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Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer hosted a meeting of the Western Governors Association over the weekend, where she was scheduled to deliver a speech on energy policy. Beforehand, the governor chatted with local TV station KTVK, which asked whether Brewer believes in climate change.
"Everybody has an opinion on it, you know, and I, you know, I probably don't believe that it's man made," she said. "I believe that, you know, that weather elements are controlled maybe by different things."
Once the interview was over, Brewer asked the local reporter, "Where in the hell did that come from?"
Of course. Because nothing's more outlandish than asking a governor about climate change before a speech on energy policy.
And how did the speech go? Not well.
Although she was introduced as a political rock star Saturday, Gov. Jan Brewer wasn't a very big draw.
The Western Governors' Association held its annual winter meeting in Paradise Valley. But of the 19 governors in the group, only two showed up to see Brewer deliver a brief keynote speech. [...]
Colorado Gov. John Hickenlooper (D) and Utah Gov. Gary Herbert (R) were the two governors who attended the meeting. They are the current vice chairman and chairman of the organization.
Brewer spoke for a grand total of three minutes before leaving the stage.
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Brewer spoke for " a grand total of three minutes". During which time she told the audience everything she knew. Twice.
Brilliant!
LOL !!!! Yep !!!
DAy-3905329....You said a lot in a little. You would be very welcome at the Alqonquin's Round Table. ;-)
@justin-341935:
"If all the girls at the Yale-Harvard Game were laid end to end, I wouldn't be surprised."
-Dorothy Parker.
Climate change? What the heck does climate change have to do with energy policy?
America! Where you can be as dumb as a bush and still get elected into public office--heck even the presidency(see Bush,G.W.)
By the way the creationists love to call evolution a theory still. They then try to call their OPINION a theory also. This seems to work on uneducated superstitious people and we do seem to have quite a few of them.
Hey, don't put down the intelligence of bushes (with a lower-case "b"):
http://www.wired.com/science/discoveries/news/2007/10/veggie_intelligence
Technically evolution, by the scientific definition of theory is still a theory. However the Christians saying creationism is a theory doesn't meet the criteria for the scientific definition, which is, put simply, while it can't be proven to a 100% certainty the preponderance points towards it being true. Creationisdm doesn't even meet the standard for a hypothesis
Sad, I know.
I would just state that the latest in genetic research seems to have raised Evolution above a mere theory. However I also realize the reluctance on the part of Science to state with confidence that it is a fact. Still though as you said Creationists have no theory or hypotheses to back their belief. Thus it has no place in science or education other than alongside Greek mythology and the like.
Biological evolution is a fact; the theory of special evolution over time that might then be classified as a new species is a theory.
No one disputes the fact that their pet dog or cat exists, that cows exist, or that corn exists. No one disputes the fact that you have to get an annual flu shot every year. These are all forms of biological evolution and they are facts. But yes the idea of the special evolution over long periods into what might be classified as a new species- that concept is still scientific theory because we cannot possibly test for it (whereas we can with the flu vaccine and with dog generations).
I hearken back to my high school anatomy class and the Coccyx or tailbone which can only be explained in humans as being a remnant of his former condition as an ape like creature. I add in the appendix which served as a detoxifier when we were again ape like and eating shoots and leaves. Then I also add in the fact that our genome is remarkably similar to a chimps with far to much similarity to be a matter of mere coincidence.
Of course if you want to accept the ofologists idea that we were genetically engineered by aliens using chimps to develop us for slave labor then I will gladly hear you out.
Perhaps this will help-http://science.jrank.org/pages/2609/Evolution-Divergent.html
Ahhh thank you- Divergent evolution! That's the name I couldn't think of. There's biological evolution (fact) and divergent evolution (theory). That's what I was trying to say. It's both a fact and a theory depending on what kind of evolution you're talking about.
So the dinosaurs found in China with feather-like appendages?
I take it you read the article? I ain't no scientist so I won't push the issue beyond my ability.
Just finished Maddow's book. Apparently two members of the Senate [Intelligence? -- no longer have the book] Committee were highly disturbed upon being apprised of certain domestic surveillance activities of which they could say nothing, other than being very disturbed by them. How helpful. Makes me wonder what the CIA could be up to now involving American citizens. New 'energy policy'? heh, heh ... or "divergent evolution"? Hmm. Mental 'climate change'? (Just where oh where can we take the human mind?!)
**Anyone been feeling, sensing, perceiving, believing, speaking (seeing?) things atypical of their nature? Just curious.
If you're talking to me Paul then you wildly misunderstood my posts. Like airplane flying over you head wildly misunderstood my posts, man.
... if anyone has been, btw, a few imperatives to consider before considering prescription drugs (or otherwise!): Lift weights. !!! !! !!! To muscular exhaustion. **This should help tremendously, and improvement in energy, clarity and motivation will likely be noticeable in one workout. Stretch. Run/do aerobic activity. Strenuous, preferably. Get bodywork or do it yourself (thestick.com, my favorite). Stay away from sugars and starches, the regular culprits, and GM foods (just about in every processed food), toxic foods, etc. *Think "Farmer's Market." It's good for the local economy, anyway.
Essentially, do what you should be doing anyway, in consultation with your medical provider, naturally. The nature of this, uh, 'dynamic' just makes the importance higher. Think "clean and lean" in everything, and this should help improve clarity and motivation.
*Case study, or anecdote, really: I was talking with a guy about fitness and health or something at a complex I had moved into (okay, a transitional place for homeless veterans), and he mentioned his legs not cooperating with his mind. I'm like, "Really, now? And when did you start noticing this?!" He basically said since he had been at this place. "How interesting! Because I've noticed the same thing with my legs! (since I had moved in, too!!)" (And excercising to me is like breathing, no kidding. I have a very strong baseline for energy, vitality, optimism and physical activity). I commented how I felt uncoordinated when I ran, like something was turning my foot in and under and messing with my legs. My mind and body were not in sync. It was a challenge to run in the way I knew I was capable. He said how it must be his age (older guy, so makes sense) and how he was thinking of seeing the doctor for medication, possibly. I advised him to reconsider. I suggested as rationally and scientifically as possible that, as the universe is 99% (or 96%, depending on the source) invisible to us -- and if you don't necessarily like everything you see with your own two eyes, well imagine, then, what could be out there that's not nice that we don't see. Given that, I advised him to consider, too, that perhaps he should not accept that something was wrong with him, that possibly the suggestion was external; instead, try seeing in his mind his legs working like he was accustomed. He got back to me and said that worked. He seemed pretty pleased about that. Not that I discouraged him from seeking medical attention, but instead to consider another option before ingesting more pills.
**Let me just say, I'm not liking what I'm experiencing at this place at all. I just had a conversation with a guy who has begun taking high blood pressure medication since he's been there (never had before, he says). We shared similar insights, almost like some sociological experimentation was going on, or something. We both mentioned this guy (who's supposedly a preacher, or something on his own time) who we're subjected to listening to morning after morning who shares seemingly motivational tidbits but with the net subtle effect of being dictatorial. I refuse to look at or listen to this man any longer, and most of the staff, frankly. That's how manipulated and demoralized I feel around this person/these people. I'll just be candid and say that mental entrainment and God knows what else is going on there, and it ain't friendly or life supportive. **Almost like a parent-child archetypal dynamic, if not a vampiric archetype as well. And if you don't play the child role well with your 'parental' overlords, heh, heh .... Let's just say you get drug tested a lot, regardless of your history. (Hey, this ain't a drug program, and I refuse. I have no history, thanks very much. Shove it.)
Very weird sh*t. And definitely a barrier to independence. Hmm.
Well, Arizona, you get what you vote for! -Kevo
I call it Airheadzone-a.
Because, you know, what does climate change have to do with burning fuel?
I love the fact that her audience consisted of the two governors who had to be there.
It was a bigger audience than she deserve. I wonder if the other Governors were maybe trying to tell her something...
I doubt they cared. There's reasons for holding a meeting in AZ in winter, and it isn't Jan Brewer, it's knocking a few balls around out on the green.
Not winter yet, NMC. We've still got the cooler on here.
Sorry, D. C., meant winter elsewhere where the greens are now brown and white.
If the greens are now brown and white, that means half the greens are wanted for questioning in Arizona.
It's funny reading other's impressions of what Winter 'should' look like. Here in the SF Bay Area's mediterranean climate, the hills don't get green until the late Fall rains start. It's brown from late April until November. We call it Fire Season.
You know, I've mentioned a few times in this forum that my favorite author is Richard Mitchell, aka The Underground Grammarian. He was a professor at Glassboro State University in NJ, a teacher's college, and he noticed that many in the faculty and administration were sorely deficient in their ability to communicate, and many of the errors were in simple grammar. So he decided that their poor grasp of grammar may not be a fire-able offense, but perhaps he could embarrass them enough so that they'd go away on their own. (Self-deport?) He started a monthly newsletter called The Underground Grammarian that highlighted the silly incompetence in language by his fellow faculty members--which was particularly egregious in their line of work. After all, they were teachers of teachers, who really ought to know when subject and verb didn't agree. It grew into something bigger, but that's another story.
I say all this because maybe it's possible to make all the silly Tea Partiers go away if they're sufficiently embarrassed? Well, it's worth a try. . . .
" sufficiently embarrassed?"
Since there is NO historical evidence to the contrary, I suspect that it is impossible to humiliate a Tea Partier, since by their very existence they are the definition of "Laughing Stock".
Day, I call to your attention the work of Drs. Dunning and Kruger.
haven't baggers and repubs proved themselves unembarrassable?
i think so.
"...maybe it's possible to make all the silly Tea Partiers go away if they're sufficiently embarrassed?"
Sounds good, but these people don't believe in "reality" how do you think they're gonna be "embarrassed"? If they actually could feel shame they might never have joined the "tea-potty" in the first place.
With all due respect, I enjoy reading the clever comments here, just like everyone else. But if you single out the crazies one by one, shine the spotlight square on 'em, they don't have their usual "crowd cover." I think we just gave up too soon on Akin and Mourdock, although they didn't win their elections, so maybe it was enough.
Keep up the good work, MaddowBlog and all the rest of you eagle-eyed Word Warriors!
They won't even know that they should be embarrassed !!! :D
Novel idea, but for them to embarrassed they'd have to realize they're wrong. To realize they're wrong, they'd have to be open to listening to the opinion of someone they don't agree with. Hence they shall never be embarrassed
We could start by no longer calling them Tea Partiers. The real members of the Tea Party were patriots and heroes who helped to put our great country on the course to independence. Today's pretenders did nothing more than staple some tea bags to their hats.
I prefer the term 'Teabillies.' I think it more accurately reflects their heritage.
Well, I do know that R. Mitchell's technique worked in at least one instance. He pilloried the Superintendent of Schools in Tulsa, OK (my hometown, BTW) in a piece called "Nox Quondam, Nox Futura." Larry Zenke was forced out shortly after this essay was published. Hm-m-m-m-m.
BTW, you can google that essay and find it, along with all of Richard Mitchell's published works, for free on the Internet. He left that as a gift when he passed away a few years ago. Wonderful stuff.
"Sufficiently embarrassed". We are talking about the same crew who went around in tricorn hats with Lipton's best stapled to them, right?
This may be off subject, but Led Zeppelin is being honored at the Kennedy awards ceremony. Something like that, I'm not sure. Weeeeeee! Karac is a nice name for a boy. I'm still deciding.I think Jan Brewer gets nervous speaking in front of people, she may be shy. I think she needs to stop listening to all the men that surround her, politically, she's a strong woman, who needs to stand up for herself and her own beliefs. I would love to meet the real Jan Brewer.
And how utterly cool was it of Obama to comment on trashing hotel rooms, then say "Good thing the windows in this room are three inches thick!"
i don't like the way jan brewer has treated our President.
i don't think "shy" is an appropriate description of her.
she appears to be more of a "bully".
^ Yeah, and I daresay, a bee-yooch too..
Shy, this woman who stuck her finger into the face of the President of the United States?
She was auditioning for a role in a play, I think she won.
Shy?!? You're referring to the same woman who rudely wagged her finger in the face of the President of the United States, not all that long ago? Puh-leeze. I think that, and this referenced interview, are all I need to know about Jan Brewer.
Angel, I envy your naive "it's all good" take on Brewer, but as an Arizonan, I assure your that your faith is misplaced. Brewer is not a strong woman... she is a marginally functional alcoholic who is in way over her head in the Governor's office. She is just not very smart. And she isn't shy, she's just dysfunctional. She is a laughing stock in Arizona as well as in the rest of the country, and she actually thinks she is going to defy term limits and run for office again!
Sometimes, you have to leave a small opening , via how small it is doesn't matter, but if she needs a way out from all the chaos that surrounds her , there may be corruption, I don't know. But, if Jan Brewer sees an opening where there is some light, she may need an escape route. I'm affording her that. She was a woman and a human being first, before she stepped in it.
Hickenlooper came from the oil and gas industry and hasn't been particularly supportive of climate change related regulation. Perhaps sitting in an empty room waiting for that dipstick Brewer to rattle to a halt he may have some second thoughts about sharing policy stances on any level with her.
Hickenlooper had a fairly short career as a geologist that ended in the 1980s. He is a very "green" sort of governor with a solid background of energy management as mayor of Denver. The only "gas" he ever produced was as the owner of the Wyncoop Brewery, and that was fairly widely appreciated by his constituents!
Sounds about right to me. The more this woman is ignored, the better!
I don't really begrudge y'all laughing at Brewer's expense. I wish I could join you.
Trouble is, it's not quite so funny when you live in Arizona. And, worse yet, Arpaio County.
You have my condolences.
"Brewer spoke for " a grand total of three minutes"."
and two of those minutes was using her Debating skills, smile awwww, smile awww.
It was obviously time for another cocktail(s).. Another Sun-dried lush in a position of power from (wait for it!), Arid-zona, where the bible is hot but the Hasidics are not.
Looking at the accompanying photo, sun-dried is right...I've seen pitted prunes with smoother skin.
Actually (although you'd hardly know) Phoenix has a largish and very active Chasidic community. Low profile, though. Still, enough to make life better for those of us who have a passion for hamentaschen and other kosher goodies.
It's true, they are living in hell out there, and I don't just mean the weather. Just kidding, Arizona has a dry humor. How dry I am, how dry I am. They used to farm a lot of cotton in these there parts, not anymore, I don't know what happened to the cotton farms. I feel like I'm growing cotton in my mouth, it's so dry. But, very beautiful, please don't let them mine in the Grand Canyon, the 7th Wonder of the world. That would destroy the Earths' memory. We can never forget.
So that's what "dry" heat will do to your face. I won't complain about the humidity in FL any more.
D.C. I believe Trollop was using 'hot' in the sexually attractive sense. A Sunbelt Senior exodus referral.
I think she used to smoke. You've got to slather that cocoa butter all over.
"Colorado Gov. John Hickenlooper (D) and Utah Gov. Gary Herbert (R) were the two governors who attended the meeting. They are the current vice chairman and chairman of the organization."
well three of the four corner states was there. better the other two wouldn't have been there if not for having to.
Susana Martinez of NM was probably worried about getting asked for papers.
I think what I hate about her most, and I hate using that word, "hate", but professionally what I hate most is her smiling right at the camera, right at the reporter while she's explaining her thoughts.
The body language says, "please agree with me, because I have this nice, friendly smile, it's all a joke, a little misunderstanding, why can't we all just get along."
It's so false.
Jan Brewer is one of my least favorite governors however I'm in Texas where we have had Rick Perry elected for three four year terms and he finished G.W.B's term. The longest serving governor in our history and he may actually run again. Why Republicans keep reelecting him is a mystery.
Jan... just pick up your face and go home.
That is a nice leather hand bag she has there , oh sorry , that's her face ?
Not a good week for GOP rising stars. Jindal's sham education scheme was slammed by the courts.
Shorter Brewer: "I probably maybe think."
And how dare you for asking!
She's just frigging scary. *I* wouldn't have gone cause I don't want her shaking that claw-like finger in my face. *shudder*
Gov. Hickenlooper seems like such a nice man - he probably only went out of sympathy.
To think she replaced Janet Napolitano! Jan's part of what's turning AZ blue, continually pandering to the lowest common denominator of the GOP base, the basest of the base. What a ma-roooon.
Sad -- and after she (was) very visibly "rode hard" getting to the meeting, too.
The republicans just love their incompetent, racist, unqualified stooges in office, as long as they serve the top 1% by dividing the rest with fact free nonsense intended to drive fear and targeted hatred.
The southern strategy keeps morphing and won't go away.
Between her, Crazy Uncle Joe (Arpaio) and Senator Senile McCain, I'm not sure who is more embarrassing...but I live in Arizona and all three make me sick.
We sympathize with you, truly. I'm in Illinois with Gov Pat Quinn who recently cut Medicaid for seniors.
I don't know if his finger looks like a claw.....
Is Quinn a Repub? I ask because Repubs hate seniors and disabled people.
It sounds as though Jon "not a factual statement" Kyl didn't help Arizona's reputation either.
Leave my Governor alone! She's MY idiot and there are none dumber...and apparently us Arizonies are proud of that. See, AZ. loves to lead from the bottom so we compete with Miss. Ala., La., and Ark in almost all categories like poorest schools.
My question is:
How did these people like Brewer or Bachaman finished college, they should have flunked the first year? It make no sense to me that someone like Palin can said she is a college graduates, and make a statement like I can see Rusia from my window.
It is my understanding that Ms. Brewer does not have a college degree, just a radiology technician certificate from a community college. As for Ms. Bachmann, a law degree from Oral Roberts University hardly proclaims well-educated, well-rounded, well-informed. ...and Palin, how many schools did she attend before she finally accumulated enough credits for a degree? Not one of these three presents a shining example of an educated individual....not even a tarnished example!