I wouldn't ordinarily focus on Karl Rove twice in one afternoon, but this latest development suggests the Republican strategist is losing it.
Hmm. So now we're to believe Obama was "suppressing the vote." It reminds me of Rove complaining in June that Democrats are "trying to take their wallet and buying" the election -- while he raised millions from billionaires so he could buy the election.
But putting that aside, this notion that negative ads constitute voter "suppression" is important because it's crazy.
On the one hand, we see Rove's party, which spent two years imposing the most sweeping new voting restrictions seen in the United States since Jim Crow, targeting likely Democratic constituencies. On the other hand, we see the president, who ran television commercials that criticized his opponent.
One party engaged in voter suppression through legal disenfranchisement, while the other party shaping its message to maximize the electoral impact. For someone to see these as comparable is to strip the word "suppression" of any sensible meaning.
I realize Rove is having a tough time right now, but this is deeply ridiculous.
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PROJECTION!!! It never stops from the teapub turd party.
Perhaps Rove IS Freud, reincarnated, returned as a projection of his projection about projection.
Or Jung, come back to life as a living Shadow.
Quoth Yoda, "When you look at the dark side, careful you must be. For the dark side looks back."
Take that Nietzsche!
Exactly. But really, did we expect someone called Turdblossom to understanding the concept of losing gracefully?
Projection?!!..
I know you are, but what am I? ;)
I just knew that one of the usual suspects would have to chime in to defend Rove, make excuses for him, change the subject, create a false equivalence, deflect, etc., and sure enought there is one of them on page two. I expect more will follow.
LOL! Just typical Rove.
I think he's trying to save his own reputation, since he's pretty much shown he can't deliver to all his backers. He's cost them hundreds of millions of dollars, and they've gotten zero in return. Except notoriety. Everyone knows who they are now.
Yes. Typical Rove alright but are his millionaire and billionaire donors really so naive or stupid as to see his failures as anything other than incompetence?
This is after all his 3rd strike at helping elections. He's out...or should be unless all his donors are as stupid as FOX who refuses to admit mistakes or being wrong. No wonder Rove is so desperate to blame everyone or anything but himself...how can he admit to being overpaid for incompetence.
In 2004, when Bush was reinstalled as dictator, Rove said "Yes! This country is center-right! We'll be in power the next 40 years!"
Two years later, the Democrats took over the congress. Two years after that the democrats took over the White House and the Senate.
Apparently no one, including Rove, learned from that.
Wait... wasn't it Mittens's cronies who were crank-calling democratic elderly folks to tell them they could vote by phone the day after the election in Florida? OHH and wasn't it also them that put some very, very questionable signage about needing an ID to vote on buses in Philly?
Karl Rove is rapidly becoming the most irrelevant tool in politics. He should gracefully disappear before someone really makes him a total laughingstock.
I figured after seeing the delightful photos of his lemon-in-mouth face on Election Night he'd shut up for awhile, but apparently fools know not when to stop talking.
Someone should tell him what Voter Suppression means and how it works.
Rove you got outcoach by the Obama MACHINE,
Your candidate was Serverly Conservative in the primaries,
Debate 1. Consrvative, Debate 2. Moderate, Debate 3 A Liberal,
He was all thing to all men at the drop of a hat. He such and he lost,
America saw right thru him, just like we see right thru you.
Your trying to cover your but, because the billionaires want answers.
Karl Rove has yet to prove he's a well adjusted, healthy adult! -Kevo
You got that right...Karl Rove was the inventor of it.
Karl Rove, the perfect example of what is meant by the old Texanism, "he needed killin'!"
No I'm thinking Turkish Prison.....
He doesn't have the decency or integrity to fall on his sword,
he is just as hollow as Mitt.
You are absolutely correct. Not one in that group has any idea what "integrity" is. And I guess there's no chance of Rove and Lushbaugh joining lips and see who can suck the air out of the other. They are the two biggest bag of winds I have ever seen.
So I guess that Rove, after saying Democrats suppressed the vote, really was stupider than President Obama thought. He just crowned himself as Humpty Dumpty.
Go ahead R's. I dare you to hire him again. That goes double for eD Gillespie.
Karl the shameless hussy. Everyone sees his vile heart and he has the gall to deny what we all know and that he too know- that he is totally wrong and a liar.
It is typical of sociopaths that when their manipulative behavior fails them to begin acting crazy.
Keep in mind also that the bible-thumping camp expects the world to end on 12/21 -- and we just tanked their "salvation" (tm).
I think it's the Mayans who are expecting the world to end 12/21. The Xtians' last attempt was 5/21/2011, and their next will be in 2015.
Rove's world ended on Tuesday night. The rest of our world laughed.
Actually, not.
I've spoken to the Mayans. They are still there, it's just a state in Mexico called Quintana Roo. I visited Chichen Itza, the pyramid that was built to honor Kukulkan, the god of fertility, who is basically the source of their calendar. The tour guide explained how the cycles started out small, and it is tied up somehow in the building of the pyramid. They built a small one, and then a big one basically over the top of it, and there were I think 57 years in the cycle or something like that and the steps on the pyramid -- it's complicated but the gist of it was you don't need a calendar for the year 2012 to get through the year 1012. There is no end of the world myth or prophecy in the Mayan logos, just the fact that they quit printing calendars past that particular date.
As with most agrarian civilizations, the calendar was part of their agricultural process which was bound up in their religion.
Further substantiation to my point that the GOP is really running on crazy at this juncture---no reflection, no introspection, no humility, nothing, but more of the same lies, spin and blame. Morevoer, instead of recognizing (as an Obama advisor pointed out today) that its not about demographics, but values...No one (at least me) is looking for a black or brown face (or someone with breasts) to repeat the same tired GOP partisan talking points and xenophobia filled rhetoric...Its about speaking to issues that matter to people---fairness in the tax code, real immigration reform, an honest look at climate change...and, on and on...I am not saying that I fully expect the Obama Administration to accomplish all (if any of these things), but from what I have seen so far, I like from them...I can't say the same thing about the GOP.
I have been saying it all along the loss is going to drive them off the cliff. The crazy train left the station and it ain't coming back .
We weren't conservative enough...
Let me tell you about the conspiracies...if only Mitt had used Benghazi against him....
They have been reduced to the guy with a shopping cart and Walmart bags standing on the corner yelling.
Me , I'll butter the popcorn and sit back.
I pray they believe that and go even further right next time (if that's even possible).
Pass the popcorn, please!
In other news: Angry man shakes fist at sky
Make that: Angry white man shakes fist at sky
Fine, as long as it's not the fist with the popcorn in it
GOP = Gloomy, Ominous Predictions
GOP = Gullible, Oblivious People
GOP = Grave Oil Predictions
GOP = Grumpy Old Plutocrats
GOP = Greedy Oil Peddlers
So many choices...
Gosh I hope Turdblossom hangs around for the 2016 election season. He's the best thing for the Democratic party since sliced bread!
For Rove "ridiculous" is part of the job description. He needs to stoke fear and hatred on the fight for the left to keep rolling around in Other People's Money. He also needs to keep reinforcing the notion that whatever it is, "both sides do it," because that results in passive voter suppression - if voters think your guy is a sleazeball, but you can convince them The Other Guy is also a sleazeball so they don't even want to bother voting, you don't have to invest as much time money and effort in keeping them from the polls, they're volunteering to stay home.
Rove has always been a one-trick pony -- loudly accuse your opponent of what your side is doing, so the media will report "both sides do it" instead of highlighting your sleazy tactics.
Too bad we can't suppress the hot air leaking out of Mr. Rove.
I'm curious how many of the top echelon of the Republican party is filled with incompetents from the Bush administration.
My guess is that Rove is history.
My guess is that Rove is history. We can only hope.
I don't know how you can call voter suppression when the election matched the polls very closely. But then again, there's that projectionism thing.
And as The Big Dog says, "It takes a lot of brass to accuse the other guys of what you were doing."
Undoubtedly, Rove would claim the Dems committed polling suppression, too.
Of course, there's no truth to any of this. If the Dems were capable of suppressing anything at all, they would in fact suppress Karl "Turdblossom" Rove, Rush "Drug Addict" Limbaugh, Reince "Bedwetter" Priebus, Donald "Leveraged to the Hilt" Trump, Ted "Bat Crap Crazy" Nugent, and Clint "Same Role in Every Damn Movie" Eastwood.
You forgot Kidd "I wanna be just like Bocefus when I grow up" Rock.
We're running out of entertainers. Are we gonna hafta read a book?
That'll suck we might begin to be smarter!
Rove reminds of the sociopathic dude in The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo, squirming naked, bound and gagged on on the floor while she "introduces" her revenge ... you know, the guy who REALLY got what he deserved in the end.
I guess the Republicans saw how their own actions energized the vote instead of suppressing it. They want votes, too. So they simply say Democrats try to suppress the vote so they get their own supporters whipped up and voting. Brilliant! [insert sarcasm here]
Nobody did a better job of denigrating Romney's character than the Republicans. They HATED the idea of nominating him and did the classic "Fall-In-Line" routine when the other R-candidates proved to be even worse.
I still don't understand why every time there's a new republican candidate they feel the need to claim that they are not like the rest of their party. If their party is so disgusting why don't they change parties?
Oh yeah, We don't want them and with 17 variations of the same bull crap all ballots would be se7en hours long and three or four people would be enough to decide any election.
Karl Rove might actually have to get a real job!
If anyone knows what voter suppression looks like, it's Karl. Everytime I see his big kidney bean head, he reminds me of the comic strip character Henry. Unfortunately, Henry knew it was best to refrain from talking; Karl will never learn that lesson. I would like his income to be the first to experience accelerated taxing...
I watched the video, and Rove is simply doing what he always does--attempting to confuse his easily confused audience.
If my 73 year-old father watched this Rove interview on Fox (there's a good chance that he did), then he'll likely tell me that Obama was guilty of suppressing the vote (because Dad parrots everything that he hears on Fox). Of course, I'll have to explain that attempting to persuade people to vote for your guy instead of their guy is not the same as voter caging, purging eligible voters from voter rolls, eliminating opportunities to vote early, and requiring IDs to combat non-existent voter fraud. As usual, Dad won't be persuaded because, you know, Fox News...but at least I will have tried. You know the drill.
Woohoo, well said here!!
It is really is hard fighting Faux derangement syndrome ...like a cult they are told ..never never trust any source but Faux.
I'm one of the lucky ones. My 76-year-old dad (also a rightie, but he never told me until 2009) won't talk about politics with me at all. His reason? He says I'm too smart to argue with. I don't attribute it to being smarter; I attribute it to being right.
Oh.. your dad and my mother should meet... Same song, different verse!
I think my mother actually believes that Pres. Obama will come to her house any day now to steal the good silver right out of the cabinets.
I really feel badly for you. Truly. And I do have some relatives with whom I just don't discuss politics (or religion).
But I'm going to brag (just this one time) that the only person I know who is left of me is my 86 year old father!
it's always projection with dubya's lil' turd blossom, ain't it?
It is. Now if he would only crawl back into the manure pile he crawled out of.
I heard an odd comment from an Republican Governor interviewed by Andrea Mitchell today that somewhat echoes the sentiment behind Rove's comment: that Republicans just did not get out enough of the sporadic voters to win. Such a thought seems to require believing, even in the face of high voter turnout, that most people who didn't vote are secretly Republicans, just not enthusiastic ones. That appears to be just another kind of denial that we're hearing a lot of, as it certainly doesn't confront the demographic facts about the Obama voters.
I hear echoes of "silent majority" in that.
If I lost that much money for the rich, I'd be looking over my shoulder, Karl. Good luck Turdblossom, in your new endeavor, whatever it is. It sure ain't politics. Maybe you could start a church.
Truth be told, this is only ridiculous because we are on the outside of the GOP bubble. Those who are firmly still stuck in their, will not only believe this, they will make it doctrine and appoint it as a pillar of the Conservative Movement.
People have been speculating exactly what will happen to The GOP after losing the election so badly. Are they going to move to the middle, or become more conservative. I'm starting to think the answer is going to be the latter.
So many people who usually vote Republican voted for Obama (and McCaskill in Missouri). Why? There are really two types of Republicans. Those who are the Tea Party and Religious Right and those who are followers of trickle-down economics. Many of my friends that vote by the candidate and not the party voted straight Democrat this election including myself. I think that the not-so-crazy Republicans are afraid of their own party now. I also know many who did not vote because they couldn't bring themselves to vote Democrat. Maybe the two-party system is going to become a 3 or 4 party system now. I really hope so.
"Liberalism is a mental disease" may be the biggest steaming pile of projection these guys ever spewed.
Karl Rove is now a moving target for both the left and the right! He should be seeking shelter right now, but he must lack the sense enough to quit while he's behind before he gets buried by the likes of Alderson! -Kevo
"They characterized Romney as simply a rich guy who only cares about himself." That's a dead-on description of not just Romney but the entire GOP. It's a big part of why they lose. How can they not see that being the party of the 1% is a recipe for failure?
Two wings of the republican party. Behind door #1 I want to make and keep as much money as possible so cut regulations and taxes. Door #2 make what we cherry pick from the Old Testament into law. Abject Greed and Bible Thumping = defeat in presidential elections.
They want to blame everything but the root cause - their drift to more extreme ideology. Stay in denial Karl. When Texas and Florida turn more latino blue all the GOP will be able to win is House seats. Longer the GOP stays in denial the better.
No, Karl..that was YOUR side doing the voter suppression..it just DIDN'T WORK!
Hey, is that Rush LimpBiscuit's twin brother! Well what do ya know, didn't know he had a twin! Can someone please hand me my barf bag!!
How true, how true. Think it is time for both of them to head for the hills (outside the U.S, ) and I think they might concider taking Hanity, Cantor, and a few others with them. I know the air would smell fresher! I have NEVER seen such ego's in all my life.
Karl Rove's modus operandi has always been to accuse the other guys of things his group is in fact wildly guilty of.
This is not rediculous or pathological or silly or stupid or any of that. This is calculated and forward-looking. This is a bald attempt to define the phrase "voter suppression" down to the point at which it is meaningless so when they super-charge their actual supporession efforts next cycle, they'll be able to say "that old saw? We all know both sides do it. Besides who cares?" That's how you steal. You convince people they don't need whatever you want to take.
Karl Rove needs meds. Either the legal kind, or the illegal kind, whichever makes him a happier, more well-adjusted human being.
I dunno about that. Didn't work for Druggie Rush.
Can he go one day without projecting his faults on the rest of us? I saw him yesterday and he accused me of blowing $400 million on the election and eating his sandwich.