President Obama talked to Ohioans on Friday about Republican opposition to Bill Clinton's economic agenda in the early 1990s. When Obama noted that "a Senate candidate by the name of Mitt Romney" was among those who said Clinton was wrong, the audience started to boo. The president's response seems to have made the right very excited.
For those who can't watch clips online, the president said, "No, don't boo; vote. Vote. Voting is the best revenge."
Almost immediately, Republican blogs erupted with condemnations of the off-hand remark, and yesterday, Mitt Romney and his aides got excited about it, too.
The Republican candidate, for example, delivered three speeches yesterday, and complained about Obama's "revenge" comment at each event. Paul Ryan also pretended to be outraged over this. By mid-day, his campaign had put together a video suggesting Obama is somehow unpatriotic -- Romney believes people should vote out of "love of country," unlike the incumbent.
The entire line of attack seems rather sad -- it's more forced than sincere -- but the larger takeaway is that the Romney campaign has spent months chasing after every shiny object that catches their eye.
This campaign is going to be about "the private sector is doing fine"! Wait, scratch that, it's going to be about "you didn't build that"! Oh, actually, on second thought, it's going to be about the "redistribution" quote from 1998! Hold on, now it's going to be about "you can't change Washington from the inside"! On second thought, it's going to be about "not optimal"! No, wait, it's going to be about characterizing developments in the Middle East as "bumps in the road"!
This is precisely why I've compared Team Romney to small children playing soccer, running wildly to wherever they see a bouncing ball, whether it's strategically wise or not. There's certainly nothing wrong with a campaign taking advantage of new opportunities, but haphazardly shifting from one out-of-context sound bite to another is evidence of an unfocused candidate in search of an effective message.





Not revenge. What Jon Stewart said.
http://chicago.craigslist.org/chc/lbg/3385311702.html
Thought you might want to see that. I'm sure this is all over the country, but specifics are always neat.
Seems they will have company from the DOJ. I wonder how that will work for them?Think it might ruin their day?
Oh there's going to be a little bit of revenge in my vote. I really want to get it through all the heads of those neocons and RWN's who destroyed my party, that their self-serving policies ARE NOT WANTED in this country!!! I want the Republican party to come back to SANITY!!! I will NOT vote for any Republican, no matter how capable I think the person is, until these people are ejected!!!
I see FoxNation has glommed on to that "revenge" comment - I guess they have NOTHING ELSE to say anymore!
It so sad. Romney TOLD these people what the President said. He TOLD them he was 'a businessman, a success and that he had a plan. He has showed nothing. He has blamed Obama for every single thing the GOP has done on the trail this year. He has sowed the seeds of divisiveness by pretending to be outraged and pretending the President has done 'nothing'. And they believe.
all i see is a angry president who has nothing to run on!!! cant get along with anybody, failed monetary/fiscal policies, failed immigration policy, failed security policies.. Romney for next president!!!!!!
Obama has nothing to run on???
Explain yourself if you just aren't "parroting"!
What failed monetary/fiscal policies:
What failed immigragion policy?
What failed security policies?
As for your last comment: http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/
So sorry for you!!
A site which came up a few years ago might tell you what Obama has done. Go to http://whatthe@!$%#hasobamadonesofar.com, and see for yourself.
Well, the site monitor won't allow a certain four letter word in the title of the web site to print, so just substitute an impossible act of carnal depravity for the four letters in the address, starting with "f" and ending with "k".
It is always so easy for people who are in a position to do NOTHING to criticize those who are doing something. It is also all noise. This is particularly true with Romney as we have no idea of his true position, plans or feelings (except regarding 47% of Americans).
It bothers me a bit that after 4 years of Republican obstruction (on the budget, financial policy, immigration policy, national security, job creation and this bizzare social agenda they have seeking to roll back the clock 70-100 years for women) they can now get away with pretending that Obama "failed". And this after the Republican Party openly declared that their primary job was making sure Obama wasn't re-elected...immediately following his election in '08.
If lies were votes Romney would already have it sewed up.
rwsgate - cute avatar! and I love that web site, too.
BTW, the "site monitor" does allow that four letter word (and others) to "print". However, in order for you to be able to see it, you have to go to your own Vine page (click on your user name, that will take you right there) and click on the "account" link in the black bar near the top of the page. Once you land on your account information page, below where you can add/change your avatar, you'll see a line saying "Profanity Filter" with radio buttons for "on" and "off". Select "off" and save the account info, and once you've reloaded this page you'll see the four-letter words in all their profane glory. :D
Get Enraged and Engaged:
Mooch the Vote 2012!
;-)
Here is what he is running on, just some folks have been lied to and whatever else it is that makes them hate the President that accomplished all this with an arm tied behind his back.
Something to run on. Here ya go:
http://www.barackobama.com/news/entry/what-obamas-accomplished?utm_medium=email&utm_source=obama&utm_content=View+the+list+here&utm_campaign=em12_20121031_ft_act&source=em12_20121031_ft_act
The equivalent to the "wtf" site is a less censor-worthy version:
http://whattheheckhasobamadonesofar.com/
(Same site just a little less censorable URL.)
Romney is lame. If Obama was white this election would not be close.
"If Obama was white..."
I'm sure his mother might have something to say about that.
Obama is black. And Obama's mother prepared him for that.
Obama self identifies as black, because America has treated him not as a bi racial person, but a black person.
My husband is white. Our children are black. Because that is the reality of race and racism in America.
Welcome to the real world of race and the role it plays in America, FP.
FuturePrez2016 I accept that there are intractable issues . From Paul Garrity's simplistic destruction mandating forced bussing in Boston , to those for whom harboring an apparent revulsion of a black man in the White House is a spoken , or unspoken , verity . There is little I can do about either aside from being conscientious , fair and decent in my own existence . Never the less I chuckled pretty much at the idea of the latter group wrestling with your point .
ok in fairness how do you treat someone as a "bi racial person"? I would think you would just treat them as "A Person". Human dignity and respect is not something that comes in flavors or degrees.
I think the problem we tend to let get lost in this country when we talk about things like this is that what is really at issue are class and economic opportunity issues. It gets framed as a race issue a lot of times because minorities are disproportionately affected by those issues.
The political right have a need and desire to frame this election in terms of race for their base. It has been used as a political bogeyman throughout American history to frighten people, uasualy rural whites, and get them to the polls to vote against their own self-interests on issues regarding poverty, class representation and economic opportunity.
Obama is a living breathing testament to the fact that race is not a barrier to the ability to achieve and that scares the hell out of them so they try link him to words like "Revenge" and "Redistribution" hoping that it will make just enough of a difference to let them win.
The thing that Democrats and Progressives have to remember is to not get caught up in the rights narrative of what this campaign is about or to let them define us.
This post is made with all due respect, Dragon. It really is.
Ask my 16 yr. old son that question, and he would answer you: they treat you as "A BLACK PERSON."
And you just can't say "what is really at issue are class and economic issues... gets framed as race issues alot of the times because minorities are disproportionately affected by those issues."
If that statement were true, then Obama would not be treated the way that he has during his Presidency and the upcoming election. Obama is a rich, successful black person and the right has called him everything except n*gger(and have really come close to it, using that term as well).
If it is just a "class or economic" issue, the right would not be playing the race card so heavily and holding Obama to double standards the way that they have. The point being: race still matters in America.
Obama is a living breathing testament to the advances of civil rights and access to a quality education, of succeeding against all odds.
Yes, race and rights matter. And those on the right know that. That is why they are working so hard to turn back those gains that were made so that folks like Obama can never become President again, and diminish the social, political, and economic progress of women.
We are defined by race. There is no getting around it. I wish that it didn't for the lives of my children and myself and my husband. But it does. And Progressives and Democrats need to be reminded of that because those on the right certainly know that. And they are trying everything that they can to reverse the progress of people of color and women.
Well put Donna , I would take this occasion to also acknowledged many dems sincerely and actively try to view people in a NON RACIAL frame , and I am very sensitive when I see people not standing up and doing the same
Unfortunately , with the advent of obama , I have even seen my fellow dems racist attitudes flare , group think takes over , the rights constant barrage of what Donna explains so well has had an effect on people , the unfair label of " BLACK PEOPLE ARE ALL ON WELFARE / AND THAT IS WHAT OBAMA REPRESENTS " , has been full steam ahead in america for the last 4 years
Just like everything else , the right has politicized yet another issue , RACISM!! , but they politicize EVERYTHING!!!!! AND NO , BOTH SIDES DO NOT DO THAT EITHER!!! :)
Good points, Pantango.
The definition of politicize is:to bring a political character or flavor to; make political: to politicize a private dispute.
and: to engage in or discuss politics.
Both sides do indeed politicize racism but for different reasons:
The right does it as a means to diminish the gains for women and minorities that the civil rights movement achieved.
The left does it to bring attention to what the right is trying to do and to promote justice and equality for all(at least I sure hope that they do).
The concept of racism being politicized need not be a bad thing: without that process, the civil rights movement would have been all for nothing; there were laws passed and enacted because race and the movement being politicized.
I am encouraged by folks like you, but I have found many of my progressive friends have a blind spot when it comes to issues of race and often can become quite defensive when shown that they have that blind spot.
It is my hope that Dems and Progressives continue to increase their knowledge about race and the role it plays in America, so that the gains that were made will not be eroded or ended all together.
I am learning more all the time. I would like white people (I am one) to read Tim Wise or listen to him. We think we are so well informed on this. I am a baby boomer, so I have lived through segregation and civil rights era. Having the caucasian experience not the black experience, I did not know much at all.
We caucasians have to admit our privilege. We have to admit racism includes having a pass that black people, or anyone that is not caucasian looking or sounding doesn't carry. We carry all the past years of our privilege with us as well.
I was married to a black man with 4 children living with us. Only when I was physically with them was I treated anything other than having a pass. Our separation and divorce had absolutely nothing to do with race, it was much more complicated, I will spare the reader the details.
Tim Wise has a sometimes brash way of telling it like it is, but it needs to be told that way and folks need to listen, not say Oh, those times hare passed. They are not past, and I for one enjoy the variations and am drawn to the variations.
http://www.timwise.org
Sorry to barge in, but I just felt compelled to speak.
Wow, Sandy!
Thanks for sharing! My husband and I had really interesting debates, heated, discussions, and sometimes, big fights about race.
But all of that ended when our son was born. He saw first hand, that racism has not ended. And he told me as much. And I did not feel vindicated. I felt sad. Sad that my husband's rosy outlook was incorrect. Sad for my son who will have to navigate his way thru this system and come out, not in pieces, not dead, but somehow, whole.
But I do not give up hope. But I do get pretty @!$%#in pissed(and my husband is there to help me chill out about it).
Don't give up, keep the faith, and know that I have met more people like you and Pantango as time has gone by(we have been married 23 years now).
We must not say that racism is a non issue. It still is here and we must continue on this path until every race, every woman are treated as equals!
And I am glad that good folks like you are willing to keep walking down that path of equality for all!
:)
I am very hopeful for the future and I think every year that passes does improve the prospects. The younger folks are not being raised separately as much as before, so they know people of many races, religions, and orientations, sexual, gender, all of the above. It's for the good. Fears of "other" is less harmful when we know someone who is "other".
Great analogy in the article. The Republicans' (and Fox's, of course) crocodile outrage over this line is typical of the entire Romney campaign, the most dishonest in the history of the republic. Good riddance to the Romneyites. Let Mitt worry about his car elevator and funds all around the world, let Ann play with her horse and Ryan can win the Boston Marathon again.
cry baby..
And here come the trolls!
I wonder how many of these idiots will be here Nov 7th?
oncearepublican, the thing I'm looking forward to the most ... after breathing a sigh of relief along with the rest of the world that the US reelected a sane, diplomatic thinker who won't throw the rest of us into war and chaos ... is coming here to find the trolls hiding under their bridges and leaving us in peace.
Imagine, actual discourse? Disagreements about policy matters without name-calling, hideous grammar and worse spelling? *sigh* 'tis a consummation devoutly to be wished ...
Oh, yea!! I want this blog to back to the way it was before all the trolling!!!! I miss the long, intellectual discourses!
After the election the paid trolls will lose their jobs and the wingnuts will go back to their uni-bomber cabins and bunkers in Montana...
And in about a month some idiot will start in on how the left is waging a war on Christmas and it will start all over again
HellSorry H-E-double hockey sticks. On November 7th there will be caterwauling how Romney wasn't conservative enough followed by the pundit class on November 8th speculating on 2016 , followed on the 9th by the first anti-democratic superpac ad of the 2016 election decrying Obama and his lack of progress in his second term .Why on Day One Mitt would have.........
I suspect that November 7 will be devoted to lots of right wing lunacy, concocting explanations about how Obama really lost the election and that he is not the legitimate President of the U. S.
Dudes, you're totally harshing my mellow over here ...
The trolls are going away, never to return. It shall be so! I foresayeth! ... please??
I feel that 80's , my brain goes into retirement mode after such elections , enough is enough , just ignoring all those things is SOP , the trolls do not even matter any more , time to move on , bigger better
Now imagine the man leading that organization leading the United States of America. Short term gains and tactics with no vision at all. Even Bush had more real vision that Mitt.
magcs11 has the typical repug bullying approach to most issues. ..the troll.
I voted for Obama and hope we clear enough of the repug idiots out to allow him to get this job done.
In my paper today a full page ad by Billy Graham touting the fake family and abortion agenda in a thinly veiled support of Romney. No mention of course of the duty we have to the widows, orphans etc my president represents..
Time to TAX CHURCHES as the money making industry they represent!
Might I suggest that the president's use of "That's the best revenge" comes from the meditations of Marcus Aurelius (in his book of the same name, "Meditations" Book Six, number six). He says "To refrain from imitation is the best revenge", referring to conduct that is stoic, which does not give in to harsh circumstances or people or imitate them, but act as you can to make things right.
Mr. Romney's silly interpretation of the president's words as 'voting for revenge' shows a deliberate manipulation of syntax to sound completely opposite to it's true meaning....so what else is new with the republican candidate?!
You must !
i agree he only said voting is the best revenge,, he did not order peoples to vote democrats,,mr obama, mrs obama, they always said we need to vote,,,nothing was offensive in the way he said it,,it was not violent,,the voters have to listen to the whole speach,,, with all the fraud and manipulations to stop peoples from voting,,in florida, they are really bad,,and voting is revenge against the vote suppression,,i am with you mr obama,,,i am white but i vote for intelligent peoples,,black,white,,for me it does not count,,i am color blind if the person does a good job..all americans should be color blind,,,mr obama did a great job for 4 years ,,,i voted already,,nothing would stop me even in florida
The first thing that came to mind when I read about the "revenge" comment and all the right-wingers flipping out over it, was the quote, "The best revenge is massive success." I believe it has been attributed to Frank Sinatra. I just assumed the President was alluding to that quote in his own way.
BTW, Eileen, thanks for including the attribution in your comments. So few do that anymore!
The president has been compared to Marcus Aurelius by some and "Meditations' is one of Bill Clinton's favorite books, by the way, so the degrees of separation are not much.
It should be noted that the president did not say, "Voting for ME is the best revenge." He said, "VOTING is the best revenge." Sounds pretty pro-democracy, pro-America, pro-civics lesson. Why should urging people to vote be offensive to anybody. Unless, of course, you are a Republican or, please forgive the redundancy, part of Faux News.
The GOP doesn't want the grand majority of people voting; that's why they've struggled and pushed and lied to make it harder. They know that, in a fair contest, they lose.
Actually, this fits perfectly into the meta-theme of White Resentment against all the moochers and loafers and takers who, they are convinced, are living off the tax dollars that hardworking white people pay in, who are undoubtedly blacks, Hispanics, hippies, gays and lesbians, bureaucrats, members of teachers' unions, atheists, Muslims, and the like.
Because not only are these people moochers and loafers and takers, but, following the lead of the angry Kenyan Muslim anti-colonialist in the White House, they also hate the whites for their success, and are voting Democrat out of revenge against the hardworking whites.
I'm sure that's what's going through the Republican id right now.
So it looks to us like a combination of chasing after something shiny, and a case of what Berke Breathed once called 'offensensitivity,' but it really fits in quite well with the Grand Unified Republican Theory about Us and Them.
FWIW, 'voting is the best revenge' seems like an obvious riff off "living well is the best revenge," an aphorism that's still in fairly common use, four centuries after George Herbert coined it. And its point is that the best revenge is to not bother with revenge, but get on with your life in the best possible manner.
So Mitt sounds pretty stupid, really, taking offense at a non-revenge revenge.
Mitt sounds pretty stupid
Amen .
Go ahead, suppress my vote!
I fear that your voter suppression activities threaten me with severe physical harm or death!
Voting as revenge for Republican policies that crashed the U.S. economy. Revenge for policies that grossly enrich the 0.1 and 0.01% while leaving the middle class behind*. Revenge for an unnecessary war of choice in Iraq that has killed thousands of U.S. soldiers and cost billions. After just this short list, "revenge" is really not such a crazy idea.
* For a thoughtful discussion of the "have everythings versus everyone else" functioning of our economy and politics, check out Bill Moyers' interview of Jacob Hacker and Paul Pierson: http://billmoyers.com/episode/on-winner-take-all-politics/
Mittens says he wants people to vote for love of country,and I do love this country which is why I would never vote for any right winger. The g.o.p / tea bagging white pride movement is all about pushing a agenda of christian white nationalism.
Go ahead, suppress my vote!
I fear that your voter suppression activities threaten me with severe physical harm or death!
T-shirts for voters.
Go ahead, suppress my vote!
I fear that your voter suppression activities threaten me with severe physical harm or death!
It's good hearing from all the liberals who believe the problems of the country are strictly caused by the Republicans and the blood sucking rich. You You may want to devote some time in figuring out how we are going to pay for the unfunded liabilities (Social Security, Medicare, Prescription Drugs and National Health Care) of this country. The total price tag is over 100 Trillion dollars for each tax payer.It's time to forget your political affiliation and start pressing your elected officials for solutions. When are you liberals going to face reality, were broke.
You are as ignorant as you are illiterate.
Each tax payer is responsible for 1 million dollare each.
I really wanted to to Thank You at MSNBC for all you do for President Obama. I just heard the Daily News endorsed Mitt Romney. I was so angry that I sent the Editor the following & I sent the Obama website a copy. I will be & trust President Obama!
Subject: MITT ROMNEY
To: voicers@edit.nydailynews.com
I'm so disgusted of your choice of candidate. A man who has been lying, no regard for health care, wants to raise our taxes, lies about Chrysler, can't even discuss Foreign Policy, says one thing a year ago & flip flops the next year to brain wash people/businesses like yours. A person who wants a woman to accept rape & not have a say about their bodies. Your Newspaper is just in the same category of The New York Post. We banned that paper from our home, and so will yous. I will continue to praise President Obama, who once when he was elected as the next President of the U.S had President Bush's baggage waiting for him & the Republicans outraged because an African American won. That they said they would do everything in their power to get him out of office as a one term President. Your paper is so blindsided that you should change your newspaper name to "The Daily Fox News!" I'm so outraged, disgusted & sad because I always praised your paper for seeing the truth. What I realized with your endorsement of MITT ROMNEY, is that your paper is the biggest hypocrits & rightwinged bunch. I won't stop telling my views. I have so many friends that reads your paper &
You cannot help the poor by destroying the rich. You cannot strengthen the weak by weakening the strong. You cannot bring about prosperity by discouraging thrift. You cannot lift the wage earner up by pulling the wage payer down. You cannot further the brotherhood of man by inciting class hatred. You cannot build character and courage by taking away people's initiative and independence. You cannot help people permanently by doing for them, what they could and should do for themselves.... Abraham Lincoln
Yet again, metoo and his lies!! Abraham Lincoln did NOT say this!!!
I can get behind Mitt for at least this one statement, but he'd be unhappy as to why.
It totally explains why I shouldn't, couldn't, wouldn't and, in the end, didn't vote for Mitt Romney.
Lying and fearing this much is a sure sign of an agenda that has no appeal on its own.
And I vote for love of country, too. Never voted Repub. Ever.
It seemed clear to me authority and control were not freedom. I have since seen the Democrats balance budgets better than Repubs. Also, the Republicans don't seem to grasp that going against voters doesn't win more voters.
Every vote I've cast since 1998 has been an act of revenge against the Republican death cult that has proven itself to be the greatest threat to this nation in its 200+ year history. Hitler, Stalin and Bin Laden WISH they could have harmed America as much as the degenerate GOP.
An upscale D.C. conference room, one day after the 2008 election of Barack Obama, a small group of mostly middle-aged white men sit around a conference table looking somber: The group includes Snitch McSlime, Sincerely Boner, the brothers Kock, Gunner Armtwist, Self-righteous Ryan. A muted "damned Niggras" breaks the silence, followed by subdued laughter; then, "all-hail President Jigaboo"...more laughter and shout-outs of "coon", "sambo", "spook", "tarbaby" ring out.
Amidst the lauighter, a severe looking fat man, Krush Ba-Boom, has entered the room. He stands at the head of the table surveying the faces and, then: "Okay, you've had your fun. Now, let's get down to business. Snitch, you're old as the hills; how'd you guys handle the situation after the Civil War?" Snitch, amid snickers, says: "Well, I guess we gave the good old boys a bible and a sheet and they did the rest." "Now listen carefully men", says Crush. "You demonized the black man, Snitch, and you made every patriotic, white father and son fear for their wife and mother's safety. And, you intimidated those whites willing to work with the freed slaves". Sincerely Boner, who has been silent up to this point timidly says: Gee, Obama's a pretty nice guy. I think we can get him to compromise." Everyone in the room glares at Boner. Crush delivers a look that would cause a child to burst out in tears. Boner responds with a barely audible "jungle-bunny". "Damn it Boner", says Crush, "jungle bunnies are too cute. That man is not one of us. We're going to say no to everything he tries to do. We're going to paint him as a Muslim, a communist, a socialist, a nazi. We're going to figuratively castrate his black-ass. We can't paint him as a savage about to rape southern woman-hood but we can impress on the public that he's not a real American. We'll give every god-fearing, gun-totiing, beer-drinking American man a flag and a copy of the constitution and we'll take back our country." Shouts of "hear", "hear" and "amen" echo in the room... and the rest is history my friends.
So telling people to vote is unpatriotic? Desperation breeds insanity?
That's what I thought also Paul , obama was even encouraging them not to boo the gop , yet another gop pronouncement that makes no sense , as steve points out so well