Today's edition of quick hits:
* There's no shortage of twists and turns in the sex scandal surrounding former CIA Director David Petraeus.
* New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo (D) is looking for $30 billion in federal disaster aid in the wake of Hurricane Sandy.
* Yesterday, President Obama honored Veterans' Day at Arlington National Cemetery, arguing among other things that the nation "must do more" to support veterans when the return home from war.
* Middle East: "Syria pulled both Turkey and Israel closer to military entanglements in its civil war on Monday, bombing a rebel-held Syrian village a few yards from the Turkish border in a deadly aerial assault and provoking Israeli tank commanders in the disputed Golan Heights into blasting mobile Syrian artillery units across their own armistice line."
* It took a little longer than it should have, but we learned over the weekend that President Obama really did win Florida, upping his overall total to 332 electoral votes for the year.
* The BBC's director general has resigned in the wake of the network's child sex-abuse scandal, which "began with allegations against a single former BBC employee, has since engulfed hospitals, children's homes, even the police."
* Frank Luntz is chastising Republican pollsters who got 2012 so very wrong, but he appears to be throwing stones from a glass house.
* And former Bush adviser Karen Hughes reflects on her party's missteps: "If another Republican man says anything about rape other than it is a horrific, violent crime, I want to personally cut out his tongue. The college-age daughters of many of my friends voted for Obama because they were completely turned off by Neanderthal comments like the suggestion of 'legitimate rape.'"
Anything to add? Consider this an open thread.





Kyrsten Sinema is projected to win her Arizona Congressional race. This makes her the first openly bisexual member of Congress. I predict that the religious right will have oodles of 'fun' with her last name.
Yeah. They're so childish in that regard. Romnesia, Robme, ect... No wait, that was the left. Maybe they're childish as well...
How bout' "Stop Sinema love, before you break my heart!" That's all I got.....
Wow, very cool. My brother and sister in law in So. Cal. had quite a bit to do with helping get Mark Takano elected. They work very hard down there to get more Democrats elected.
I'm just curious to know whether Rachel will be doing the show tonight or if we should expect a guest host. Depends on whether I DVR HER or something else. :)
"...The college-age daughters of many of my friends voted for Obama because they were completely turned off by Neanderthal comments like the suggestion of 'legitimate rape.'"..."
But the comments were made by Neanderthals which are dominating the republican party. It's not just the comments...it's the people, stupid. Ignorant extremists have taken control of your party...so stupid comments will always follow.
Yea, the Republicans can't figure out it's their policies and core beliefs that are the problem. They think they can sell ANYTHING to the American Public just as long as they "market" it right!
Wasn't Karen Hughes the creater of the "talking points"? No Republican candidate or surrogate under her watch was allowed to say what they thought or answer questions directly - they were only allowed to parrot the "talking points"!!
Karen Hughes . . . talk about throwing stones from a glass house. Ugh!
Now these same louts are petitioning to succede for the US.
http://www.examiner.com/article/citizens-four-more-states-file-petitions-to-secede-from-united-states
http://rt.com/usa/news/us-secede-petition-government-540/
Alabama, Arkansas, Colorado, Georgia, Indiana, Kentucky, Louisiana,
Michigan, Mississippi, Missouri, Montana, New Jersey, New York, North Carolina,
North Dakota, Oregon, South Carolina, Tennessee, and Texas.
Don't know where you got your info but OR has NEVER even talked about succeding. We have never ask for or signed any petitions. ALL petitions for such must originate from The Governors office. We happen to have a smart one.
While the State of Oregon has never petitioned to leave the Union, the southernmost counties of Oregon (along with the northernmost counties of California) did try to organize the State of Jefferson in 1941 and did threaten to leave the Union if not recognized.
It may just be poor phrasing - but it sure sounds like the issue Karen Hughes has is that the Neanderthals around her are saying misogynistic things, not that they are holding misogynistic views.
She should welcome them saying crap like that, because if they are going to think it and act on it, people around them need to be very clear on it.
She seems to be perfectly fine with them believing the most reprehensible things about women as long as they don't speak up and cost the party votes.
And that mindset is the cancer at the heart of the Republican party.
I love Karen Hughes, but I can think of a more important body for her to Bobbitize! I am a little tired of these people standing up for equality, after the election is over........
So CIA Director Petraeus, with the highest security clearance, responsible for gathering intelligence by sophisticated means including signals intercept, and keeping the nation's secrets, gets busted because he put sensitive and self-incriminating info in email messages.
Even if we don't care what he does with his private life, we should care about how little he understands about secret information and other basic principles of his job.
How about this, The FBI & CIA, the two most advanced intelligence organizations in the country, failed in their background checks to find out he was "All In" his biographers STUFF.. Seriously?????
I feel much safer now.
And former Bush adviser Karen Hughes reflects on her party's missteps:
"The college-age daughters of many of my friends voted for Obama because they were completely turned off by Neanderthal comments like the suggestion of 'legitimate rape.'"
Um, Karen, Ditch the TeaVangelicals. That'd be a start.
It's a shame that on veterans weekend the Gen. Petraeus story gets far more coverage than Veteran’s stories. It's understandable that this is a scandal and an important one that deserves coverage particularly because it involves the head of the CIA and a well-known general. However, there is no reason, on this weekend in particular, it should get more coverage than Veterans. They are both timely, but quite frankly in regards to the country as a whole, the lives and issues of our Veterans is a far more relevant story. Even if most news outlets decide that the Gen. Petraeus story deserves to be first in the lineup there is no reason they can't give equal time to Veterans in the very next story. Unfortunately, it's especially frustrating for everyone in the military to watch all of the coverage regarding Gen. Petraeus’s dishonor on a weekend when our central focus should be entirely on honoring the men and women who serve us every day. Like I said, this is a story that definitely deserves coverage but it should be balanced with equal interest in reporting on the lives of those who serve us and how we can better serve them.
http://disappearingromney.com/
This would be an interesting addition.
if no one has seen this its interesting.
http://crooksandliars.com/karoli/petraeus-rove-and-paula-broadwell-i-smell-r
the dots seem to disappear only to reappear for connecting purposes.
Smell a big fat, hairless, republican rat?
RE: Luntz on pollsters: He said, "... This is a bad day for establishment pollsters and it's something that they should be held accountable for." Uhmmm... No! It was a bad day for wacky, right-wing-nut pollsters. Establishment pollsters got it right, thank you very much.
I hope Republicans like Karen Hughes keep believing that all they have to do is adjust their message and tone, because the only way to actually reach a center left country, is by making an actual left turn. The old adage of hate the sin, not the sinner, will change nothing, no matter how compassionate you try and make it sound.
It doesn't matter how many ways you frame it or say it, if you're not giving women the freedom to make their own health care decisions, you're not getting more support from them or the men who support them. No matter how many times you put Marco Rubio out there, if Republicans don't move their immigration policies to the left, they won't move any Latino support their way. Republicans who continue to insist the government should control who we love, will continue to find no love. Republicans are still broadly speaking about how the President's reelection shows this country is made up of people who want handouts. Even if you end this blatantly obvious disrespectful distortion of reality, Republicans will continue to lose support until they embrace the fact that all of us need help at some point and the more help there is, the stronger all of us are.
If you don't actually move away from rejected right wing policies, no matter how you say it, if you're only saying it, you won't find anyone listening.
Veterans in Oregon can tap into a the Returning Veterans Project http://www.returningveterans.org/. This is remarkable program where many, many volunteers provide FREE services to returning vets. Includes mental health professionals, acupuncturists, naturopaths, chiropractors, massage therapists who donate their time to veterans and their families in Oregon and southwest Washington.
Every community should have something similar.
what's up with these "job creators" saying they're going to have to cut jobs because of obamacare? do they really have any financial basis for these claims or are they just greedy sore losers?
I thought they were all greedy no-goods. Donna, you seem to disagree with that premise.
Rusty, if you're going to go counter-point on this site, could you cease the patronizing and enter in with some good debate?
We've got T-fenders who just come on to score a few points for the GOP. It would be great to encounter a thinking conservative with whom to have a good political discussion. Which are you?
Respectfully...
Rusty has never wanted to debate or discuss. He's here for the reason most right wingers are here. And that's not a discussion. He's never even posted a fact.
Larry, I've posted lots of solutions over the years on here. What I see from you is usually something of zero substance. I enjoy reading what you write because it shows an extreme lack of thought.
Coffee, what I find humorous is that liberals would paint corporations an businesses as doing anything to increase a profit, greedy, etc. now, Donna somehow has thought that a business based upon greed will greedily give up profits?
So let's discuss solutions. What's your first topic?
Larry is GREAT at sticking his tongue out all the while having his fingers in his ears. An old Liberal trick.
Scott, I'd give Larry more credit if I could recall just one time where he brought something to the discussion other than talking points and "GOP bad, democrats good" to the discussion.
Who would fill Senator Kerry's seat if he were to be appointed Secretary of Defense (or State)? See http://www.tomconroy.org/
It may take a while. The Senate GOP have already said they will block any Obama appointees. How's that for working for the country?
Both Cenkc Uygur and Daily Kos had stories today about how Obama and Boehner struck a deal in 2011 to get a budget. It is supposedly "bad, really bad" for the American people. I'm concerned Obama won't play hardball with them even though he got a mandate from voters. Anything you can suggest or say to calm me down?
The one thing Uygur and Daily Kos don't mention is the fact that everyone knew that the grand bargain was dead on arrival. Everyone knew that Boehner couldn't deliver house republicans. There was no question that whatever Obama brought to the table, house republicans would reject.
What mandate? The House is firmly in Conservative hands and the popular vote was not exactly a blowout....What mandate?
It's good to see we have the results from Florida since the election was last week. I could understand if it was a re-count but a first count? People waiting for hours? Rick Scott is an incompetent governor in administering elections. First the purge of voters which had legal voters due to be purged not even mentioning the fact the state had already missed its deadline to conduct such an activity now this?
But in fact I'll take some of that back Scott isn't incompetent, no this was the plan. The plan was to have people wait for hours so they would give up and thus shrink the electorate which has a positive effect for the GOP. The same party Scott is from, what a coincidence. The only hitch in the plan was that people stayed in line. They gotta get rid of that guy......
Still not through counting in AZ. Wonder why??????
So...WHY did this administration attempt to hide the voting rolls from the State of Fla?
Except that they didn't, facts matter outside the bubble.
Really? Is that why the State of Florida had to sue this administration for them? Lies and ignorance matter even "outside the bubble" Doofus.
Scott
It wasn't voter rolls Florida tried (and failed) to sue the Federal government over it was immigration database from the. DHS. The DOJ sued over the whole voter purge as it violated the Voting Rights Act
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/13/us/justice-department-sues-florida-over-voter-purge.html?_r=0
Do better research next time.
Scott your first name wouldn't happen to be Ric would it?
or last being walker
I think your assessment of why the Director General of the BBC resigned is somewhat over simplified. His resignation followed several errors that began with the suppression of a story revealing the sex-abuse scandal and then continued to implied accusation of a former conservative MP, in the wake of which, he resigned.
I worry that the statement on this blog doesn't accurately portray the most recent and most accurate circumstances of his departure.
Aside from that much love to the whole team, I hope you and your fellow citizens are safe and recovering after Sandy.
Oh, and your election coverage was superb!
I understand that 4 people died in Benghazi and that General Petraeus was the leader of the CIA...but...anyone working in the Middle East takes a chance, thousands are dying in nearly every country in the Middle East. Also Petraeus was caught with his pants down, 'nuff said.
My point is I don't see hearings being called to help people find jobs, or get their homes from foreclosure, or helping veterans find employment or helping people up and down the Eastern seaboard to rebuild homes destroyed by the storm. The Benghazi and Petraeus affairs are being looked into by the appropriate arms of government but NO ONE is looking into the poverty so many people have slipped into, no one seems to worry that our schools need books and computers not inane tests and teacher bashing, that our weather will continue to produce super-storms and droughts without major restraints on our part.
This country sees a new diversion every day to keep us from confronting the important problems we face. Until we grow a pair and confront these problems head on...and FORCE our leaders to confront these problems we'll just keep on looking for and finding shiny new scandals, masquerading as news, we can spend months wasting our time on.
Were ANY of these attacks investigated with such fervor as Benghazi ?
Seven U.S. Embassies & Consulates Were Attacked Under George W. Bush
Not one. If they were, nobody heard about any investgations.
But then again...How many pleas for help had those ambassadors written for and been summarily denied?And did Bush tell the American people that an anti Muslim You tube video was to blame for the "spontaneous protests" and of course the Sodomizing and dragging of our personnel through the streets?
LMAO at ???
think he has really lost it now. he must be so hurt that he is totally unwilling to give up. hint:: your handlers/enablers are not going to call you back and that last check will bounce. so just keep it hand it on the wall.
you side lost!! Lies didn't work!!
That would be all well and good were ANY of it lies Sharkey...just point out the lies... and we will go from there.
I guess I'm still trying to figure out democrats. The top guy in charge gets caught with his pants down, And democrats swarm to the white house lawn to defend his right to ... Well... Do what he did. Then, they catch one sending "brief" pics and kick him out. Now this? What is their position on powerful men taking advantage of less powerful women?
Rusty
You've made one incoherent statement too many. So now you get it. You get Burns-ed. I saved this one just for you... Address to a Haggis
Fair fa' your honest, sonsie face,
Great chieftain o the puddin'-race!
Aboon them a' ye tak your place,
Painch, tripe, or thairm:
Weel are ye worthy o' a grace
As lang's my arm.
The groaning trencher there ye fill,
Your hurdies like a distant hill,
Your pin wad help to mend a mill
In time o need,
While thro your pores the dews distil
Like amber bead.
His knife see rustic Labour dight,
An cut you up wi ready slight,
Trenching your gushing entrails bright,
Like onie ditch;
And then, O what a glorious sight,
Warm-reekin, rich!
Then, horn for horn, they stretch an strive:
Deil tak the hindmost, on they drive,
Till a' their weel-swall'd kytes belyve
Are bent like drums;
The auld Guidman, maist like to rive,
'Bethankit' hums.
Is there that owre his French ragout,
Or olio that wad staw a sow,
Or fricassee wad mak her spew
Wi perfect scunner,
Looks down wi sneering, scornfu view
On sic a dinner?
Poor devil! see him owre his trash,
As feckless as a wither'd rash,
His spindle shank a guid whip-lash,
His nieve a nit;
Thro bloody flood or field to dash,
O how unfit!
But mark the Rustic, haggis-fed,
The trembling earth resounds his tread,
Clap in his walie nieve a blade,
He'll make it whissle;
An legs an arms, an heads will sned,
Like taps o thrissle.
Ye Pow'rs, wha mak mankind your care,
And dish them out their bill o fare,
Auld Scotland wants nae skinking ware
That jaups in luggies:
But, if ye wish her gratefu prayer,
Gie her a Haggis
Well, if incoherent statements are what you are looking for, you sure pasted one. Sorry, didn't bother to read beyond line 2.
Obviously you're not a fan of Robert Burns and the Scots language. ;-) But still Address to a Haggis is more coherent to me than many of your posts Rusty. Just saying.
Maria- it is a normal response to attack when you can't defend an internal inconsistency. I understand your position. Clinton has went from that guy that democrats really didn't much support 4 years ago, to rock star status now.
PROOF: GOP Party Bosses Rigging Elections For Romney
2012/10/27 ….. By Nathaniel Downes
Internet has been abuzz since British website UK Progressive released a report on how a retired NSA Analyst Michael Duniho had gone over Arizona GOP Primary Results from earlier this year & discovered widespread GOP election fraud through what can be called an Electronic Fingerprint. He found that when you break down primary results in to their component precincts, & then compare % of each candidate & how much they gained per precinct, a pattern appeared:
Graph: Retired NSA Analyst Michael Duniho’s analysis, as reported by Denis G. Campbell & Charley James in UK Progressive
http://www.addictinginfo.org/2012/10/27/gop-rigging-elections-for-romney/
Larger district, larger Mitt Romney’s %, in a smooth line.
This is statistically improbable to occur even in One Election. What he discovered is that this is not a One Time Fluke at all. Instead, he found Tell-Tale Signature of Electronic Manipulation.
He took this data, & compared it to other Arizona elections. He found same signature, signaling a shifting of votes away from Multiple Candidates & towards One Particular Candidate, a Republican Candidate, or in this case, Republican leadership’s preferred candidate. Using this model, & comparing it, you find this same pattern happening in other elections. In this paper from Francois Choquette & James Johnson, they find same patterns in other races, such as Special Election to replace former Congresswoman Gabby Giffords:
Check article & Graphs on website:
http://www.addictinginfo.org/2012/10/27/gop-rigging-elections-for-romney/
And I bet if you play it at 78 rpm backwards, it gets really weird...
Nov 8 2012
The Complete Guide Of What's To Blame For Our Debt Problem.
Brought To You By Math
Alvin Melathe
You've no doubt seen your fair share of apocalyptic hand-wringing about the U.S. national debt.
What you probably haven’t heard is an actual explanation of how we got here that assigns blame based on math and not the usual partisan verbal diarrhea.
{{gotta watch this video!!}}}
http://www.upworthy.com/the-complete-guide-of-what-to-blame-for-our-debt-problem-brought-to-you-by-math?g=2
Concerning voter fraud, voter suppression, and long lines at the polls....
Here in Oregon we vote by mail. Every registered voter is sent a ballot two weeks before election day, and we can either mail it back or drop it off at one of several drop boxes - the ballot just has to arrive by election day.
No lines at the polls, for there are no polls, and all ballots are sent back in an envelope that is signed by the voter. If the signature does not match the voter's registration papers the voter is called into the clerk's office to verify the ballot. Once verified, the ballots are removed from the envelopes and the envelopes are discarded. The anonymous ballots are then tabulated.
Sure, there is a chance a few votes may be bought, for these are absentee ballots and that risk is always present with absentee ballots. But how many people cannot take 5-8 hours off to vote on a Tuesday? Is it right to prevent tens of thousands from voting to crack down on the potential for a few dozen bought votes?
Oregon has clean elections and voter turnout well above the national average -- why are the rest of you still standing in lines on election day?
Washington votes by absentee default as well, it's fantastic.
people aren't burying the lead a bit when they ignore that the mistress made 'wild claims' that 9/11 benghazi attack was an effort to free libyan detainees being held by the CIA that would directly ignore a executive order?
that she had in her possession classified information, which was found not to be sourced from the petraeus? I would like to know that we don't have some kind of massive security leak that isn't petraeus though.
and it's comforting that it doesn't incriminate petraeus, but i'm sorta uncomfortable having any classified information in the possession of a crazy person, which her being some kind of crazy jealous mistress seems to indicate.
also, I understand this getting passed up to the FBI big desk... something to do with coercion and spies. apparently, when you hold a lot of power, you don't get as much leeway in terms of personal indiscretion or privacy, and i'm fine with that, it somehow reminds me of caesar's spouse... especially when you can say "director" and "blackmail" in the same phrase.
Does Karen Hughes actually mean that they should stop talking about abortion? Because that's what leads to talking about making rape victims have their rapists babies.
I recently read an observation from someone who sounds "inside" regarding Obama's second term, potential goals, and the missing solution to the Mid East Conflict between Israel and the Palestinians. Here is an excerpt of that piece:
"Obama is the first U.S. president to declare the settlements illegal and even he refused to back a UN resolution condemning the settlements that essentially mirrored his own policy toward the settlements. Yes, a resolution to the conflict is a national security interest of the U.S. and the world. However, "reality" appears much different to the Obama administration today than it did at the start of Obama's presidency.
With all the changes in the Middle East (Arab Spring, Iran's nuclear progress, etc) and Asia (China's growing assertiveness, etc), not to mention Obama's personal preference to tackle domestic issues rather than foreign policy, Israel-Palestine is probably not nearly as high on Obama's priority list as it was at the start of his presidency.
As much as I would like to believe Obama will invest the great energy needed to push for a resolution of the conflict, unless he sees a true opening I don't think he will. A true opening might be along the lines of a centrist or left-leaning coalition being formed in Israel after the elections and/or the neutralization of the Iranian threat (whether via negotiation or militarily). Both of those scenarios seem unlikely."
To that sorry "kick-the-can-down-the-road" suggestion, I would like to reply:
It's a damn good thing that FDR didn't wait for Nazi Germany to elect a kinder, gentler, more-progressive government before acting. He knew time was of the essence, ethnic cleansing and genocide were on the table, and waiting would be a death sentence for thousands, if not hunderds of thousands of people.
Likewise, if Obama waits for Israel to elect a kinder, gentler, more-progressive government, he may KILL the very last opportunity for a two state solution. We cannot allow him to do that.
The election is out of the way. Nothing worth doing can be attained without risk of failure. The true test of a leader is that he TRIES, TRIES, and TRIES again, -not that he aims low and attains nothing with success. Seriously, what is it going to take to make Obama move on this? Like today?
Just for historical accuracy's sake, let's remember that Nazi Germany declared war on the U.S., so FDR didn't really have much choice on "waiting for Nazi Germany to elect a kinder, gentler, more-progressive government before acting." Just a nitpick.
Actually FDR was acting WELL BEFORE the declaration of war. It was called the Lend-Lease program. If FDR had waited until Germany declared war on the USA, the outcome of the war might very well have been different. There might be no Britain or France today.
Likewise, IF Obama delays and refuses to act now, there may never be a two state solution to the Mid East Conflict and Israel's 40+ year occupation of territory intended for a Palestinian state. If Obama represents the people and the interests of the United States and all the peace agreements presided over by former US presidents, then he must act now.
You left out information. Israel fired once at the Syrians only after 3 times that mortars landed in Israel. They also did not aim at the Syrian soldiers because it was meat to send a message and apparently message recieved. Also, if discussing the middle east how do yu leave out that last count was 120 rockets fired from Gaza on Israeli civilians in southern Israel?!
I will account for the rockets. Here is my take. While they do pose real risk to individuals, they pose no significant threat to the security of the state of Israel. OTOH, what they do seem to provide for Israel is a political pretext for implementing strategic plans that Israel wishes to pursue. There's a reason these attacks seem to ramp up AFTER the Knesset calls for elections. It drives the electorate to the right, which serves Netanyahu and Lieberman's agenda.
My original comment above was not intended to address the civil war in Syria nor errant shells which may land in what is currently Israeli territory. However, I will add it is no coincidence that governments of Arab states in the region surrounding Israel have all been toppled in what has been called the Arab spring. My opinion is the USA and Israel are both involved in these events. My fear is that Israel intends to create "Arab democracies" in those states where Palestinian refugees might find refuge after Israel drives them out of occupied territory.
IF this happens, it would be a war crime with a scope on par with Hitler's Final Solution. I pray that Obama is not complicit in such a plan, but I worry because I have witnessed his actions at the UN, which seem to fit this agenda. Specifically, Obama's veto of a Security Council resolution condemning unilateral Israeli Settlement construction in occupied territory CONTRAVENED both the Road Map Agreement and Obama's stated position on the issue. That resolution mirrored Obama's previous statements on Settlement construction, and he vetoed his own words. WHY would he do that?