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Last night, Paul Ryan took some time to participate in a tele-townhall that was not a part of his official public calendar. And what was the event that the Romney campaign didn't want to advertise? It was the right-wing congressman's plea/warning to a group of evangelical Christians.
"And in these critical battleground states, it's going to make the big difference as to whether or not people are worried about where America's headed, worried about whether we're going to reassert our Constitution, or whether or not we're going to go down the path the president has put us on," Ryan said speaking on a Faith and Freedom Coalition tele-townhall with thousands of voters across the country.
He continued, "It's a dangerous path, it's a path that grows government, restricts freedom and liberty, and compromises those values, those Judeo-Christian, western-civilization values that made us such a great and exceptional nation in the first place."
There are a few angles to this that are worth considering. The first is that this is some pretty unhinged rhetoric for a candidate seeking national office. It's expected that Ryan would condemn President Obama's agenda, but to argue that the agenda threatens the values of "western civilization" is qualitatively different. It's the kind of extremism we might expect from a televangelist, not a vice presidential candidate two days before an election.
Second, the tele-townhall event was organized by the Faith and Freedom Coalition -- the group formed by disgraced Republican lobbyist Ralph Reed. Common sense might suggest the Romney campaign would keep its distance from such a scandal-plagued figure, but for months, the Republican ticket has done the opposite.
And finally, all of this serves as a reminder of the part of Ryan's persona that's often overlooked: the so-called budget wonk is also a fierce culture warrior.
The perceptions of Ryan in much of the media notwithstanding, Ryan has fought against contraception access; he's worked with Todd Akin to redefine rape; he believes the government should force women impregnated by rape or incest to carry their pregnancies to term; he co-sponsored a "Personhood" measure that would ban in-vitro fertilization and some forms of birth control; and twice voted for a constitutional amendment to prevent marriage equality.
It's with this in record in mind that Ryan tells the religious right that the White House is at odd with "Judeo-Christian" values. The rhetoric is only surprising to those who forget what a culture warrior this guy really is.
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Yep, "A culture warrior to the end". And this is the end.
Disgusting , this Is a War of the wealthy and corporations Against the Masses ! They have an incredable Greed for wealth,Control and power , Sickening how they turn their backs on America and Americans and then turn and face US and then tell US just how much they care about US and want to help Us - What a Joke they Are !
poor Paul. He's so unhinged about the social issues that he forgets that his "judeo-Christian" values, are not the same ones claimed by every other Christian who has made up his or her own version of what they think their god wants.
Does he agree with Fred PHelps who is sure his are the right ones? How about the United Church of Christ, who have no problem with the issues Ryan is so deseprately afraid of? What about the Mormons? Romney certainly doesn't agree with the same values that Ryan does. Heck, he doesnt' even think he'll go to the same afterlife. Would the "real" Judeo-Christian values please stand up?
Paul Ryan wouldn't know what a "Judeo-Christian value" was if it came up and bit him on his ass.
They all want to restore the Constitution. Only white male landowners get to vote. And slavery. I mean, States' Rights.
That, only white men who owned ENOUGH land!
How is it that the media can get all up in arms over Rev. Wright who was never even a candidate and completely ignores the Vice Presidential candidates more inflammatory comments. It's not like this was a fluke either, this has been an ongoing anthem of the Republican Party and not just from the extremes, but from many elected leaders. Let's talk about values. As the tragedy of hurricane Sandy has demonstrated we have to keep moving forward “… to promote the general welfare…” of our nations people by electing leaders who believe in the Constitutions declaration that our government is designed by the people and for the people, because we understand that there are things that have to be done that result in no profit beyond doing for others by working together. Since Paul Ryan is a Catholic, let's get specific. Most people, including Judeo-Christian's understand we should lift up the least among us so all of us prosper, that's why many Christians including Catholic Bishops, Priests and Nuns have expressed strong opposition to Republican economic policies that “…fail this basic moral test.” This is also why the Catholic Health Association of the United States and 43 other Catholic Nun’s organizations strongly supported Obama care, saying, “For us, this healthcare reform is a faith mandate for life and dignity of all of our people.”
Speaking of dangerous paths, President Obama has demonstrated a commander-in-chief striving for peace through considered and deliberate leadership goes a lot further in protecting this nation then tough talk does. The troops are always there to get it done so long as we have leaders who engage in a smart national security strategy that does not uselessly overextend them and make sure to take care of them when they get home. The same liberty these brave men and women secure for us and that Paul Ryan is so concerned about losing, includes keeping the government out of women's health care decisions. Liberty is protecting the right to vote instead of suppressing it. Liberty is ensuring no one, especially the government, can determine for someone else how they experience love.
Another dangerous path we have to avoid is continuing to pay the cost for ignoring the environment. Most of us including most Judeo-Christian's and our founding fathers also understand the strength of this nation was built on immigration. Last but not least, we cannot afford to continue down the same path of division that Paul Ryan and the Republicans exemplify.
How do you get the religious right vote? You scare them. Scare them with: your gun rights are going to be taken away, Democracy is under attack, if you vote for someone who supports gay marriage you own salvation is in question...and really, who wants to burn in Hell?
There are many key and code words that conjure up fear to those in the Evangelical Religious Sub-Culture. Those who are on the outside looking in on that sub-culture can manipulate by fear. But then again, isn't that what religion is for, to control very large groups of people?
Ryan's got a problem with Judeo Christian values. His budget was called immoral by Nuns on a bus AND he actually seems to idolize and adopt policies of a selfish, non-compassionate atheist.
I hope it wasn't your intention to imply that atheists are, by definition, selfish and non-compassionate. In my experience, atheists make a significant percentage of self-professed Christians look selfish and non-compassionate by comparison.
The use of "a" here suggests that Sandy is referring to a subject in the singular and not subjects in the plural.
I believe she's referring to Ayn Rand. In which case yes Ayn Rand was a selfish, non-compassionate atheist. That doesn't apply to all atheists: just Rand.
No, I was referring to the singular Ayn Rand.
I am welcoming to all theists and athiests, agnostics, Taoists, whatever…
all inclusive. I believe in the entire first amendment. I find it ironinc that Ryan claims to be promoting Judeo Christian beliefs, yet embraces and promotes Ayn Rand philosophy, an avowed atheist. I've called him Ayn Ryan before.
Sorry for leaving that unclear.
IrishPutz flagged for proselytizing and inflammatory garbage in general.
Too many Christians are so committed to their knee-jerk "GodisgreatGodisgood" formulation, especially those on the right, that they are totally unwilling to acknowledge that power is not virtue and rhetoric is not reality. So, they apply that sort of formulation to the nation and it becomes "AmericaisgreatAmericaisgood", i.e., messianic nationalism.
Peter L. Hodges could hardly be called the voice of reason for anything.
God bless Irish, I have you on ignore, but I said the nuns on the bus, not the Bishops or whatever.
I do not authorize power over my soul to the Bishops or Nuns, but I admired and totally agreed with the Nuns on this.
With due respect. I have many Catholic friends, but I do not wish to debate with you about his.
I heard the head nun on a bus, Sister Simone say Ryan budget is immoral and I agree with her.
You can allow the Bishops to have authority over you, I do not. Others will not allow you or the Bishops to have authority over them. Not freedom.
I think there is a problem with this budget, even atheists (I am not atheist) have moral standards.
I have a REAL problem with some guy running for office proclaiming I am immoral, or the President is immoral. People have no such authority to do that. I add here, I find it to be disgusting to use God as a political weapon or tool.
I am not here to debate Catholicism or what the Bishops' pronouncements may be or not. You are the one doing that (and sort of in a domineering or commandeering way, hence I still have you on ignore).
I just am not interested in debating the catechism and Bishops' authoritarian proclamations. I am in a country where we have freedom of religion.
My points of debate are the freedom of religion in the Constitution/Bill of rights. It says we are not to legislate our country's laws respecting the establishment of religion.
My views are consistent with the Constitution. I respect your beliefs, but I am not at all in agreement with having religion legislated. I believe that is clearly one of the largest benefits of freedom. All are free to believe your personal faith, but that does not encroach onto someone else who is not in your faith or any faith.
Sandy the whole point I've been trying to make is that Irish doesn't represent Catholicism in it's entirety. I am Catholic and Irish is nothing like me from a religious view point. Not all Catholics defend priestly pedophilia, hate gays, or even believe that abortion and contraception is wrong. That is just one particular view from Orthodox Roman Catholicism. There are hundreds of different denominations and thousands of sects that disagree with Irish. He gives Catholicism and Christianity a bad name. Don't judge us by his actions. He does not speak for Catholicism in the least bit.
Thanks Cartoon. I have many Catholic friends and see other Catholic people (like you) that have proven to me that you are correct. I do not think he speaks for anyone but himself, but tries to exert authority on others.
I have had him on ignore for some time, because I just can't read his stuff. It flies in the face of what I have learned from my Catholic friends.
sandy: did you ever consider that your catholic friends are incorrect? That they do not know their catholic faith. You may ignore what I say however I only repeat what the popes have said and what the Catholic Church has taught thru the centuries. St Peter and St Paul, St John the apostle to Irenaeus in 107ad towards St Augustine in 450 ad to Thomas Aquinas towards St Teresa of Anila and John of the Cross to John Henry Cardinal Neumann to Pope Leo the Great, to St Padre Pio 1968 to John Paul II and Benedict XVI today. I believe you disagree with someone whom it is not wise to disagree with, Jesus Christ who founded ONE church. The Catholic Church. Mr Cartoonnews is extremely ignorant of his faith,
If you choose to ignore me that's fine. But the entirety of the Catholic Church's history and it's greatest saints show both you and Cartoonman to be ill educated on things catholic and Mr Cartoonman's catholicity to be marginal at best even scandalous. What he writes here is just plain stupid. Ignorant. I am sorry I cannot describe it otherwise it so far fetched and obscenely uneducated at it's base.
My goodness the person doesn't even know what the Catechism of the Catholic Church is or when it composed (authorized under the explicit instructions of Pope John Paul II) back in 1994.
As Fr John A Hardon is known to have so wisely said, "The most dangerous thing in America is that catholics, even well meaning catholics, do not know the faith and have lost their love for Jesus Christ in the Blessed Sacrament" "The combination is dynamite" Meaning, destructive.
Go ahead ignore me, listen to someone who is ignorant of his own faith.
As for you Cartoonman, Thank You! I take your criticisms as a GREAT compliment. But "hate gays" "defend pedophilia" where do you come to that conclusion? You ARE waaaaaaaaaaaaaay out there aren't you.
I defend Christ's church from wacko's like YOU!
Says the drunk waco...
Thank YOU donna! What a nice compliment ..........THANK YOU
Mark #1.12 and #1.21 as inflammatory/no value for spamming
I flagged all of them for religious supremacist ranting.
"And finally, all of this serves as a reminder of the part of Ryan's persona that's often overlooked: the so-called budget wonk is also a fierce culture warrior."
Yes Ryan is a culture warrior and so is Maddow. I have seen both cultures and I prefer the culture Paul Ryan talks about. The one I grew up in.
As for Maddow the activist posing as a journalist, we just want to keep seeing her on MSNBC. It motivates us to vote!
IrishPat7, you're suspended for a week for violating #1 and #4 of the Code of Honor. Don't plagiarize - 1.20 and 1.22 are deleted because they're published here and here.
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Donna J. Edmond, you're suspended for a day for violating #1 of the Code of Honor.
Hey Romney you talk about President Obama providing a better healthcare, but what is your problem Romney? President Obama has handled more than one task at a time. Apparently, Romney you cannot even handle a task beyond one thing at a time. President Obama has shown how he has stopped the economy from totally collapsing, providing a better healthcare, handle world affairs, and many other things at the same time. Romney everything you have tried at in politics has lead to a total failure and that was just one thing at a time. You go to Europe you screw it up. You go to the Middle East you screw it up. You talk about the economy you screw it up. You talk saving people’s jobs you screw it up. You try to show compassion and understanding about people you screw it up. And Romney the list goes on. Romney you are a walking misfit right a long with those misfit Republicans, extremists of hatred, and the extreme wealthy, no wonder you walk like a puppet or robot.
One thing that scares the hell out of me is if Romney got in and something happened to him we would be stuck with Ryan as our leader. Scary thought.
"One thing that scares the hell out of me is if Romney got in and something happened to him we would be stuck with Ryan as our leader. Scary thought."
If the Second Amendment has any redeeming value in the 21st Century, it's that, because of it, you're never really STUCK with a leader....
...that's not Ryan's O-face, is it?
Unhinged rhetoric? Sure.
Outrageous coming from the mouth of a VP candidate? Absolutely.
But par for the GOP course? No question.
This is what that party is. Period. Full stop. Before Ryan it was Palin, after all . . . .
When will the voters stop responding to such vitriol?
Equality is equal for all freedom is liberty and justice for ALL.
Really sick of trying to carve away these folks are more equal or free than those folks.
Nice to be reminded that this really is the most important American election since 1860, and it's against the same Enemy (though no longer confined to one region): ignorance and superstition masquerading as religion, white supremacy, a genocidal militarized world view, a pirate's view of economics (what's mine is mine and I'll take what's yours if I want it), a feudal socio-economic system. The Old Confederacy is alive and hopefully will be unwell as of Wednesday morning.
Nice to be reminded this is the severely conservative leadership Romney/Ryan are truly going to bring to the country not the debate convenient moderate Mitt.
You can tell very easily from watching each campaign today who expects to win and who expects to lose. Obama's and Biden's rallies are enthusiastic, upbeat, positive, everyone smiling and laughing. Romney and Ryan's are full of attack, "boos!", bitterness, and continued nasty inaccurate talk. And little underhanded tricks like Ryan's, noted here. And they have the nerve to characterize Obama as having a campaign of anger and attack because, once again, they have misinterpreted his words as "voting for revenge." Incredible. You can smell a winner and a loser in the exact same way you can smell whether you have a juicy roast or charred ashes cooking in the oven.
And by the way, Obama's supporters don't need to be locked up and not allowed to leave his rallies, as Romney supporters were in PA yesterday. What does THAT tell you?
When people boo Romney at Obama events, he says "Don't boo - VOTE!" This accomplishes two things: it tells his supporters "be civil" while driving home the main point that booing doesn't accomplish anything; voting does.
And at Romney's events when people start booing Obama - he just stands there and smiles his disturbing little "I'm the King and look how all of my loyal subjects follow me" smile. Very UN-presidential. But that's today's GOP.
Polling must have been poor enough to get a mulligan with the Envangihadists.
Didn't he skip out on this meeting two weeks ago? Some due diligence for the reporting
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Good. I had a hunch.
Look for another name of something lying around in plains sight, like saltshaker or something.
this was an awesome response from a HuffPost contributor......
Dear Mr. Ryan, (credit to tssent HuffPOst contrib.)
Christian-Judeo values are not threatened by anyone or
anything so much as they are by those who impose religion --
theocracy -- as the one and only means by which citizens
should live.
You only need to look around you to see that religious
extremists like you have lead more human beings to their
deaths and demise than all the diseases in the world
combined.
The premise that a religious-based government is
somehow our salvation is the end of freedom. All
freedom. It was this understanding that led the
Founding Fathers to separate church and state
because clearly, words contained in some
religious manifest 2000 years old were not only
unchanging but unchangeable. They understood
that we had grown past the idea that lopping off
a man's fingers for stealing bread for his starving
children was no acceptable or just in a thinking
society. And so they established a democracy
instead.
Under that democracy, they found gray that the
strictly black and white meanings of the world's
bibles did not allow for.
Believe in your god. Worship him. Do as you wish
to please who and what god, but do not force your
god on others. They have their own -- or even none.
If their god is no god, that is their religious right, their
religious freedom. Our nation is NOT founded on
religious beliefs. It is founded on god believers with
magnificent morals who understood that what they
personally believed and what the personally practiced
in the home were of necessity to be separated from
the state.
What she/huffpo said Mr. Ryan, also shove it up your ass sideways!
Have a nice day!
like Mormons personally practiced subjugation of women/girls through abuse and polygamy....and incestuous creeps preyed on their children and drunks preyed on their children, and nut cases and mentally ill, and then there were those who burned "witches" and those who strung up blacks....and priests who sexually abused alter boys/catholic school boys.....all in the name of religion...and that's just in this country....so to Ryan and his minions of radical theology and religious fanaticism, bite me!....take your religious minions and fly like lemmings...right off a cliff!
This rhetoric is not in any way surprising to those of us who know that in today's radical Republican Party, "Christian values" are reserved only for for white, male members of churches who have forgotten that Jesus the Christ the Christ, a Jew, was found healing the sick in leper colonies; hanging our with harlots and dunkards; whipping the money lenders fromt he temple and rendering unto Caesar what is Caesar's (taxes.) But hey, one would have to acknowledge facts ... and they don't need no stinking facts.
Apologies for the typos ... these guys get me so damned mad.
I still don't understand what freedom or liberty the president has restricted? This path of restricted freedom and liberty where can I find it in this administration?
Mr. Ryan is a master of empty words!
The gop/tp are merely Projecting , as they Always do ! They claim that President Obama is a Muslim ? Has Anyone Ever heard Our Pres. Invoke and Push Muslim Beliefs On Anyone ? NO ! lyin-ryin is a teabagger , willard is a mormon , and guess what - Our President is a Christian !
Yes, Paulie, you're a true warrior for Christ.
Only in my Bible, Jesus didn't get up on that mount, flip everyone the bird, and tell them, "FECK YOU! YOU'RE ON YOUR FECKIN' OWN, YA MOTHERFECKER'S YA!!!"
Mine must have been translated by a Liberal.
Ralph Reid is the snake in the grass. Watch out for him - he has venom. And a whole bunch of brainwashed evangelical voters willing to do his bidding. Paul Ryan is just as scary and as arrogant. They both give me the willies. Their zealotry has no place in our government.
Wow he talked about reasserting the Constitution in one sentence, then says western civilization is Judeo-Christian. Our founding fathers had very stern words about the seperation of church and state Rep. Ryan, maybe you need to do some research on it. It was not to push a Judeo-Christian agenda, but to keep the churches apart from the governing of the country. That is the true freedom.
Didn't you get the memo? History to the Mitt wits is there was no separation the founding fathers were just joking and some liberal took them serious.
As a politician from any side on any level, Paul Ryan should not even mention the word "values"
Paul, define your idea of "values" for us...just once.
the discussion about the affect of super pacs on elections may fade a little after Obama wins, but clearly the only why these far right ideologues could even be close in the polls is because there is a ton of money spent on their behalf--most of it used to hide their own message (truly bizarro world)....
Funny how Ryan has been keeping a low profile for the past 2-3 weeks and suddenly appears like a Halloween trick or treater just before the election. Could it be that if you really listen to Ryan you might be scared at the republican agenda? For all his faults Ryan doesn't dance around or mince his words like Romney does. Ryan is always on message and that message doesn't waver. If his audiences are carefully picked to agree with Ryan and not run for the exits Ryan is preaching to the converted.
The strategy is clear - send Ryan to states other than swing states, for the purpose of keeping the extreme-wingers riled up. Meanwhile Romney goes to the swing states and tries to apear more moderate, in hopes of getting the independent vote.
I wonder what all the "Judeo-Christian" sheep think of Hurricane Sandy. I mean, how could God possibly send a storm that would help Obama more than Romney in the election?
Anyone here feel their "freedom and liberty" have been put at risk by the Obama administration?
No but I sure felt that way when GWB outed the spy because her hubby refused to back his yellow cake lies. I wonder how Scooter felt when the GOP threw him under the bus.
Not really.
Like Ayn Ryan said, even Obama hasn't proposed new gun restrictions.
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Just outside my office, another employee has displayed a "Defend Freedom. Defeat Obama" sticker. Made to look like a handwritten Post-It note.
On a hunch, I checked the NRA website. Yep.
Never mind that Ryan admitted (in his last local TV interview) that "even Obama" isn't asking for new gun laws. Sigh.
The NRA is airing ads in Iowa to tell people Obama is coming to take their guns and freedom away. Same slogan as that bumper sticker - "Defend Freedom. Defeat Obama."
Typical of the National Racist Association. I hope Ted Nugent was telling us the truth when he said he'll either be dead or in jail next year. I would suggest he go to Canada, but I like our Canadian neighbors too much for that.
I haven't noticed any dimmunition of any freedom or liberty in the past 4 years. I was much more concerned when the Bush administration was in power.
yes, the NDAA is a horrible law, it needs to be repealed just like Citizens United....and Obama needs to fight Wall Street in earnest. There's a chance I could still vote Green Party or Jill Stein, for these reasons.
Nope. He's expanded freedom, from my view. DADT being one, expanding medical coverage to children up to age 26, another, I feel that coverages for more people in Medicare frees them, getting medical coverages for preexisting conditions and/or at their employer help free them. I feel freer that OBL is not free.
I'm sure there's more, but that's off the top of my head.
Just got a robo-call from Romney himself.
Sounds like some old Perv trying to talk me into an "unnatural" sex act. And the echo in the phone sounded like it was taking place in a public restroom.
Freaking Creepy.
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What makes you think it wasn't
The "Judeo-Christian values" quip is odd given he's running with a Mormon. God and fear are at the forefront of our politics again. Great.... :/
By the way, I thought most evangelical Christians who consider themselves a part of this Judeo-Christian tradition, believed that Mormonism was a cult. I know they think it's okay to overlook this now for expedience sake, but if you're truly concerned about compromising Western civilizations values, don't you think it's more dangerous to elect a cult leader for president.
They'd rather vote for a cultist with an R on his voter card, than a Christian with a D on his...what's that tell you about their "values". And I won't even mention voting for someone who's profited from abortions...guess I did mention it. Oops.
The only hot button issue Mittens missed out violatingwas gay marriage, but then maybe Ann...naaaaaaaa.
I'd bet my last nickel that "values" voters are completely clueless when it comes to history, civics, the Constitution, religion. They're spoonfed by their pastors to believe whatever they're told. Would you be "held" at a Romney event against your will? Yeah, me either. Would you support a guy who calls his running mate "the stench?" Would you support a bishop in the Mormon church who won't show his tax returns? Would you support a guy who was told NOT to wash the dishes for a photo-op but did it anyway...pretending to wash (already clean) dishes to make it look like he was doing something productive for charity? Would you vote for some punk who wants to rename and redistribute your Medicare or Social Security to keep it solvent while robbing the middle class to enrich the wealthy/1%? Yeah, see, this stuff is so easy, and yet these people blindly vote for the people they'd call heretics if they did some research. Poor lemmings.....I think Ryan's legislating days are numbered....good riddance Eddie Munster, hope the little woman can keep you fed and clothed....there's no shame in being a stay-at-home dad, and maybe you can write a book, like Sarah Palin did.
Translation: This white man doesn't want to burdened by another black president
It's so sad they feel so oppressed.
(yes, I'm being sarcastic)
Ryan had been the king of local-TV interviews, giving over 100 of them before his last, which was in Flint MI. That was several weeks ago.
Rachel pointed this out on last night's show. The local ABC guy in Flint asked him whether we had a gun problem, and Ryan replied that we had a crime problem and needed to enforce the laws. Then he went on a rant about teaching good morals to inner-city kids. And the interviewer asked how a "big tax cut" was going to help that. You could almost see the steam coming out of Ryan's ears.
And...no more interviews.
That was awesome - you could practically hear Ryan thinking "I'm taking my ball and going home now!"
Mike, Rachel did a great job on that one, didn't she?
So, where exactly is Jesus Christ mentioned in the Constitution? Or the Declaration of Independence? I've only seen references to a "Creator" but nothing about Jesus, specifically. Where do the Right Wingnuts get the idea that we are founded on CHRISTIAN principles?? Billy Graham is now buying local full-page newspaper ads pretty much stating that if you vote for Obama, you are voting for evil. When did this country get so twisted as to associate voting for one candidate over another as EVIL?
That's why they usually refer to Judeo-Christian beliefs. Which pretty much restricts you to the Old Testamant. The Ten Commandments and all that.
Which explains a lot. Because if you read the Christian Gospels (Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John) you will read about love and kindness, paying your taxes (render unto Caesar what is Caesar's), and a lot of other ideas apparently unknown to the Republican ticket.
If anyone remembers; the Pilgrims came here to find religious freedom. Supposedly that is why we celebrate Thanksgiving. Now Ralph Reed and his happy little band of religious zealots wants to take away our freedom to believe what we want, how we want because it is different from his view. WE need a Moral, Concerned, TRUTHFUL leader who will put the good of the population ahead of a minority adgenda
If anyone remembers; the Pilgrims came here to find religious freedom
Actually, no. The Pilgrims came here because the British government wouldn't let the Pilgrims enforce their extremely strict version of Christianity on everybody else. Essentially, the Pilgrims believed that the existing government was too liberal, and they wanted to set up a religious colony where they could enforce their own flavor of hyper-conservative religious life.
Correct - fortunately, a couple hundred years later the Founding Fathers saw through that crap.
Sorry adifferentPhil, but no. The Puritans were the ones who wanted to enforce their beliefs through the Anglican Church which was denied them in 1604. King James (of King James Bible fame) felt that allowing Puritan ideas on theology to control the Church of England would lead to the establishment of presbyterianism, and he'd had enough of that in Scotland.
The Pilgrims were "separatists" or, as they were better known then in England, "independents. They wished to set up a religious organization outside the Church of England, which wasn't allowed. One either showed up at the CofE door every Sunday or one paid a fine, which increased for every additional absence. That's why the Pilgrims first went to the Netherlands where there wasn't any state church.
They ended up in Massachusetts by accident; they were headed for Virginia, got lost and decided to stay where they were.
We could do that. Moon Colony Newt, and Newt II for when those hyper-conservatives fracture doctrinally.
Yea verily it is said, seven plagues will be visited on the house of those who don't vote for whitey! Money 9:16 snark if not obvious.
That's from Money 9:16? I thought that was from the Book of Capital Gains. Or DoToOurMoney.
Oh - should've said "DueToRom-a-ney." Was trying to make it sound like Deuteronomy.
I loooove the smell of wingnut flopsweat in the morning! It smells like VICTORY!
That Eric Cantor is so worthless that he has got to go. Just some rich person crying about paying taxes where he was the one and his other fellow cronies that created all these problems that we are having. Eric Cantor is just some greedy self-centered worthless bum. Does Eric Cantor even care about fixing the problems that we have and people like himself have caused? It seems all Eric Cantor really cares about is how much money he may have to pay in taxes with no consideration for anybody else.