
Associated Press
I rather doubt it'll influence the outcome of the presidential race, but the rift between Mitt Romney and New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie (R) has become quite an interesting sideshow.
New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie, who was effusive in his praise of President Barack Obama when the two leaders toured damage from Hurricane Sandy last week, turned down a request by Mitt Romney to appear with him at a rally on Sunday night in Pennsylvania, The Huffington Post has learned.
Christie's decision will only add to questions among Republicans about what the governor -- who is up for reelection a year from now -- is thinking, and why he went out of his way to heap praise on the president, and then refused to appear with Romney.
The Romney rally was held at a farm in Morrisville, Pa., not more than 20 minutes from Trenton, the New Jersey capital. The physical proximity of the event to New Jersey only added to questions in the Romney campaign about why Christie chose not to come.
There's no doubt which side of the fence leaked this story -- a Romney campaign source specifically told Huffington, "You can't tell me he couldn't have gone over there for a night rally."
Making matters slightly worse, Christie's office pushed back, suggesting the Romney camp is wrong, and telling CNN the governor wasn't invited to the nearby rally.
The leak doesn't exactly reflect well on Romney -- he wanted New Jersey's governor to put aside post-Sandy relief efforts to appear at a campaign rally? -- but it would appear the Republican presidential campaign is now at the point of deliberately trying to make Christie appear disloyal, which is falling on fertile soil in GOP circles, where Christie's recent praise of President Obama has drawn criticism.





at the convention...Like the rest of them blah blah blah , Mitt Good , just to bolster their own chances in 2016 . You get the feeling they don't even like him.
Christie's no fool. I think he knows Romney views him as Romney views everyone else -- as a commodity to be exploited.
No one likes Romney, except possibly his wife and kids. But I suspect that if he went broke, Ann would be right out the door looking for a man who could keep her in Rafalca Chow.
No one likes to add a losing politician to their resume as a carreer politician , among all the many other negative traits romney has for baggage that can stain your next move ..... it is not that hard to imagine how messed up it would be to deal with romney and his mormon croneys .... he is a wall st snob , a spoiled child , and has lived in a bubble his whole life , you either brown nose the guy, or your not a team player , christie does not fit that bill apparently , and who would want to? besides weak minded gop voters that is , can you imagine christie even voting for the guy after this? lmao
The good news is, I think the Morons, er, the Mormons, will be discovering today that no one wants their "saving grace" for the country.
YouBetter Think: You voted for the one you thought would do a better job. At least you voted. However, I have to ask you why? Romney has repeatedly told so many blatant lies. The divide in Congress happened because the Republicans said in no uncertain terms that they were going to make this President a 1 term president. They even voted against and blocked things that they supported. The last straw for me was when 4 Republican senators voted against the Veteran's Jobs Bill ... you know, the one they helped to write. It was not Obama who caused this divide.
this is what i think. i think Chris Christie was genuinely moved by Obama's willingnes to act fast and help in any way possible. i think he was moved by action and not talk. i think he saw Obama represent everything he said he did, and it shocked and suprised Christie. and i think he learned something about whats actually happening in the world. though i dont think he did know anything about a rally, im on the side that its an attack on Christies character. He showed sentiment towards Obama and praise a week before the election. Now the gop is going to ty to ruin him for it.... I dont want my country run by a bunch of wolves that eat their own. I want it lead by a person who cares about the people hes inchatge of leading. someone who sticks up for his friends. someone who is willing to make new friends. i voted Obama today.
i agree i think mr christie just now discovered how rotten romney is,,i believe him,,i do not think romney invited him,,,i am in florida,,the republicans did the same thing to mr crist,,and he only extended the voting hours because we are so populated,,the republicans did not like it,,and also mr crist was trying very hard to be good to the citizens,,the teachers etc,,they give him so much grief,,he left the republicans party,,and went independant,,and this year mr crist endorsed mr obama,, the republicans do not like if someone is good with the citizens,,mr christie really seem sincere about helping the victims of sandy,,he really cares,,i expect him to become independant soon,,the republicans will give him too much grief..mr christie does not deserve that,,he does the best for the victims,because of that,,he has my respect and mr obama did the best also,together, the victims were not ignore like for katrina,,romney and company are evil
I am a registered Democrat in the battle ground area of Southwestern Ohio (i.e. Cincinnati area). This region went to Obama the last time, despite its traditional Republican identity. I just voted for Romney - his message of real change is what reasonated with me. I have never seen such long lines at my neighborhood polling site. I believe this region will be won by Romney.
Well you did what you thought best but I honestly hope we all don't come to regret it
What was that message?
Thanks for coming by to admit you're an idiot easily gulled by lies and lightning-fast changes of position, YouBetter; maybe next time, you should take your alias to heart, though.
Actually, your response is the kind of thing that we have seen more of in this country after Obama took office. He claimed to be a uniter - but in reality this country is even more divided - with people like you resorting to name-calling rather than engaging in adult discourse. We can point the finger at the Republicans for not exacty being open to working with him - but every President has that challenge and Obama really did not lead in a way that brought people together to effect lasting positive results. No doubt you will hurl another name at me for this response. Honestly, that kind of childish gridlock is just the kind of thing that the people of Ohio (where votes actually matter) just dont want.
Pretty hard to unite with a party that publicly states that their overiding two-year plan was to do whatever it would take to deny the President a second term.
votes matter everywhere.
get off your ohio soapbox.
I don't believe you ever were a democrat. You see, democrats (can't speak for all) wants facts and reality. It's one thing if Obama disappointed you because you wanted the economy fixed yesterday with republican opposition, and it's another thing to actually like and believe a pathological liar. No because if you really were a democrat you'd see the great things Obama has done and seen that he could of done more with cooperation from republicans. You'd be more enthused to reelect Obama even if you feel he has failed you because Mitt Romney is a no no and you'd give Obama and Washington a second chance to move this country foward. So no it's hard to believe anyone who says they were former democrats and they're voting for Romney was really a democrat.You were a republican who voted because a. you want to make history with the first black pres. or b. you didn't like Mccain because of Palin(lol) It's either Obama or no one. So take your republican from the start ass home.
At least you were engaged, and did what you believe is right. How anybody buys into the Romster's snake oil is beyond me, but I respect your involvement.
Which message.. the everyone gets a tax cut message? The ban abortion message? The attack russia message? The ship jobs overseas to enrich yourself message? Which mitt did you vote for? Not even he knows what he believes and you sheep vote for him anyway.
Which message did you hear cause depending on which way the wind blew it changed.. I am so embarrassed by the fact the some people are actually so stupid that they would by into anything that liar has to say.. To take his word on anything just shows your lack of sense regarding the issues and you just got your ladies card revoked!!
I'm sorry, but I have NEVER heard a party so brazenly say that their goal is to make the president a one term president, at least not until the tea party hijacked the republican party. The views held by the extreme side of the republican party, and their ability to play the elected officials like marionette puppets is disturbing. So to say that it's less their fault than Obama's is pure ignorance.
Just think, you voted for a party that has a wonderful message of theocracy, redefining rape, and limited women's rights to their own bodies.
My two young daughters and I thank you for attempting to send our country back down a path where we would go back to being second class citizens. (yes, that was dripping with sarcasm).
Funny how "YouBetterThink" is posting the same posts in all kinds of forums...like some kind of shill sent here to do so...
I am a kind person and I will just say that everyone is allowed to vote for whomever they wish and for whatever reason, but Willard Romney has no message whatsoever. He even hijacked the President's slogan of "change!" That was the totality of his message - "change". From where I sit, any change he might make would only be for the worst for the vast majority of people in this country - including all the women. He never gave one specific of any substance besides the face he would abolish healthcare and Planned Parenthood. Other than that, there was absolutely no substance behind him. And in my opinion, someone who blatantly lies should never be entrusted with any governmental position, let alone the highest position in the land.
Right, before 2008 nobody *ever* called someone an idiot for supporting the opposition. In the immortal words of Barney Frank, "On what planet do you spend most of your time on?"
And while I have your attention, what part of Romney's message "resonated" with you? The part where he said that Jeep was moving *all* its production to China?
Why would you call the Republican platform "change"? It is exactly the same republican platform that got us into this mess. You must realize that the economic plan doesn't add up, you must know that the Republicans in congress have made it their marching orders to stop anything this president tries to accomplish in his first term. In spite of them, job losses STOPPED, deficite SHRANK, women will get equal pay for equal work, ALL people will be able to serve their country, credit card companies can no longer hike up rates at will, ALL people will have access to health care, America will join THE REST OF THE WORLD in combatting global warming etc. etc. I cannot believe there are people in this country who really want to step so far backwards.
So to get this straight, it's Obama's fault that the Republicans decided to stonewall him just to improve the next Republican candidate's chances? Everything from first responder pay to taking care of our veterans were smacked down because they we backed by a Democrat. Since you're clearly okay with that the constant flip-flopping and inconsistency of Romney seems to suit you just fine.
I will make this so simple even you can understand, using very small words and just one sentence: "I am a registered Democrat and have been since 1982".
Another thing, like it or not, Ohio votes matter more than non-swing state votes in this election. Don't kill the messenger. Educate yourself on the electoral college process.
I won't name call... but I would like to know what about Romney "reasonated" with you? I have no real plan other than "i will create jobs" after 2 years of campaigning on "government doesn't create jobs." He has flip-flopped on every major issue - depending on the location he is at. He refuses to answer questions - or submit his tax records (why hide it?). Yes... the media probably would eviscerate it, as I suspect he has paid little or no taxes. But I have heard no plans from this man... notta. So I don't really understand why you would support someone with even less vision.
The majority of Romney's foreign policy and economic advisors all served under George W. Bush. I don't see how that is "change".
I am glad you voted but I can not fathom how anything Romney ever said could resonate with you or anyone else. He has never stuck by anything he has said longer than a day. He is going to bring real change alright, but it won't create jobs or fix the deficit.
@YouBetterThink, Your post just shows the limited amount of memory you have. You claimed the existing President does not reach across the table. The basis of this article is that the Pubes are pissed because Christie and Obama worked in a bipartisan way to address a travesty. I thing you need to look in the mirror and say to yourself "YouBetterThink".
I have heard ZERO viable specifics from Romney. And other than saying the word "Change" he doesnt stand for any. He has flip flopped for decades and, for that, I believe he lacks character to be President. I was a Republican until 2008 when I saw (finally) that the GOP doesnt really have any new ideas, and certainly doesnt want any change. It's your vote and youre entitled to it but my opinion is you never were a Dem.
Are you really serious 'you better think'? The president did not divide this country at all. The only divisions that were created were by the GOP who vowed 'not to work with the President' and they kept that vow. I don't know what glass you are looking through, but the President lead this country out of a 'depression' which he took on when he first came into office. I am not going to get into a list of his accomplishments, but he has a proven record that helped this country. You voted for a man that would take us right back to the same Bush policies that got us into this mess in the first place when the President took office. So, i am praying that you we do not have to start over again because there are too many families that need the help. I am part of that 47% that Mitt Romney does not care about and i know, if he gets into office, he is going to take away everything that I worked hard for to get so, 'grumpy liberal bastard' did not say anything wrong because you are someone who has been 'easily gulled by lies'.
The message that probably resonated, which is the one that resonates with MOST of those who foolishly vote for Romney, is that he is a white man. Case closed.
Name calling is unneccessary, however I believe you to be wrong. The Republicans are the ones who are the dividers and name callers. They have used every dirty trick to fool us the public into believing Obama a divider. In congress there has never been more fillibusters by any party at any other point in history. The republicans took an oath at the beging of this presidents term to make sure that he had just one. Why would they do this? I think out of prejudices. This Republican congress would rather be in power than actually help the country.
Another fake "I voted for Obama last time but not this time" post. It's a sad fantasy that Republicans ironically HOPE people will say, but they won't.
@YouBetterThink: You are so right: name calling does not win debates.
@YouBetterThink - Romney's message of real change? Honestly - I listened to his message - and the only thing he did was try to co-opt Obama's message.
What IS his plan? He talks in generalities, not specifics. He doesn't tell you specifically what he'd do.
And how do you expect Obama to be a person to unite the country when the republicans said that they were going to do whatever they could to prevent him from having any 'victory'. So, it didn't matter if the republicans liked the idea - they'd vote against it just to deny Obama a victory. Like, Obamacare was a REPUBLICAN idea.
How about the bipartisan commission to recommend tough deficit-reduction measures? This was proposed by republicans. But then the Obama administration decided to embrace the idea...and what happened? Republicans (even the ones who proposed it) suddenly opposed the idea!
And then there is the The Nuclear START Treaty. Republicans filibustered the ratification of the Obama START Treaty for quite a period of time and criticized it tremendously and continue to try and find ways to circumvent the treaty today. What Republicans conveniently forget is that Ronald Reagan, the man that Republicans worship like a God, negotiated the very first START Treaty which was signed by yet another Republican, George H. W. Bush in 1991. That treaty expired in 2009 so President Obama negotiated a new one to continue the Reagan legacy. But since President Obama negotiated this treaty, Republicans retreated from Reagan’s policy faster than the decade it took to create the START Treaty in the first place.
Israel Going Back To Pre-1967 Borders was another one... Many Presidents have suggested this, even George H.W. Bush and George W. Bush. But once President Obama repeated it, Republicans immediately denounced the President and threw their support to Israel’s President. The only reason Republicans are rejecting President Obama’s plan is because they cannot bring themselves to endorse any idea he suggests, even if it is a Republican one.
To bring people together - you have to have both sides working on it. When Obama endorses republican ideas and wants to work with them - Republicans reject the ideas they previously supported. Mitch McConnell stated - point blank - was that job #1 was to make Obama a 1 term president. Not jobs. Not the economy. The #1 goal they had was to oppose Obama. So, I'm tired of the argument that Obama is the cause of our division. Any time Obama embraced a republican idea - it became an idea to run from...because that would make Obama a successful President by accomplishing and fixing stuff.
Exactly what kind of message of change have you heard from Romney? He's been all over the map with what he believes so that no one knows what he believes, he says what he needs to say to a particular group of people to get a vote then he'll reverse that course for another group, he's hammered on a five-point plan to help the economy yet he's never given us a single one of those points, he wants to reduce government income but spend more than he's taking in, he says he's for smaller government yet he wants to put the government in charge of women's bodies, he thinks the solution to the economy is to defund Planned Parenthood and PBS while spending trillions more on the military (even though they haven't requested any additional funding), he doesn't believe women should be paid the same as men, he doesn't believe gay people should have any rights, he left Massachusetts with a huge deficit when he left office, he's continued to press forward with his lie about Jeep in Ohio that has been disavowed by Jeep and even Fox News questions him about continuing to use a lie that everyone knows is a lie as a political issue ... this is the change you want? A man who doesn't have a plan except to keep himself and his rich friends rich and richer, a man who doesn't pay his fair share of taxes and stashes his wealth in off-shore accounts, a man who thinks 47% of the country is just looking for a handout. You want to put someone in the White House who only wants the job because he believes he is entitled to it and who simply looks down on the rest of us? It seriously baffles me that after 18 months of flip-flopping, lying and really having no clue as to what Romney stands for that you could even consider voting for him.
So many of you are demonstrating what is wrong with what the Democratic Party has become. You sound like some sort of zealous Evangelical minister who says anyone who doesnt agree with him was never a Christian to begin with. Again, I truly am a registered Democrat. I grew up in a Democratic family that nearly idolized JFK. Unfortunately, I have consistently seen that party disappear and become something radically different. JFK said to ask not what this country can do for you, but rather, what you can do for this country. I am very fearful of the general attitude of entitlement that the modern Democratic party embraces - an attitude that will take this country down the same path as Greece and the various other European countries with this same entitlement attitude - causing them to go bankrupt. Again, your comments demonstrate how extreme the Democratic Party has become. I cannot say that I embrace everything of the Republican Party - but I see them as steering the ship away from this trend.
Add to that - Romney campaign said their economic policies are Bush's Updated. Ryan's budget - increase defense spending and cut programs to help the weak, disabled, poor and children. Turn Medicare into a voucher program and privatize Social Security. Gee - why can I not see the change from past Republican Administrations.
Adding to this: 1/20/09 dinner at the Caucus Room with 14 Republicans agreeing to block any and all of Obama's policies etc. Mitch McConnell - Our only goal is to make this President a One Term President. Deal made with Boehner to prevent the Debt Ceiling crisis, but reneged because Ryan and Cantor said no. 300 Filibusters by the Republicans - But it was President Obama who did not reach across the table?
People are going to have to realize that, some people will vote for Romney and some will vote for Obama. The fact that someone is engaged enough to actually listen to what either candidate has to say. Weighs that to his/her personal beliefs and makes a decision. Has to be respected, not for just voting, but for being engaged enough to care. Who a person votes for, is between them and what they think is best for them. You may not agree with them, but it is their right to vote as they see fit, not how anyone else sees fit. And people must respect that persons decision, period.
People keep talking about how politically divided this country is. Truth be told it's not all Washington's fault. We as voters and citizens have to shoulder some of that responsibility as well. Both sides are going to have to learn to respect the other side, because you can't have compromises if we can't co-exist. It's not all for nothing one party rule in this country. And it's about time we started acting like adults, and not self entitled spoiled brats.
What was the real change? I have heard Romney say the words, but have never heard him give us a plan or even any insight. Curious.
Ah, so instead of engaging with the person asking you a polite & direct question "What was that message?", you choose to ignore it and get sucked in to the inflammatory comment instead. Seems a tad hypocritical for someone who claims that his/her problem with Obama was that he was a divider who discouraging engaging in adult discourse. If you'd like to engage in adult discourse, would you kindly answer the question of what real message of change Romney put out that resonated with you? The man has adjusted or outright changed his positions so many times that I'm not even sure HE knows what he stands for at this point, except corporations being people. If the private sector were running the recovery efforts here in NJ, I guarantee you that the situation would be much, much worse, with only those able to afford an astronomically high cost of gas, water, food & other basic essentials surviving, and money determining how & when utilities were restored. President Obama's policies are not perfect, and I have serious issues with one or two, but Governor Romney has almost no policy with which I agree. If he does, (for instance his rhetoric about not outsourcing jobs), his experience and past business dealings directly contradict that he would keep his word on these issues. So if the people of Ohio (whose votes are NOT the only ones who matter, I beg your pardon) want to vote for a man whose record directly contradicts his campaigning and think that will fix what's wrong with our political system, I'll happily stay here in Jersey & vote to re-elect President Obama, even if you think that my vote doesn't count.
Made You Think sounds like a registered moron. So Romney said the words "real change" and that was enough, no need to even think about the fact that the change he is proposing is to go back to 2008 when the economy had collapsed, the country was mired in two foreign wars, and the constitution was being shredded so racist sadists could pleasure themselves over the torture of brown people.
P.S. Gosh that did read as rather divisive. Another failure of Obama, he promised to reach across the aisle and heal the partisan divide, but guess what, Obama lost because Republicans are still complete f&@king @$$#@!&$.
YouBetterThink - You are a fool. It's the austerity measures that the Republican Party embraces that resulted in the economic issues in Europe. Do a little research on the issue before whole-heartedly accepting what the Republicans say about the issue. Heck, they buried an inconvenient report that showed their "tax cuts to the rich and trickle down economy" model is inviable and results in no economic growth, only an expansion of the gap between the middle class and the rich.
It's not for simple reasons we don't think you're Democrat. It's for the reasons that you are spouting on your own. You're against entitlement, which is a conservative buzz-word for a social safety net, for welfare, for food stamps, and for healthcare. It's a term that's used as a sad reminder that the very rich don't care about the poor average Joe, struggling on a low-pay salary trying to feed his or her family.
The only way the Democratic party has changed is that they've gone further centrist and right than in the past. Barack Obama is almost as right-wing as Ronald Reagan was.
YOUBetter Think, I noticed that subtle MESSAGE in one of your Post's yesterday for people shouldn't really Waste there time Voting, Remember that??
Obama the divider??? Where do repukes come up with this stooopid @!$%#t?? Obama will win with probable majorities and coalition of women, blacks, hispanics, union, the poor, the young, the well educated, etc..
Rumnee has the hypocrite evangelicals who place bigotry before religion vote,, and the rich...
I guess early voteing favors the unemployed?,,, but that somehow seems just..
I am enjoying this "discourse". For the record, I am totally in favor of Social Security, Medicaid, and various other social safety nets for those in need - government has a responsibility for that (Oh, I guess my "real" Democratic roots are showing). I think Obamacare was an over-reach that takes us a step closer to Greece. Seems like making updates and changes to Medicaid and/or Medicare would have been a better approach. I know small business owners who are extremely fearful of the the negative impact of Obamacare. I really dont buy into the stereotype that Republicans are completely ani-government - they are just for limited government. Again, I just see this as a more prudent approach especially when we are already seeing so many real-time examples in Europe where countries are going belly-up with an entitlement approach. Now - go ahead, someone call me a "fake Democrat" or "Republican shill" again.
"I am very fearful of the general attitude of entitlement that the modern Democratic party embraces - an attitude that will take this country down the same path as Greece and the various other European countries with this same entitlement attitude - causing them to go bankrupt." - YouBetterThink
Ahhh, so you are a shill. Real Dems don't think of programs they've paid into all their working lives, such as Medicare and Social Security as "entitlements"; rather, they are guaranteed benefits like any other insurance program. And seriously, if we do wind up like Greece, it will be Republicans' fault for their unbalanced attitude on how the debt should be paid down. But thanks for playing.
Of course you're fake, stop pretending otherwise. Good job of trolling, though.
Now that one made me chuckle. I feel like I should say, "No, Pastor Marko56, I really have accepted Christ, I really am I true Christian - please let me stay in your church!"
You completely missed my point about saying that I dont view Social Security, Medicaid, etc. as "entitlements" and then went for the "you're not a true Democrat" message. Honesly, has the Democratic party really become this cultish?
Whoops, the mask slipped there! Nobody among the Democrats I know talks about Greece; that's a GOP talking point. And the reason the European nations are having trouble is AUSTERITY, not social programs, something you'd know if you were really what you say you are. It's possible that you're just a poor lost lamb... but it's much more likely that you're a troll and a fake.
The Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act provides all Americans an opportunity to receive health insurance by providing a reduction in health care costs and by changing rules so that certain persons are required to be covered by insurance companies. It is not Universal Health Care. It is not European Socialist Health Care. It is merely an adjustment to rules on the books and is the closest this country will likely ever come to Universal Health Care.
What parts of the PPACA are you against, I wonder?
PPACA will lower the budget deficit and will protect future Medicare spending. If you've bought into the "Obamacare will defund America" then you're still a fool. And again you say we're going towards Greece. AUSTERITY measures are what caused the Eurozone collapse. The Republicans are for austerity measures, not the Democrats.
YouBetterThink
The thing with Greece that most people fail to realize is. Greece's economic collapse has nothing to do with it being a Socialist Country. And has everything to do with the fact that. It's conservative party decided to privatize most of its government offices. And when the Stock Market crashed, they had no governmental backing to keep the country a float.
Had the US allowed The Republican Party during the Bush years, privatize as much of our government as the Bush Admin/GOP wanted. We actually would be worse off than Greece is now.
Secondly The Republican Party is everything but for "Limited Government". Look at the GOP's track record for the last 30 years. The size of Government increased under Reagen,Bush41 & Bush43,so did the debt and spending. Republicans tell you they are Fiscally Responsible, but recent history says that isn't the case.
And the reason they have Austerity programs is because they did not keep track of their books and spent more than they could afford on entitlements which caused them to reach out to countries like Germany who are responsible with their budget. As such, now they are asking for money and needing to be on a budget.
It is really that simple. And this Democrat does not want our country going down the same path - hence I voted accordingly. Now, accuse me of heresy against the "Democratic Church"
Dude, your general attitude on "entitlements" gives you away. Either you are for the New Deal (a Democrat) or you're not. Which is it?
YouBetterThink
I for one am not going to accuse you of anything. You voted how you felt you should have. My opinion on how you voted really has no bearings at all. That was your choice, rather anyone agrees with it or not, is completely irrelevant.
YouBetterThink
Like I said You did what you thought was best and I can't ding anyone or that really. I do question you idea about Republicans and limited Government though. There is a small light but effective Federal Government that can manage all the things that need doing on a national level and then there is a Federal Government that is SO Limited as to be completely ineffective.
Think of all the things that have been targets of Republicans for either outsourcing or outright dissolution. FEMA, FDA, Food Safety and Inspection Service (FSIS) the list goes on...
And then there are things to consider beyond Agencies that usually fall under the umbrella of what Republicans consider "Big Government", The Voting rights act for one.
The point being that it's not about just one thing t's about all of them together
@YouBetterThink - I'm not going to address the "Mitt's message" issue. I'll let the other commenters continue to annihilate you on that. Instead, I'd like to point out that Ohio is not the be-all end-all of electoral votes, and that many reports are saying that Obama may very well have enough electoral votes to win even without Ohio. I hate to burst your bubble, but Ohio is not the only swing state. And furthermore, OH votes do not count any more than in any other state. One vote = one vote. Period. So put that in your ballot box and stuff it.
Also, my swing state has more electoral votes than your swing state so nanny nanny boo boo. </sarcasm>
Why do the rightwing talking points ALWAYS go with Greece as a scary-spooky story to tell the kids about the socialist menace and how it destroys a country? Seriously.
Stop with the Faux Nooze talking points. Tell me, if you can, why they rightwing doesn't use the UK or Australia or Canada or Germany or France ... all socialist or socialist-leaning as defined by the GOP as examples, hmmmm? Maybe because those countries have stable governments and stable economy's? Now that just doesn't make for a good talking-point does it?
YouBetter, you yourself used Germany as the stable economy that Greece leaned on. Germany is also a socialist (as defined by the GOP) country. Get a grip.
And that sums it up , it is a simple minded troll that , if it did mange to get to an actual voting booth, would accidentally vote for ralf nader , these people have no life , and just want people to give them attention
It out right claims no other voters matter but the ones in ohio , then gets up set when people tell it to screw off , WORTHLESS
Romneys message? Vote for me because I am not Obama. Oh yeah, also because I am truly white where he is only 50% white. Deny it all you want but that is the only message that romney and his shills have been pushing.
Regarding the Germany example - I never commented on their being Socialist or not, my point is that they are fiscally responsible - unlike Greece, and unfortunately, unlike the United States. We still dont have a budget from Obama.
Update: My wife also voted for Romney and her mom, who has never voted in her life, has also voted for Romney. Not sure if this means that Obama will necessarily lose the overall election, but I do think he is going to lose these Ohio counties that he did win in 2008.
Always nice to have proof it was White American Males they were referring to about "fooling some of the people all of the time."
YouBetterThink: trolling ten times is evidence you're a FOOKING TROLL. Go back to WhiteBoy Fantasy Land, you drooling moron.
YouBetter...no, your implication was that Germany was careful with their books unlike those Greeks who have too many entitlements. My point was that Germany has the same sort of entitlements but haven't tried drastic austerity to balance the budget. It's austerity, no social programs that have caused Greece the trouble with the budget and their people rioting in the streets.
The GOP blocked everything that Obama tried to do, including introduce a budget. But, hey, vote for the party that destroyed the US economy with their policies. Good luck with that.
Again, the Democratic party that I want to participate in and that I originally registered to be a member of did not constantly race bait needlessly. The fact that you are "accusing" me of being White is rather telling - this is such a tiresome refrain from a party that should have better things to do. I just don't view the world in such polarizing ways. Believe it or not, White males can be Democrats who want the best for this country and may divert from the party line in the interest of doing the right thing. The future for my 4 kids (and my African-American God-Daughter) depends on it - but I am sure I will be accused of not having a "real" African-American God-Daughter since I am not a "real" Democrat. The group-think here is beyond belief.
Seriously? If you want to accuse the Dems of "needless race baiting", then you clearly aren't paying any attention whatsoever.
I don't typically watch Faux News, but I think you should watch this clip. You decide for yourself just exactly who is "race baiting".
http://wonkette.com/488748/fox-friends-new-black-panthers-back-and-intimidating-voters-by-holding-door-open-for-old-white-ladies
I am referring specifically to the race-baiting directed to me on this site - injecting race into a discussion about the election and having someone basically "accuse" me of being White (as if that is a bad thing) since I am not falling into line and voting according to the mandate of the Democratic Party. This is a refrain that is needless.
Dude, why don't you just move on? Nobody believes you. If you voted for Romney, fine. Nobody cares. But don't come in here like you are some educated voter and peddle that teabagger crap. We aren't buying it.
You Better Think,
Yeah, Obama really betrayed Democratic values when he brought in the health reform bill he campaigned on.
You repeat all the Republican talking points, but you're really a Democrat. Of course. You may be the only one here who actually believes your 'I'm a democrat" shtick. Anyway, don't let your cornflakes get soggy from your tears when your new crush Romney loses.
May the best man win - Democrat or not.
Heh this is hilarious. The president is to blame for other people's actions. Youbetterthink has a name and attitude that reflects a person who wants everyone to "think independently" yet immediately contradicts himself by suggesting that the attitude of the presidency has even the slightest effect on how people think. Wee
For the record Greece went bankrupt because it outsourced it's services to private companies and then those private companies made a deal with Goldman Sachs to offset their books by participating in the mixed asset bidding that was going on (the same as here in the US with mortgages, banks, and insurance). When the global economy collapsed that took all of the money Greece had and sent it out the window. Greece, for the record, does not have any money. They cannot "borrow" money from anyone- they have not been able to do that since they agreed to participate in the Euro. The Euro in a universal dollar that participating nations used whose existence is controlled by the central bank and regulated by Germany. The money they were requesting from Germany and Spain were more Euros to be printed.
The United States cannot go the way of Greece because we a. have not privatized our social services b. have not combined our social services on the international market and therefore don't know who or what entities are purchasing our assets or what's happening to them c. and because we do not have a universal currency. Using Greece as an example of what might happen in the US is completely absurd because our situations are completely different.
The austerity measures that Greece engaged in further exasperated their problems because the state then was not able to provide a social safety net for the public and that has lead to the massive rioting you see on the news. The deal Greece and Germany worked out had to do with gradually returning those assets to government control, but only under austere measures. By doing so Greece will gradually come to control it's public services again, but it's going to take something like 20 years. That has lead them to this path. The Republican Party's desire to privatize social services- in particular Ryan's plans for Social Security and Medicare- are actually more apt to take us "the road of Greece" than the policies presented by President Obama. To be fair to the Romney/Ryan campaign, though, we still aren't using a universal currency so the "closer to the way of Greece" comparison is somewhat faulty in that it would still be requiring that one element to be valid.
Name one time in the history of the United States when you have gotten a budget from the president. The US Congress sets the budget NOT the US president. The president CAN use his bully-pullpit to suggest outliers that he would like for his budget, but that is all he can do.
For the record you mean to say that we have no new budget from Obama. We are running off the same budget that was passed for FY 2009. That's what this whole sequester and debt ceiling issue has been about. If we had, had a budget passed by our congress these problems would not have came up.
How does Obamacare take us a step closer towards Greece? I am assuming you mean by this that the government took over healthcare, but if you do please realize that Obamacare did no such thing. Obamacare is a policy that expanded private insurance. As a small business owner I am surprised at all these businesses you're talking about who are afraid. You are not legally required to provide health insurance to your employees so what do all these business owners have to fear? The only time it becomes an issues is if you don't pay your employee enough money for that employee to be able to afford health insurance (or the health insurance plan your company offers). Then, when your file your taxes as the business, you have to include a new form that explains your salary breakdown and then the government will send a rebate check to that employee to compensate for the lowered wage. It's more paperwork, yes, but quite honestly if you're a business owner who whines about paperwork you shouldn't have opened the business in the first place. It always amazes me when I run into business owners who are like "why do I have to fill out all these papers and forms." Gee, I dunno, because being a business owner is an administrative position?
Please explain this paragraph. What is an entitlement attitude? What entitlements are we referring to? What evidence do you have that they cause bankruptcy? How are the programs you advocate for- like social security and medicare- not entitlement programs? You mentioned that you wanted to expand medicare. How would that not be expanding entitlements? You make the assertion in a lot of your posts, but I'm not seeing a lot of explanation as to how you're getting to your conclusion.
What message resonated with you from the Romney campaign? How do you think Romney will do better than Obama? Again you asserted this premise multiple times, but never once explained your conclusion.
"Again you asserted this premise multiple times, but never once explained your conclusion."
Because that is what trolls do.
You better think, Does the word DUPED come to mind??
The Great White Wail may not be able to be pushed by the wind but he sure can feel which way it is blowing.
I think that my my governor Fat Ass is secretly hoping Mittens looses so he can run in 16.
Maybe it was Rachael, but someone pointed out "that to know him is to not like him", will probably be a historical hallmark.
I guess the atheists or the secular ethicists failed us by not pointing out that your; personal health, family's health, and community's health should guide your ethic.
Election Fraud in this video, the word really needs to go out. Do not to let this happen. http://youtu.be/QdpGd74DrBM
Wow - I hope that got reported up beyond the old lady who told the voter "oh it will be okay."
I wonder if voters there have the option to request a paper ballot. That's what I would be doing. Heck, even if the display says Obama, who know how the machine actually counts the vote.
My fever dream: Obama quietly talks to Christie about becoming Attorney General instead of running for a second term as Governor. Christie sees that he has no path to the Presidency with the GOP Primary process and accepts. Christie becomes Attorney General and prosecutes the hell out of GOP voter discouragement shenanigans, and nobody can say he's partisan because SHUT UP OR YOU WANT THE BACK OF MY HAND I DIDN'T THINK SO.
Yeah, you might say that I'm a dreamer....
zmulls - you're not the only one! that sounds FABULOUS to me too! :-)
NMK123: That was my immediate response to zmulls post, too! Now I'm going to "hear" that tune in my head all day long. Actually not bad therapy for today!
It could work; I think Christie is thinking about switching parties- from the GuanoNutz Party to the Colin Powell Republican Party.
Excellent post.
Thanks for the comments....I don't think he would or should switch parties. Can you imagine the credibility a Republican AG would have in a Democratic administration?
The Colin Powell Republican Party sounds like an excellent idea.
Which is the sort of thing you do when you're trying to assign blame for the loss, rather than still trying to win. They're throwing in the towel, it would seem.
Whether Christie was invited or not, I'd be willing to bet he's still pretty focused on helping his state recover from Sandy. They certainly have people and businesses displaced, many still without power and other important resources, and much work to do.
For them, partisan campaigning became secondary a week ago, and it still is in New Jersey and other areas. I may not care for Christie as a politician, but I now respect him as a human and an American.
And as Christie told the FOX & Friends "News" team: "... Right now, I don't give a damn about presidential politics."
I agree! It shows Christie's character as a human being and if the shoe was on the other foot as Romney being governor of NJ, you know right where he'd be! He'd be at a Rep. rally instead of standing by the hundreds of now homeless people of NJ... the very people that elected him.
The republicans just don't get it and never will! And if there's any good that comes in the wake of a disaster like Sandy, this is it. What better way to show a man's character and what he is capable of? You step up and take care of business, taking care of those who elected you!!
I have a new respect for Christy, he is standing by his state, this being what he was elected for. Considering the devastation of it, stumpin for Romney for the election is secondary!
Lesson learned? Last time (snowstorm) NJ had 'an event', Christie went to DisneyWorld!
The funny thing is that Christie would have been the number one darling of the right starting this evening when Obama is named the winner. Instead, they have yet another flawed candidate on their hands, from their perspective, and 2016 once again looks like a growing chasm.
Christie was right to thank Obama for the help he got for his State. But to belittle for doing so, just shows how small minded the Republicans really are. When natural desasters hit Hawaii, we here were very thankfull to then president bush, but I guess a Repyblican can never be thankfull to a democrate President. How low can the Republicans go. Right now they are under ground, and sinking faster. Like they are in quicksand, they will vanish from the face of the earth!!
I would say that this was aimed more at Conservative republicans outside of New jersey and the north east (read "the south" and the tea party). They are the ones who aren't going to see Christies remarks about President Obama generously and they distrust or dislike Christie anyway. This just reinforces that belief and makes Romney more palatable to them. If it helps pick up even a few thousand votes by pulling them away from Gary Johnson its worth it to them at this point.
I'm not a Christie fan at all. But I loved his comment about "We're adults, this is how adults act."
That one statement made me respect him about as much as I respect any political leader. I'm glad for the people of NJ that they have a leader who knows that the goal of political races is to provide political leadership when needed, not merely to win office.
I'm not a fan of Christie, I think he's pretty much a bully. However, I've also heard that that is a 'public persona' and that he is, or at least can be, an intelligent, thoughtful, and caring human being. He seems to have shown that over the past week.
Here's the thing, Trenton may only be 20 minutes from Morrisville, PA, but Christie isn't in Trenton now is he? He's along the coast line, most likely somewhere between Asbury Park and Atlantic City, making the trip anywhere from an hour to 90 minutes or more. Perhaps not much on a normal day, but NJ isn't having those right now.
They are really looking hard for someone to blame, aren't they.
Just more evidence of a Scorched Earth campaign
Seems like a trap to me... For instance, if Christie went to a rally, his state and the nation would criticize him for leaving his state in need to play politics. On the other hand, if he doesn't go, he is criticized for being a turncoat, and playing politics.
I think this is a finely crafted Republican ploy. I actually feel bad for Governor Christie. That's new.
There is also the possibility that Romney thinks he is going to win and that this is his way of sinking a potential political challenger later on if not for himself then perhaps for Ryan
OH God forbid Ryan ever becomes a candidate! We will have to move to the moon to get away from these crazed Republicans!
Ouch, poor Christie. I don't like the man, he is a Tea Party darling, but at the same time, this is a totally underhanded, meanspirited method of trying to ensure he's not the 2016 candidate for president.
Backstab crits Christie, ouch.
Christie's reputation, if anything, is that of a plain-talking truth-teller. It must have been very hard to write his convention speech so as to keep that reputation and still appear to support the candidate. Check the transcript; he didn't say a whole lot in support of Mitt.
To praise the federal government for helping his state is a no-brainer given his reputation. Don't like it? Tough.
Leaving his state while this crisis is ongoing? No thanks. If Mitt had offered to come and tour the damaged areas last week? Mebbe.
I don't like Christie particularly. But if he is at least consistent with his own professed ideology, that makes him a good deal better than the current GOP nominee. If that makes him poison in his own party, then that is the party's loss.
he is at least consistent with his own professed ideology, that makes him a good deal better than the current GOP nominee.
For sure .You said it . I don't like him , but I respect him .
That is a world of difference .
Better watch out, Chris!
Willard is comin' after ya with a pair of scissors to cut your hair!
Why? I didn't see Mr. Romney go and help Christie or even give him a compliment for how hard he's worked for the people of NJ. With Romney, it's all about Mr Romney. Go away Mr Romney. Christie would be a better Republican candidate. At least he tells it as it is and doesn't have to lie. And he doesn't take any guff from anyone.
The whole distance thing is crap. He could be next door to the rally for all I care. That's not what mattered. It has to do with bad photo ops and something even more important: the fact that Christie's priorities are with the citizens of N.J. He doesn't owe the Romney campaign sqaut.
Frankly I just don't think the Romney camp "gets it."
'Good luck' is reserved for people with a sense of decency and integrity. Given the GOP's recent attempts to curb voter participation that's clearly not them. So let's kick their ass!
Christie has a lot of responsibilities. He's really busy. He doesn't have time for election BS right now. Can't a leader show appreciation for the help he's receiving regardless of political affiliation? I may not like all of his politics, but he's trying his best to fix the problems in a disaster. I appreciate his no BS approach and the way he's holding people's feet to the fire. Now if he would only help out teachers a little more.
Oh wait, he's starting to do that too - Vote "YES" on prop 1 in NJ.
Christie is more concerned with the state of New Jersey. He is doing the right thing. I am a Democrat who could care less about what Christie says about Obama but he is his business, taking care of New Jersey. Good for him.
It's amazing how many Republians Mitt decimated in the primaries. Now he wants to be everybody's darling? Perhaps Christie is just doing his job, something Mitt doesn't understand. Let Mitt go buy donations for the storm victims and pretend his supporters bought them!
Christie as an Independent at the next election? It appears he may be excommunicated from the GOP. At least he is one Republican he seems to be showing genuine common sense and patriotism.
Christie has to handle the devastation in his state correctly or that will be the end of his career. If he is seen messing around that will be used against him in the future. He is smart to stay away from Romney's sinking ship.
I'm gonna give the fat bastard a pass. He finally wised up and at least had the smarts to re-buff Romney. Now all I want to see is a youtube video with him doing karaoke, singing I'm On Fire.
@You Better Think Why do I suspect that you are not what you say you are? A Democrat? Nah. At best a Republican pretending to be a Democrat to stir things up here. At worst, a DINO because no real Democrat could reasonably support the philosophy of the GOP or its horrendous platform on which Mitt Romney is running. In either case, this registered Unaffiliated Voter who cast his vote for Obama/Biden this morning, doesn't believe you.
I don't get why everyone is giving so much time to a troll that's pretending to be a democrat (small "d" for trolls).
Don't feed 'em, they'll go away! They come round to stir things up and change the message.