this guy believes that women should not be in positions of power, well I'm sure there is a way to "Shut that whole process down". I think Senator Akin would be proud of this guy.
I am amazed at these narrow-minded religious men, when you know they are going again Oh these uppity women what are we to do with them. These narrow-minded religious men cannot call women witches this time where it was how many women were burned at the stake because of being called a witch. There was one town in the European area where every single woman was murdered though. These narrow-minded religious men are hiding behind closed doors though scheming to prepare their latest lies, but really are afraid of the boogey man under the bed. You see they do not want the real truth coming out about Jesus and what he stood for and they are so determined to keep those lies up. But Jesus was never about lies, but for the truth.
And Satan is the Father of lies and if you wonder he can be found, his favorite place to deceive, look within churches, because if he can plant lies in those religious leaders, and people look to them for guidance, his work is made easy.
Religion aside,is it just me or does Willard Romney bear a striking resemblance to the Giant Stone Heads on Easter Island? Another sign of the apocalypse?
Romney also bears a resemblance to the cartoon president in Monsters vs. Aliens.
http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=monsters+vs+aliens+president&mid=7EF28DF1F5D845EA982E7EF28DF1F5D845EA982E&view=detail&FORM=VIRE3
I think it would be more than eerie if someone photoshopped Sarah Palin hair onto twitt.
Romney reminds me too much of Blairs' boyfriend on Facts of Life. That or Jan Bradys' fictitious boyfriend John Glass.
Eileen...
The President in Monsters vs. Aliens was based on Stephen Colbert, The same comedian who supplied the voice...
it's almost as if these people have no concept of the idea of "separation of church and state."
oh wait....they don't.
I wonder if this guy is one of those preachers who has preached for many years that Mormonism is an "evil cult" ?
he sounds like the Taliban
He is most definitely part of the American Taliban.
Most of these religions and their leaders sound like the taliban to me.
He's lying! Throughout the NT there's mention of the women Jesus invested with leadership.
It's especially interesting to consider the leader Junia (a woman's name) which some traditions LATER changed to Junius (a man's name). There is no contemporary support for the very existence of the name Junius for men, and scholars today believe that it was changed a couple hundred years after Jesus to reflect and back-date the politico-religious prejudice against women.
It's also thought--by scholars of NT history--that the books of the Bible that reflect this tradition are a) later interpolations or b) falsely attributed to Paul. Listen, the guy was bad enough in what's actually likely that he wrote, but the false attributions make him seem even worse.
But why isn't anyone asking about how Romney's religious beliefs influence his policies concerning women. I don't believe that women have positions of power in the Mormon church. Then ask if it strikes him as odd that there were no female partners at Bain Capital during his tenure. There is a connection here that is not being made.
That would have been my follow up question after his "women in binders" remark at the debates. He was a businessman for 25 years and never met a woman in a high level of a business? Of course, the answer would probably have been right there with the women in binders.
Or you know, maybe he was refering to Chinese women. After all, didn't they "bind" their feet for centuries there? We should take a closer look at Willard's answer.
I think you have hit on one of the most important questions not asked in this election thus far; other than a great article Oct 9th in Time Magazine. There has been little attention paid to Romneys religion and how it has influenced his world view or his Mormon enculturated values vs the values of ordinary Americans who share a wide range of values, beliefs and tolerants.
Particularly as he is both a Bishop and a Stake president. He obviously is very devoted to his church and his religion, so asking what effect his beliefs would have on his decisions were he elected President, is a valid question. The Romney team will try to label any questions about his religiosity as religious warfare, and claim that a person's religion is his own business, but we only have to look as far as 2008 and the unceasing attacks on Obama's association with the United Church of Christ and Jeremiah Wright to see that religious warfare was practiced first by the Republicans.
Or his church is very devoted to him...pushing him up through the ranks because he's a wealthy tither.
How many of the true lowly, Jesus's kind, those from below the poverty line make Bishop/Deacon in any church?
This guy is a waste of skin. Let's spit him into the wind and watch him dissolve into nothingness.
waste of skin. nice one.
How does he explain Deborah?--I believe she was in a position of power--I don't think Mr. F. has read the Bible. Maybe someone can suggest that to him.
This man is insane and this is the reason so many people see christians as fanatics. I was raised by a strong single mom in the 60's and 70's. It was hard then, for me if Mitt Romney is elected I'm moving out of country. I don't want to live in a world or country were I as a woman don't matter.
To quote Bill Murray in Stripes "You can't leave, all the plants will die"
Besides think of it this way...do you REALY want these people to have unopposed control of Nuclear weapons? <Shudder>
The koch and their toxic waste scare me. They may well be the ones who destroy the earth and all life on it.