If you're not in Arizona, you could easily miss the story of what's happening there this week: More than 630,00 votes left to count after Tuesday's election, more than 172,000 of them provisional ballots, and many of those believed to have been cast by newly registered Latino voters who experienced some kind of hitch at the polls. Voters who used a provisional ballot face a deadline of Wednesday to return to their county elections offices and present ID that shows they voted rightfully.
Enough votes remain uncounted to swing several races in Arizona, including three for Congress and some where candidates have conceded or declared victory. At the far end of the spectrum, Maricopa County Sheriff Joe Arpaio's apparent re-election falls within the range of votes still not counted. Much closer is the race for Congresswoman Gabby Giffords old seat, now divided by a few hundred votes.
Instagrammed by @VotoLatino.
As of Friday afternoon, Arizona has gotten the pile of ballots down to 524,633, including the 172,196 provisional ballots. Activists in Greater Phoenix, in Maricopa County, have been protesting at the county elections bureau. They say they will stay there until the counting is done. While they wait for the world to find their story, they're telling it themselves. I've included a video, above, from a Youtube account known as PresentePac (associated with these folks?) and another, after the jump, from Chandra Narcia at the protests.
Posted by Presente.org.
@Presente and @VotoLatino are tweeting the story. Active hashtags for it seem to be #Maricopa, #Marico, #CountMyVote and #CountEveryVote. The Arizona Secretary of State's office has been posting updates on the counting in the late afternoons.
@KellenWilson tweeted this yesterday from a candlelight vigil at the Maricopa County clerk's office.
Tweeted yesterday by @KellenWilson at the Maricopa County clerk's office.
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Well, just because there is absolutely no excuse any Arizona official can make to deflect the profane moment that that once great State has made of the voting process - the utter backbone of our democracy that men and women die to defend - it finds itself in such a cockamamie place, spewing hogwash if it even tries to defend the unsaleable!
The strike team of Scalia, Husted, Harris, O'Reilly. Hannity, Thomas and their subordinates should be forced to go to Arizona and count the ballots in front of all America until they are fully counted, and the members of the strike team are rehabilitated regarding their reluctance to honor the precept of one person one vote! -Kevo
Hi Kevo,
Arizona and Florida are why we need a "National Online Voters Rights Act" that would mandate all states and counties to provide access to online voting.
The only reason the house would not pass that kind of new law would be if they like voter fraud.
You do realize the vulnerability to hacking of an encrypted voting system with public access? If you're not sure...it's high, probable, and not easily caught given the level of sophistication that would be necessary to accomplish it.
But interesting theory, boogie man house likes voter fraud. Brilliant!
Here is a plan for the next four years. One machine per household. A machine created by the government, used to view ALL proposed bills, connected to a separate network from the internet. This network allows you to (in real time) view what is going on in congress (videos) read proposed bills, view vote histories and contact your officials. Also it will be used to vote in FEDERAL elections. Give everyone a unique federal election id number. You can view your votes, but it is not tied to your name at all. Just used to see if you have voted.
Jobs? These machines are made by the government, the network infrastructure is made by the government. The cables are run by the government. Could we do it in 4 years? I do not know, but we could discuss it.
I can't believe what I just saw on TV
They said the Welfare Society just voted themselves a raise
The nerve
You watching Fox again?
He probably never stopped watching, and they've doubled down on the lies since Tuesday at Faux Snooze.
Arizona is really spelled A-L-A-B-A-M-A
Don't disrespect Alabama, Arizona is a racist state in its own right, you may recall that Arizona wasn't going to recognize MLK Jr's holiday, until the players in the NFL said they wouldn't play in the Superbowl scheduled there unless the honored MLK Jr.
Arizona has a lot of contractor provided prisons, so the state has to keep a steady supply of prisoners, kind of like they did in the South after slavery was made illegal, but not abolished. Arizona and all Republican run states pride themselves on suppressing the vote. I hope that the people in Arizona don't let the politicians get away with it.
Arizona is where democracy goes to die, and fascism grows like a toadstool from the corpse.
Arizona is the state of the Phoenix. Out of the ashes Liberty will rise!
Wow! I kind of hate to see it burn down, but you may be right...
Arizona is where old white people from New York and California go to retire.
Arizona is where Conservative old white people from New York and California go to retire.
Fixed it. :-)
This isn't unusual. The San Diego (CA) County Registrar of Voters election results still shows 325,000 uncounted provisional and mail-in ballots.
42% of South Carolina voted for Obama. Now if the same folks keep going to the polls every time and take a few friends...
Arizona is in denial and shock ... well a few Arizonans are, the ones that thought they owned the state.
Here's to those that refuse to be denied their right to have a say in their governance!
This should probably go up 10% if the federal government mandates a right to access online voting in all 50 states.
As of November 9th, there are still 524,633 votes that have not been counted in Arizona. In the two most populous counties, home of Phoenix and Tucson, uncounted early voting totals amount to 291,878 votes and provisional ballots total 141,194, for a total of 433,072 . At stake are elections for three Representatives, one Senator, and Sheriff Joe Arpaio. Election officials have called the Senatorial race for Jeff Flake and the Sheriff's contest for Joe Arpaio, even though they are within the margin of error.
I voted early by mail just to avoid this kind of travesty. Tucson, with approx. 80,000 uncounted votes, is the home of the University of Arizona, and is considerably more liberal than Maricopa county and Phoenix. When the voting on election night showed Barber's campaign behind (when polls showed him well ahead), something seemed wrong. Barber was running as an incumbent (and Gabby Gifford's replacement) in a fairly liberal part of the state. Nobody knew on election night that literally 600,000 votes had not been counted.
I have Hispanic friends who were signed up for early voting, and they never received their ballots in the mail. These are the people who showed up to vote at a polling place, only to be given a provisional ballot because, supposedly, they had been sent a ballot by mail, and they were heavily Hispanic.
rwsgate: Please let your friends know how much we appreciate that they are standing up for their vote. They take on this battle for all of us. Thank you so very much!
With 33% of the vote uncounted as of today (524,000 votes out of 1.6 million total), Jeff Flake-R leads Richard Carmona-D by 70,000 votes. Ron Barber-D trails McSully by 36 votes (yes, 36), with 80,000 votes still to be counted. Numerous state congressional and senate seats are separated by less than 1,000 votes.
Sheriff Joe Arpaio leads Paul Penzone by 85,000 votes in Maricopa County, with 352,000 votes not yet counted. Arpaio is an 80 year old, anti-immigrant, publicity seeking fool, who is under investigation for over $100 million in misappropriated funds, has been sued (and lost) for over $60 million in wrongful death actions. Homeland Security revoked his rights to arrest and turn over to ICE illegal aliens, the only person to have received that condemnation. He has over 27,000 unserved arrest warrants, and over 450 rape cases that have gone unprosecuted. Even the AZ Republic, a right leaning newspaper, strongly recommended his opponent, Paul Penzone. Arpaio has been charged by Amnesty International as a human rights violator, the only individual to be so chosen.
The state Elections Board says they are going to count every ballot. We'll see.
rwsgate,
thank you for this information.
i hope every vote is counted.
Ninz, i agree.
Kind of makes you think they are postponing the count from certain neighborhoods in order to throw the election.
Just hear the Secretary of State, Detzner, in Florida claiming that they are going to do a "better job next time". Yea, yea, yea - didn't they say that last time?
The only way for Floridians to know that things will be done "better next time" is to vote HIM and the rest of his cronies out of office!
A high priority for both the national and state Democratic parties should be to recruit, support and to see to it that we elect honest, professional persons to these secretary of state and election board positions. These are usually elections that fly under the radar and most voters do not pay attention to them. We all need to see that we pay attention to them.
We the voters just have to be sure that we stay engaged to support good government both at the federal and the state levels.
Another high priority is for us to educate our fellow Democrats that off-year elections MATTER. I was talking yesterday with my very smart nephew, who lives in Pittsburgh, and he told me he finally understood why I kept telling him to vote in every election, when he went to vote on Tuesday and found that his deep-blue neighborhood had been redistricted into the district of a Tea Party nutbag, one in which the Democrat had no chance. The Ed Show pointed out Wednesday that the congressional map for 2008 and the one for 2010 (after the Republican Gerrymander) had effectively left Democrats with two seats in Congress. It will be this way till 2020. Barney Frank told Rachel on Thursday that if we had been running with the same districts that existed in November 2010 (before the Great Gerrymander) that Democrats would have taken the House. More Democrats voted in Congressional races than Republicans, yet the Great Gerrymander completely disfranchised them.
In California, we did the one good thing Arnold Schwarzenegger wanted to do, which was take the power of redistricting out of the hands of the Legislature and give it to an independent citizen commission. The result? We had the majority of turnovers in Congress, the delegation is now 80% Democratic. But far more important, we now have the necessary 2/3 majority in both the State Senate and State Assembly to be able to put the financial house in order, with the Republicans completely sidelined and made Officially Irrelevant.
The only way we're going to make any progress in this country is when that happens across the country. And it is going to take Democrats voting in the numbers they voted this year, in all the coming elections through 2024. It's going to be a long hard slog, but the other side, the "conservative movement", has had this level of commitment since 1960, working to take local control, extend that upward, and have the results they have. Can we do less?
Ohio had an action like this on the ballot - Issue 2 - and it was voted down. People here did not understand what the issue was for, there was a lot of misinformation about it and no one was really getting the message out about the gerrymandering in 2010. It is a shame because heavily democratic areas of Ohio ended up with republican house representation. No one is really talking about the disenfranchisement here.
Protestors - take those who need a ride down to the elections bureau and have them verify with their IDs. Just whining won't get the job done.
Stevg- their are 115,000 provisional ballots still uncounted, and because of Veteran's Day, all those voters are only going to have Tuesday and Wednesday to validate their ballots. Do you think the county registrar can handle verifying 115,000 ID's in two normal working days? For the latest on this situation go to:
http://ktar.com/22/1587419/Uncounted-ballots-frustrating-AZ-groups-
The once great state of Arizona, is now the country's biggest joke, I'm ashamed of my own state! Pinal and Pima counties should have their votes looked at also.
Voters here have until November 14th (Wednesday) to verify their ID's with the state. The vast majority of the provisional ballots are minorities. Prior to the election 38,000 notices were sent to Spanish speaking voters, telling them that the election was on November 8th, not the 6th. The state offices are not open over the weekend and will be closed on Monday for Veteran's Day, leaving only two workdays in which to validate a provisional vote. How many people are going to be able to find the time to leave work (for a second time in one week) to clear up the provisional voting mess, and make their ballots count? How many of these voters are lower income who can't afford to lose a payday?
It's time for a non-partisan Registrar and Secretary of State. Both are Republicans here and Helen Purcell ran unopposed (and has for years). Elections are too important to be in partisan hands.
As reported by Phoenix Fox 10 news, there are still over 524,000 ballots that have not been counted yet. There are questions whether the Senate race between Flake and Carmona, Sheriff race, Arpaio and Penzone, and the Presidential race between Obama and Romney. The Latino vote was high due to the early ballot process and with a third of the electorate not counted, it could swing all races aforementioned. This story needs to go national or the rightwing of this state will suppress the growing Democratic electorate. Please help us.
Marvin D. Coleman
Something strange went on with the Arizona election process, especially with the provisional ballot situation. There was a huge increase in the number of those that people were forced to vote with this year.
My granddaughter lives in Maricopa County at the same address she has been at for most of her life. This was her second election, yet she was given a provisional ballot because she wasn't on the registered list. BTW, her last name is Jones, not the most hispanic sounding name around.
There was literally no reason she should have been purged from the voter rolls. She does, however, attend the state university, which is the only thing I can think of that might account for the situation, although that's hard to imagine why that would effect her voter registration.
If an error was made in her case, how many more of those 'errors' are out there? Yes, we do need help.
The voting in Florida and Arizona is unacceptable . The states made it as hard as they could trying to keep people from voting. It is great that the people stayed in line so long to be able to vote, now making sure their vote is counted. They are true Americans.
My brother-in-law alerted me to a protest on Nov. 1, 2012, of inner-city blacks from Chicago's South and West side claiming that Mayor Emanuel and Obama were evicting tenants and tearing down their neighborhoods without giving them a fair shake. They marched to ABC's Channel 7 studios but the no reporters even investigated their claims. I watched the video of this protest. I'm an Obama supporter and a fan of TRMS. What is the truth regarding this protest, Rachel? Surely you wouldn't ignore this protest simply because it casts a shadow over Obama, would you? Inquiring minds want to know about this event.
Velma- Where did you see the video of this protest? There is nothing on any of the search engines (including Google, which owns YouTube) concerning a protest on November 1st. If it was important enough to have a video, it was important enough to have some mention on the Internet. I'm also pretty sure that Obama wasn't evicting tenants and tearing down their neighborhoods. Was this a reclamation project? New housing?
I think you were watching an episode of "Boss" Velma, either that or the con artist who sent you the e-mail was working from that show. Once again, a Republican moron gets the (un)truth.
Actually there were a few (maybe 10?) people with signs and bullhorns marching in downtown Chicago on Nov. 1st, led by Mark Carter, a whacko running for alderman. It doesn't appear large and it may have been "instigated" by the Republicans since nobody but the rwn's covered it.
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/11/02/Black-Grassroots-Activists-Protest-Obama-Fundraiser-City-Hall-and-ABC-News-in-Chicago
Many of those provisional ballots weren't because of lack of ID. I have 4 friends, all white, all in CD2 (the hotly contested Barber/McSally race), who showed up to vote with their voter registration card, their driver's licences, and the ballot proposition booklet / sample ballot / other official election mailer which showed their precinct location. All four of them were told they weren't on the rolls. All four have stories of unhelpful poll workers, others in line ahead of them who were sent away, and all four were at some point told to leave, despite showing their IDs and the documentation that they were, indeed, in the right place. Unlike some who left or went to another polling place (likely to the same chaos) these friends of mine demanded to vote, and were forced to vote provisional ballots.
If this happened to just 4 friends/coworkers of mine, who showed up with multiple forms of ID, how much worse must have those voters with less documentation been treated? How hard can it be to get everyone's name on the voting rolls, if they're on the mailing list for the election mailers?
I mean, damn, we landed a robot on mars. We've built the world's largest telescope mirror. Here in Arizona! And we can't get one list of names from the mailing list to the binders at the polling places? Seriously?
thanx for posting that carie
A letter I send to the Speaker of the House today.. I suggest that we all do the same. His website is www.speaker.gov.
"Honorable Speaker of the House:
I am writing to your office to assert my disgust at your lack of leadership. On this past election we spoke loud and clear on what we prefer in term of economic solutions. Stop listening to your cohorts at FoxNews and put you ear on the country as a whole instead. Stop making excuses and trying to find bogus reasoning of why the GOP party lost. It wasn't Sandy, it wasn't the extreme social views of some of the extremist on the GOP, and it wasn't any particular demonizing ad run by the Obama campaign. The reason the nation went running away from the GOP agenda was first, because we did not want to be bought by the promise of lower taxes knowing how troubled and in debt the country is, and because we didn't want for the nation to go back in the achievement of finally having national healthcare.
I am a small business owner in NYC and I know for a fact that the president tax proposal and healthcare reform are going to negatively affect my economic outlook. However, I also know that it is all for the greater good of this country that I so much love and that have given me so much. I did earn well over 250K last year. And I know that under the president tax plan I will have to pay a bigger share of my earnings. Nonetheless, I cannot think of a better use of my money than to use it to help my fellow countrymen. How many more houses, cars and yachts I need? I have always feel that the more secure and healthier my workforce is the better production I get from them, ObamaCare do not scare me nor would raise my cost significally since offering healthcare to my employees has always being a priority of mine. In my opinion we have already enjoy the Bush-era tax cuts for way too long and I have not see the positive impact in the economy nor any improvement on our GDP because of it. Your argument do not hold water anymore. Let's give the president's idea an opportunity. If it doesn't work, we can always go back and try something else. What is not feasible is for you to keep arguing the same argument put forward before the election after we already obviously decided overwhelmingly for the alternative. You are acting stubbornly and irresponsibly. We all know that adding revenues by cutting tax loopholes like you (and Mr. Romney) have suggested, would not work and will end up affecting a big portion of the middle class. I personally prefer to keep all of my current adjustments and deductions, including the many work creation related credits and get rewarded for growing rather than for only profiting. What is a few hundreds thousands more for people like us while the country infrastructure and our education systems keep getting worse?
We need for the government to invest in preparing our country for the future. Most of our streets, trains, bridges and school are old and becoming obsolete by the minute. China is being constructed anew with the newest urban planning technologies and so are Japan and Brazil. Let's stop being selfish for a minute and let's re-built the urban framework of the future. Look what happened in NYC apparently our model to the world of how an urban modern city should look like. We practically came to a standstill because our infrastructure is not modernly designed to sustain the changes in global warming. China and Brazil are investing heavily in solar power and other alternative energy sources and if we do not catch up soon enough we will be left behind again as it happened with consumer electronics and Japan in the last few decades. We need to be the leaders of innovation. That is what have defined the greatness of this country since the old radio days time. I urge you to re-think your position and to give Mr. Obama's plan a chance. If it doesn't work, then the GOP will have a stronger economic argument to run in 2014 and 2016. If it does work, it will be better for the country and you will look better politically for being the voice of reason for your party. It is a win-win situation for you... The opposite could be suicide for both, you and for the GOP party. Just a suggestion from a concerned citizen tired of the partisan politicking occurring in Washington nowadays. Thanks."
Well put! Time to move forward or be lost in the dust. Or is it their plan to default the government and replace our currency and establish the NWO.
FACTS AND FIGURES..YOU DECIDE WHAT THEY MEAN.
“This was a major plunge in turnout nationally,” said Gans, who estimated about 126 million Americans voted, for an overall turnout rate of about 57.5 percent.
In Arizona, almost 19 percent fewer people cast ballots than in 2008. In Maryland, where voters approved a ballot measure allowing gay marriage, turnout in the presidential race was running more than 7 percentage points behind 2008. Alaska saw a drop-off of nearly 25 percent over four years ago, when former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin was the Republican vice-presidential nominee.
MORE.....http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/early-figures-show-fewer-americans-cast-votes-in-2012-race-than-in-2008/2012/11/07/57debb1e-28a2-11e2-aaa5-ac786110c486_story.html
FELONY DISENFRANCHISEMENT
Nationally, an estimated 5.85 million Americans are denied the right to vote because of laws that prohibit voting by people with felony convictions. Felony disenfranchisement is an obstacle to participation in democratic life which is exacerbated by racial disparities in the criminal justice system, resulting in 1 of every 13 African Americans unable to vote.
MORE....http://www.sentencingproject.org/template/page.cfm?id=133
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WHY YOU CAN'T VOTE ONLINE IN THE U.S. ELECTION
If Estonia can vote online, like the woman above, why can't the Unites States?
There’s online banking, online dating, and online classes. It seems like our entire world is online sometimes. So as millions of United States citizens go to the polls tomorrow (with some early voters already having experienced major problems), why isn’t the U.S. voting online?
Technology Review reports on an e-voting symposium held at Princeton University that discussed the problems with online voting. The main problem? Not surprisingly, security.
And in response to the fact that some nations like Estonia have turned to online voting, Dill says: “I contend that nobody knows whether there is fraud in those nations, because there is no way to detect it.”
In 2010, the District of Columbia tested online voting and asked computer experts to try to hack the system. The result? You guessed it: The hackers were successful and the program was suspended.
Online voting is certainly appealing. In the last presidential election in the U.S. only about 58 percent of the voting-age population actually voted. Voting online would make a process that should only take a few minutes actually take a few minutes instead of a few hours. Making voting easier could mean an increase in participation.
But if the U.S. ever did make the switch to online voting, I think it would lose a powerful symbol of democracy: Being physically present with your neighbors to cast a vote that counts the same, no matter if you’re rich or poor, black or white, female or male. Would it be worth losing that symbol for potentially greater voter participation? We’ll save that discussion for the day when online voting is viable.
http://www.smartplanet.com/blog/bulletin/why-you-cant-vote-online-in-the-us-election/4682
Vote by Mail
Advantages of Voting-by-Mail
Mail balloting has several advantages over traditional polling. First, it is cost effective. Second, it has resulted in increased participation among voters. Third, it is easier for election officials to conduct. Fourth, it allows for a more accurate picture of eligible voters, by keeping voting lists up-to-date. Fifth, it gives voters a longer opportunity to study the ballot and find answers to their questions.
For example, between 1995 and 1997 in Oregon, counties saved over $1 million on three vote-by-mail special elections. If, during that same period, primary and general elections had been conducted by mail, Oregon counties could have saved an additional $3 million.
MORE...http://archive.fairvote.org/turnout/mail.htm
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With long lines keeping people from voting something must be done to rectify it. For one a nation wide federal standard would help. Voting online is to risky but I would like to see a number unique to each ballot and voters would get a carbon copy of their ballot and then with their ID number call/online check to see that it was registered correctly. I think if all voters used a mail or absentee ballot write-in's would rise and help make for change in the Coke vs Pepsi in politics and help end partisanship.
The idea that you can handle your DMV bills online makes it highly suspicious when you can't use that same identity verification to cast your vote online.
If we could pass a "National ID Act" in 2005, then why can't we pass a "National Online Voting Rights Act" in 2013?
The first one should justify the second one.
Everyone should be able to vote any time they like if they have access to a smart phone, public PC at a library/college, home PC, ....
It costs about $1 per voter for paper ballots.
It costs about $0.1 per voter for online.
There is no excuse for our voting situation.
2008 131,240,456, Wikipedia
2012 120,157,324, Total so far MSNBC
2012 133,323,684, Expected if reporting is proptional MSNBC
Online voting 2012
http://www.usatoday.com/story/onpolitics/2012/11/05/new-jersey-internet-voting-sandy-election/1684007/
I sent a BUG REPORT to the Newsvine just go to your Account page and in the upper right you can also. Unless you like the NEW FORMAT don't!
This is what I wrote them...
As for the semi new blog format it sucks plain and simple. Go back to the old format. Only real complaint about the old format is after writing a long post at times it just gets deleted before finishing it! Please fix this problem. The new format takes forever to log in doesn't refresh itself and if I do it. It jumps to the last comment friends are not indicated and the edit doesn't work all the time. The Avatar is round and pictures aren't!Also the scalier for size is out of whack. No way to express displeasuer with inflamitory comments or of no value either.No thanks for the new and uniproved blog! If you have read the blog you know how comments have dropped off and many stopped altogether. Its the Edsel and Yugo of blogs.
Ditto.
Ditto, ditto, and it is also too bright and white. Comments disappear for me, too and one does not know how to even start to post.
It is the Mitt Romney of blogs as well as the Yugo and Edsel of blogs. It should be called the Hoover format, it sucks so bad.
You might want to update your java, I did that and it seemed to work better.
YAY Arizona, POWER TO THE PEOPLE---stay strong!!!!!! ALL VOTES MUST BE COUNTED!
Meanwhile, in AZ CD3.... we have an instance of what the Tucson Weekly aptly labels "Math You Do as a Republican To Make Yourself Feel Better" (God bless Megyn Kelly for coming up with that doozie.) : http://www.tucsonweekly.com/TheRange/archives/2012/11/09/dispatch-from-crazyland-gabby-mercer-believes-she-can-still-win
(Grijalva's opponent, who lost 37% to Grijalva's 58%, a difference of over 24,000 votes, thinks the difference is actually under 1,200 votes, and is refusing (still!) to concede)
What we need now is leadership from the President and our Government. Some are for smaller government but we need it in many ways. Things that have been suggested that no longer need the Federal government are EPA FDA USDA but what would keep companies from polluting and destroying our fragile environment.
Our food air water land are all things we should feel safe with. Our government is based on Christian values but should not be bound by any of them. Another thing that needs to be larger and not smaller is Consumer Fraud over $90 billion dollars are lost each year to scammers and to those who can least afford it. Lack of regulation on Wall Street created this mess and little has been done to stop it from happening again. I think Glass-Steagall needs to be put back in force to stop a repeat of the crash. No more bailouts for those who risk investors money and when they lose the taxpayer foots the bill.
The Bush/Obama Tax Cuts if allowed to expire and if nothing is done before it happens the economy will suffer. I suggest that those who will be impacted the least be the first to pay higher taxes and cuts from programs that wouldn't impact the health and welfare of the people be also first to be cut. Then letting the economy adjust before moving on to more reform.
We need economic patriotism and the President should ask that Companies that are doing well give workers a raise. It would have a greater impact on the debit than increasing taxes alone. The President shouldn't be brash or bullish on this just make it a unified battle against the weak economy, as much the nation did during WWII and the Moon race. It's true if divided we stand we all shall fall.
Hi xxx ooo,
These are good suggestions, but 100+ years of evidence indicates economic collapse begins and ends with immigration enforcement.
Reagan and Taft are the only republicans presidents with pro-immigration policies, and the only republican presidents that improved the economy.
Woodrow Wilson is the only democrat that collapsed the economy in the last century. That happened in 1913s when Wilson signed a law that outlawed Mexicans by requiring immigrants to "speak English, Yiddish, or Hebrew".
Apart from those 3 exceptions, republicans collapse the economy and democrats improve the economy, and those cycles depend upon immigration enforcement.
Obama issued an immigrant amnesty in May 2012. Unemployment immediately went below Bush unemployment rates. US Department of Labor Statistics suppressed that information for 3 months.
Our "illegal immigrants" are migrants descended from Native American nomadic tribes that were denied citizenship in North America and Central America.
100+ years of evidence indicates these native people represent wealth.
Article 2, United Nations Genocide Convention of 1951:
Republicans routinely violate Article 2 parts (b) through (e) every time they get elected.
That collapses the economy like clockwork.
The Show Revolution is on now on NBC CST
We are divided right down the middle. So many relationships have been destroyed during the election season. Of course, I am bullheaded enough to still bug my Republican family and friends. There were some serious disagreements. We didn't get to the name calling stage so that is good. I don't imagine that people in New Jersey and New York care whether you are Republican or Democrat when you are coming to help.
On the fiscal cliff I say if the Republicans continue to obstruct then let the country go over the fiscal cliff. We will recover.
On this voting stuff. Unbelievable. These people have a right to vote. Let them vote.
They did this stuff in the south in the 1800s. This is 2012 for heavens sake get over it.
I guess time heals no wounds.. Or is it those who learn nothing from history are dammed to repeat it? I just damn them!
Voto Latino and the other groups working on this need to make sure they drag every last "provisional voter" down to the appropriate Arizona sites by Wednesday. Every last one of those votes needs to be counted, and the Republican partisan officials will take advantage of any excuse they can find for not doing so.
AZ hasn't counted all the provisional and early mail in ballots. Hundreds of thousands. So how do they know who won? How many ballots did they misplace? Did our votes count?
Early mail in I thought would be counted as they got them. Why do they have boxes and boxes of stuff they haven't handled? Don't they run these thru the machine like you do when you go in person on voting day?
Great so we don't live in the United States. We live in a third world country where the people in power decide they stay in power. A dictatorship. Trash. So who do you complain to on the federal level to get these trash bags called on the carpet and our constitutional rights can be upheld?
I would like to see the media make some noise. What about it?
Carl Rove really blew it for Romney! Its because he failed and dropped out of Electoral College!
The die is cast.
Many political pundits offer their expert opinions as to why the Democrats won along with President Obama on Election Day. The voting statistics show a coalition of minorities, and women voted against the Republicans, but one class of voters made the difference this year. Minorities have fought for their rights in the past, but a real and immediate threat to women’s reproductive rights during this election cycle begs for further examination considering this voting class tipped the election.
First, why are women a minority when they compose of over 51 per cent of total human population? Why are women discriminated against along with Hispanics, Asians, Blacks, Jews, etc, ad nauseam? Are women not men’s equal? Did our nation’s forefathers not also mean to include in our Declaration of Independence that all men (and women) are born equal?
Let us imagine traveling back in time when primitive societies existed; whereas men hunt for food, eat their fill, and then allow women and children to eat the remains. Man is obviously larger, stronger, and much cruder when seeking sex. Women were pretty much enslaved from the start, or were they?
Where does love fit into the relationship between man and woman? If a man loves a woman, will he impose his bigger physical force upon his true love? Doubtful, but some couples may like it like that.
So if women were not enslaved from even primitive times, then what the hell happened since then that causes so many women die from having to bear heirs, males, and lots of other valuable assets? Religion seemed to influence a strange behavior against supposedly the other half of the human species. Often women are referred to as wicked, inferior, and other discriminating beliefs.
Ancient Hebrew text say that Adam and Eve was not the first couple God made, but Lilith was made from Earth, and given to Adam, but when Adam refused to allow Lilith woman on top position in love making, Lilith ran off to satisfy her sexual lusts away from Adam. Basically, Lilith dumped Adam, so God made Eve from one of Adams ribs making woman subservient to man. A very charming story if you are a man. A really suckie story, if you are a woman having to face an extraordinarily ugly man five times
your mass, in fact, even worse if you were wed to him while still a child. Basically, religion encourages society to enslave women to serve man. It seems men are using religion and culture to gain easier access to the woman’s sex organs, or restrict its use by the owner by marrying her to God.
Now that the election is over, do you believe the Republican rapist advocates will change their religious beliefs? Has any Republican come forward to apologize for the countless disrespectful acts during the election cycle? First, they complain that President Obama is an n-word, then admit that they must smooth talk Hispanic voters (although they look like Asians) more in the next two years, etc. ad nauseam. Please, please vote them into an extinct political species; replacing them all with women actually evens the male and female percentages well.
This election brought forth the underpinnings of Conservative beliefs that are now embedded into our political reality. Less access to abortions; attack on Affirmative Action; demanding our Presidential candidates confess they are Christian only believers; change laws to allow infants to labor below minimum wage (enslaving again); etc. This means each election henceforth must include women’s deciding vote, or the minorities and Liberals will lose all this year’s gains.
If women must continue participating in our political process, then may I suggest one of you to run for President in 2016 before the Conservatives nominate one? Do you want Sharon Engle, or a non-witch as our next President? Let us admit that only after a woman gains power to the most powerful instrument in our known Universe will discrimination finally expunge the irrational stupidity out of these barely educated Conservative American citizens. Run, get elected, and show these Conservatives that discrimination against women can prove costly, and speed up their evolution. Call it an evolution revolution.
It is time for women to run things for a while. Let us see what you got girl!
You have made some very good points Danny Ledoux. But when you really get down to it, it is people who crave power, control and greed that will manipulate and deceive people. These are the same types of people that really have skewed religion into something that it is not. These people are the ones who make up these traditions and start some hype that is really false and not true at all, especially when it comes down to enslaving people. It becomes so apparent when you see how narrow-minded men have manipulated and changed the truth of what really existed. Stories get passed down and will change to suit some ones desires. You have a man who wants to have power, control and greed over people; he will twist the truth presenting lies to gain what he wants. And if this man doesn’t like women, then for sure he will put women into oppression and being subservient. Of course, none of it is really true, since he has taken the real truth and warped it into a total falsehood. There is nothing per say wrong with spirituality or religion, when you realize the truth of it and that there is something much greater than all of us. But when you have these narrow-minded men twisting the real truth for their own personal gain, than you have what has happened here which is nothing good for anybody and causes abuse, misery, despair, and death.
Actually, if you go look at some of the gatherer-hunter societies that still exist, like the people in the Kalahari Desert in southern Africa, who are living the way our ancestors likely did up to 20,000 years ago, you find that women do the gathering, which provides the majority of the food, the men do hunt, but they recognize the contribution, and the society as a whole is very equal, with men, women and children all treated will within the group.
Our problem is, we are perfectly evolved to live in a group of no more than say 150 people, living and eating simply. What we've turned into in the past 200 years no living organism could "evolve" to deal with.
Go look at the Late Stone Age villages they're discovering in Europe. No village walls, because there wasn't any war in a society that worshiped a Goddess and in which the genders were equal from all the evidence found. Then the Aryans arrive (the Indo-Europeans) about 4,000 years ago, with their male God and their patriarchy, and walls appear in the villages.