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Whether the NRA believes its own rhetoric is unclear, but the conservative organization certainly excels in sounding the alarm.
Wayne LaPierre, the president of the National Rifle Association, says his group is prepared for an "unprecedented" fight over gun control when the 113th Congress arrives in Washington next year.
In an interview with CNN Monday, LaPierre "did not offer specific legislative examples of what he thinks is going to happen next year, but added the NRA has good sources in Washington, DC who said it is coming."
"I think it is going to come hard, I think it is going to come fast, and I think it is going to come soon," LaPierre said.
The problem, of course, is that LaPierre says this every year, and every year he's mistaken. The NRA leader was certain President Obama would wage a tireless crusade against guns after taking office in 2009, but in his first term, Obama actually expanded gun rights.
More recently, LaPierre said the fact that the president hasn't pursued gun-control policies is proof that he will pursue gun-control policies -- that rascally Obama is only lulling folks into a false sense of security.
Remember this LaPierre gem of a quote from CPAC?
"When he got elected, they concocted a scheme to stay away from the gun issue, lull gun owners to sleep and play us for fools in 2012. Well, gun owners are not fools and we are not fooled.
"We see the president's strategy crystal clear. Get re-elected and with no more elections to worry about, get busy dismantling and destroying our firearms freedom, erase the Second Amendment from the Bill of Rights and exercise it from the U.S. Constitution. That's their agenda."
No, it's really not. In the unlikely event that the president pursued "unprecedented" restrictions on firearms, Congress wouldn't pass them anyway, suggesting the NRA should win this imaginary fight without breaking a sweat.
I realize that the NRA is a membership organization, and donors usually don't grab the checkbook when a group's leader says, "Everything looks great; there are no meaningful threats to the issue we care about; but send us money anyway."
But for those concerned with reality, anyone expecting an onslaught of gun-control bills coming "hard ... fast ... and soon" is likely to be terribly disappointed.
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The bravest among a democratic people carry no guns! -Kevo
The NRA is a corporate tool of the gun lobby. All they're good for is money manipulation under the guise of patriotism.
And who wouldn't trust a guy that breaks America's immigration laws and grants a backdoor amnesty in the pursuit to win an election...or who issues an Executive privilege to conceal evidence in the death of an American Border agent? Or who wouldn't trust a guy that uses the phrase "Clinging to God,Guns and religion" and wouldn't declare a Jihad on Gun owners when not facing an election...I mean after all, it's not like anything criminal ever occurred in Chicago politics or that the guy ever "hung out" with racist Reverends or even former attempted cop killers or anything...what's NOT to trust?
I hope LaPierre is right this time. Of course, he's not because he's just another wingnut moron trying to justify his idiotic existence/salary but hey, let's give the ol' boy something to cry about for once.
@ Scott: I bet chainsaws and sawed off shotguns fascinate you; c'mon admit it.
As do people that would vote for a individual that has failed at everything he has attempted while in office as well 'tho.
I'm putting on my blue helmet and climbing into my black helicopter right now getting ready to go confiscate me some wingnut personal protection.
The shhitt's going down now, little man. I'm comin' to git ya!
I hope that the NRA gets the same return on investment in this fight as they did in the elections.
Hey Scott, send me your address. I'll be glad to come remove your guns from your cold dead hands.
Thanks for demonstrating the truth of my comment below about you losers being a bunch of scared little boys needing a pistol in your pocket to let you believe you have a "pistol" in your pocket.
What a pitiful puny little shhit-for-brains this Goob is. It's kind of funny in a way. Their testosterone levels have really taken a hit after the Dems opened up that case of whup-ass on them 11/6/12.
The only thing that has "Taken a Hit" is the American Economy...doofus.
Hahahahahaha..., he's got the Greatest Hits of Wingnuttia on auto-replay.
Hear those boots, little man? You better get ready because we're comin' to git ya. The order's been given and the shhitt's goin' down.
How do you kill a Liberal? Wait till they go to get a drink of water and then slam the Commode lid on your head.......Not Skeeeered...
My only comment is simple, If Pres. Obama was going to take Gun's away or whatever, Then WHY hasn't He? I'm a gun owner, Never belonged to the NRA, I have never been concerned, and I'm not a Repub. I'm not a nut, I have never embraced the NRA view, just enjoy Hunting.
@scott: Now I know it's chainsaws, sawed off shotguns, and commodes that fascinate you. And you have already shown it, sicko.
Probably because he comes from the killing fields of Chicago where the cries are loud for gun control. And What is to stop the guy from going after guns when not having to face the electorate again?
Oh, Little Man! Of course you're not skeeeeeerrrddd. You don't have the brains for it. Nobody's gonna miss you and your itty bitty brain and teeny weeeny pee pee when you're gone. You're of no importance but we do like to take out some of the village idiots every once in a while just to make a point to the rest of the red state white trash.
C'mon Tony....You left out Dumba**e* that voted for this failure as well...intentional, or what....
But YOU are important Disgusted.... babbling incoherently and mumbling threats on a Liberal website. C'mon over here and get a drink,buddy....you look thirsty.
Scott, done with you. Even for a troll, you crossed the line.
Oh, there's no doubt we're comin' for your guns, Little Man. No doubt, whatsoever. We're on our way. Right now. We can see you inside and you don't even realize it. But now that I've told you, you should try to figure out how.
You can not escape, Little Man. Your time is almost over.
Remember people, right wing whackos like Scotty poo are always wrong, all the time. They have been on the wrong side of history throughout history. So, find solace in the fact that everything this fringe lunatic predicts will turn out diametrically opposite.
Now, as for the Scottster himself:
I envision a young southern guy, probably from Arkansas or Mississippi, a silver spoon daddy's boy type, most likely a college republican frat boy, probably a Kappa Alpha or something, that has a gigantic pickup truck (compensation anyone), with a rebel flag and those 'truck nuts' hanging off the hitch, and the obligatory "NOBAMA" sticker on the back windshield, paired with an NRA and a God, Guns, and Guts decal.
He thinks Bud Light is the best beer ever made, subsists on Dairy Queen deep fried goodness and McDonald's dollar menu cheeseburgers. He listens to Rush everyday, and watches O'Reilly and Hannity at night, almost in a reverent, religious way. He's Probably never been beyond his county line, most likely has f*cked a farm animal of some sort in the not so distant past, and whacks off to images of his cousin who lives in the trailer just down the dirt road, near the fishin' hole.
But hey, I could be wrong.
Scott,
How would slamming your own head with the lid of a commode kill a liberal? Were you hiding your head there? Yes, I knew what you meant despite your feeble sentence structure. Just because you don't trust the President doesn't mean you have any thing to fear over your precious gun rights. You do realize that he can't just abolish the 2nd amendment, and as Mr. Benen pointed out, any gun control legislation recommended by Obama wouldn't be passed by Congress? And no, he's not going to push some executive order to take away your guns. There are far bigger fish to fry. LaPierre is just trying to justify the claims made in the NRAs election ads.
Oh, noooooooo, fellas. You haven't heard? Obummer has given the order. This is the end of FREEDOM. No more LIBERTY! And that's just the way we like it.
The debate here focused on WHY anybody would worry about this guy going for the guns. i just provided the counterpoint. To somehow claim this is how I feel personally is just an assumption on your part. There are people on your side who do not really understand WHY the second Amendment is on the books and the underlying reasons for it. I go for reasoned debate and will be as courteous to you as you are to me. I don't particularly like this guy and have stated very valid reasons as to why. This guy picked a fight with the gun lobby with his God,Guns and religion remarks and has to pay a price for the insult. And I'm not a part of the NRA though i believe in their mission. And his remarks insulted the religious as well as the gun lobby, how could somebody that smart not intentionally pick that fight and not KNOW what he was inviting?
The long memory of a dumba$$ taking a statement to ridiculous levels. Hey, it just so happens Obama was right.
Don't worry, Little Man; we're going to fix you up so you're perfectly happy. You knew this day was coming. Now it's here. It won't hurt a bit. (I hope.)
(2nd Amendment "on the books." Hahahahaha...)
When you say "We"...I'm guessing you are talking about YOU and the Excrement in your pocket. At least I'll know it's you by the "L" tattooed on your forehead....
We'll make it as pleasant as possible, Little Man.
You will no longer be concerned with the stinging defeats of the last month. You will no longer feel the need to lash out randomly and impotently at complete strangers. Complete strangers will still laugh at you uncontrollably but you will no longer care.
I really never cared about you to begin with.....sorry .
You will need to make more progress than that. When our pleasant procedure has been completed you will care about nothing.
Gone will be the pain of your realization of your irrelevance.
Why is the Second Amendment on the books? Because it was written at a time when the United States did not have a standing army. The Founding Fathers had a healthy fear of have a large group of armed men as part of the government. They feared that either the military could stage a coup and destroy the young democracy, or that the government would use the military against its people. The Second Amendment allowed the government to have a force available to be called upon if needed, and specifically states that it is for the purpose of a well-regulated militia. That was NOT supposed to be so every person could load themselves up with lots of guns and ammo and blast their neighbor to hell and back if they got mad at them. The gun lobby still hangs on to the ludicrous notion that allowing everyone to have guns will keep the government from stepping out of line. Let's see how well a couple dozen yahoos with shotguns and pipe bombs do against a Predator drone, an AH-64, a couple of M1A1s, or a group of Navy Seals. They'd be dead before it even had time to register on their tiny minds. Those who cling to their guns for anything other than hunting or target shooting are delusional, pretending that having a few guns makes them a "real man". All it makes you is someone who is afraid to admit how scared they are of the world and the people around them, and thinks that as long as they have a gun, they are in control. Sorry, but if you can't even control your own paranoid fears, you don't stand a chance of controlling anyone else. The NRA feeds off of suckers like you.
You're wasting your time.
More likely grows because of incompetents such as yourself. If there come a time something that egregious happened...think it's going to be "one or two with a shotgun"?You are ignorant beyond words. IF something as terrible as insurrection ever broke out...it is highly doubtful it would start at Goobers store,genius...much less be contained there.
After the completely pleasant procedure we will provide to you, you will also not care that the permanent testosterone level drop you experienced after the drubbing the superior Democrats visited upon your intellectually inferior Republicans on 11/6/12 has affected your deteriorating physique the way it has.
The procedure will have no physical pain that you will remember.
Yeah, I know how fact-averse those righties are. History, context and reality are all foreign concepts to them. Maybe they should talk to Al Qaeda to see how much good having RPGs, assault weapons and plastic explosives has done for Bin Laden and his buddies when the Predators got through with them.
The conservative brain is the same the world over. Our wingnuts can't see it, but they are the same people as the foreigners they hate.
" Our wingnuts can't see it, but they are the same people as the foreigners they hate."
Totally agree with you. It just continuously amazes me that they don't see that in themselves.
And America sees the left as basically spineless leeches...but then again, they don't see it in themselves.
The spineless leech beat the Republican. Hahahahahahaha...
Meanwhile, we will be making Little Man's transition into irrelevance much more pleasant for him with our painless procedure.
As Hussein has made his Presidency as forgettable as his clone Jimmuh Carter.
Hahahahahahaha..., that ACA sure has left your teeny weeny pee pee permanently disabled hasn't it?
LOSER.
The gun nuts really are morons. There's a hobby site I go to that seems to attract a good share of them, and over in the "off-topic" area they go masturbate each other over their guns. They're failures at life, walking around scared to death of everyone, so having a pistol in their pocket makes them feel like they have a "pistol" in their pocket.
And the NRA plays them like a harp: "They're coming to take you away - ho ho! They're coming to take you away - ho ho! Give us more money and we'll save you!"
And the morons always give.
banjo,, plays them like a banjo...
It's not only the NRA but the gun manufactures too. Got a find a way for people to buy more guns. The easiest way is just to scare them. It works like a charm.
Put a power mad Socialist in charge...they will fly off the shelves.
Now Little Man exposes his ignorance of what Socialism is. Hahahahahaha...
These Fox-educated ignoramuses are hilarious.
the harp isn't THAT easy to play.......
Would that President Obama urge legislators to regulate the sale of "22 round guns/assault rifles/etc.! Sorry NRA you cannot convince me that "hunting" with an assault rifle is part of "your right"! Wayne LaPierre another whiny, bratty over-indulged and entitled guy mouthing off, you're on the wrong side dude! And don't get me wrong, I believe in the "right to bear arms" - it just doesn't extend to "arms" meant for the battle field!
When I was college a friend of mine from New Zealand used to talk about hunting there. Since the hunting areas (you were assigned a section or so) were roadless and you packed in, you carried your bolt-action rifle loaded with about 6 bullets, anything extra was just excess weight; he also said that if one needed more than that you were a lousy shot. You also got to pack out what you shot. These fellows who think that they need anything other than a bolt-action rifle for hunting are really lousy shots and need to spend their time at a practice range.
WHERE did the Founding Fathers intend for those weapons to be used....against an overly abusive Government. NOT to "hunt Deer". you DO realize that....don't you? Why should the populace be overwhelmingly outgunned by a repressive Government? THAT really is the underlying reason and intent of the Founding Fathers.
I see little Scotty has dedicated himself today to demonstrating what losers gun nuts are. What kind of a dead-end job do you have, little Scotty boy? How scared are you of all the "others" getting ahead of you in life? Is your wee-wee really that small?
Scott, you do realize the Founding Fathers had muskets? not 21st century assault weapons. And, Scott, until you own a nuke, you are outgunned. D.A.!
Actually, there's some pretty credible evidence that the Founders never intended you to have guns, but rather wanted to make sure that the police could, and the army could.
And while we're talking about the intent of the beloved "Founders," a good number of them "intended" for slavery to stick around forever, too.
@ TC ...Just as I see you are here with your dull witted and generally unfunny California brand of humor. Every time I think where I live is screwed up...i look your way where your social programs have bankrupted your State...taxes are at unbelievable rates and your state is a "sanctuary State" I'm WAAAAAAY "ahead" of you.
Sorry, Scotty, but you ARE overwhelmingly outgunned by the government, and have been for at least the last century. Wake up and smell the napalm!
Not to mention that since 1972 after the republicans under Nixons leadership made it illegal to over throw the elected government of the US and to talk about an over throw is now a first class felony. Conspiracy is a felony and you can be put into a federal prison for it.
No it's not. There is no passage in the US constitution that states that you have the right to kill government officials because you disagree with their actions. None of the founders ever stated that you have the right to overthrow your government by force. Now they did favor peaceful revolutions which is why the 1st Amendment exists, but there has never been a single instance in US history where the US government upheld the idea that you, a private citizen, have the right to overthrow or violently engage your government. In fact George Washington was the first and last president of the United States to destroy a violent insurrection of farmers and to this day scholars agree that this is because you do not have a constitutional right to kill other people. You do have the right to protest and to petition your government. You have the right to civil disobedience. But you do NOT have the right to kill other people. And this has been upheld many, many, many times by the US court system.
You want to make this claim then you must provide the evidence.
Same horseshet, different day! Brought to you by the NRA. Let's see, nothing changed after 10 zillion other gun incidents, including shooting a congresswoman in the head last year but, scary new changes are coming, any minute now!!
Maybe it takes about 20 Republican Congressmen getting whacked.
"Maybe it takes about 20 Republican Congressmen getting whacked."
Can I be on the Nominating Committee?
I wonder if anyone would notice if 20 were missing?
Sure. Then again, we have to remember Ronaldus Maximus nearly got whacked and it didn't matter. Might need to up the number and take out the entire Republican caucus.
Can I be on the Nominating Committee?
Can I be on the Committee To Act?
We have to be fair. There would probably be overwhelming popular support for the action and millions vying for the privilege to act in the nation's interest. Probably have to raffle off the honor for that committee.
You would NEED a Committee to learn to take the safety off,genius.
You're goin' down first, little man. We can see you but you can't see us.
the rushtards are all foamed-up over some UN gun confiscation programme which obama secretly supports.
this crisis will be adverted (thank god) by the tards sending their *PATRIOTIC* donations.
I wonder if McDonalds ever thought it could drive cheeseburger sales by scaring stupid people into thinking they were going to get banned?
I never thought you could get re-elected by having record unemployment,food stamps and Welfare, there is a LOT of stupid people out there....
Record unemployment? History. It's not your friend.
That joke just writes itself.
It's been 4 years of non-stop laughs with this guy....
Yep! That's why Obama was re-elected and your guy lost!
My "Guy"? Not really for certain I nominated a Massachusetts liberal...But the "reason" Romney lost is because who would have thunk that race baiting and pandering to illegals would have been resorted to to try and hang on to a failed presidency. A new low, breaking American immigration law to grant a "temporary backdoor Amnesty" but this guy finds new bottoms every day.
Just keep remembering who the winner on 11/6/12 was, Little Man. Here's a hint: it wasn't you.
LOSER.
YOU SHOULD be "the head Whacker"...LOL
"YOU SHOULD be "the head Whacker"...LOL"
What a mean case of projection!
LOL!!!
I live smack in the middle of Gun Land, where I often joke that I think I'm the only person living in Montana who doesn't own a gun. I'll get that out of the way up front. Opinion is tilted ridiculously against me here. And still, I'm going to weigh in on this controversy.
My biggest complaint is that we aren't even allowed to have a conversation about the proliferation of guns in our society. Just note the reaction to Bob Costas' comments Sunday evening. If you were a Martian just landing on this planet Sunday afternoon and heard the uproar, you'd think there were cannibals dining on freshly hatched babies or something. This is a serious problem and it's never going to be solved if we can't even talk rationally about it.
Frankly, my opinion is that gun ownership has become ubiquitous precisely because people are taking their "safety" into their own hands instead of having the conversation of how to protect their personal space without using lethal weapons. And I don't mean we should all run out and take martial arts classes. People manage to stay safe in other countries (Canada, UK, all of Europe, for example) without universal gun ownership. Why does it have to be so different here?
I'm not for banning guns, just so you know. It's the ubiquity that I have a problem with. I had a brother who was killed 40 years ago because there was a gun on the premises. I guess he had an argument with the other 17-year-old kid there, and in the end, he died. If the gun hadn't been there, he probably would have had nothing more than a bloody nose. How many other tragedies do we have to have before we're allowed to even talk about it?
I know, lots of questions but no answers. I just don't know how else you start the conversation.
JL- I agree with you there isn't a discussion, and I do own a gun and hunt. I bet there are many gun owners that don't agree with the current availability of certain guns and bullets.
I wonder why people like Scott-3860658 and the NRA don't think people for some gun control don't own guns. My family hunts and own shotguns and rifles but we have never needed an assault rifle to kill a little white tail deer. I am sorry to read about your brother. Study after study shows that a loaded weapon in the house is more likely to kill someone that lives in the house than an intruder.
As for the mass shootings, if the mass shooters had to pump, slide or move a bolt to activate the next bullet FAR less people would have been killed or maimed. Those seconds it takes to load another bullet is when a hero could have saved many others. Not another gun. Studies also show someone not trained in anxiety shooting are highly likely not to hit their target. Do I think all guns should be banned? No way. But any automatic, any bullet that can shoot through Kevlar and clip that holds more than 10 bullets should be, plain and simple.
Citations- American Journal of Lifestyle Medicine (about guns in the home) http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2011/04/110427101532.htm
High anxiety shooting, study with trained police officers: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3142543/
Thank you, MP. Some really good points there.
I suppose I should say that, although I don't own a gun, I'm not for taking away anyone else's privately owned guns. I'm all for people hunting (legally) and for ranchers being able to protect their livestock from predators. And I would even say that there are times when being responsible for your own personal safety is a good reason to have one. For instance, when I've been camping in the Sierras, 20 miles from civilization, you can't rely on 911 if there's a problem.
But whether you think Jovan Belcher should have had that gun or not (not debating that here), those two people probably would be alive today, and their little girl still have parents, if he hadn't had it.
I'll speak for myself, but having what feels like an unsolvable problem with my mate is one of the most searing experiences of my adult life. It's enough to knock most people at least momentarily off their rockers. One thing I learned in my tenure working in Family Court is that we all learn the "triggers" for our mates' anger, and most of the time, we avoid those triggers. But when the stakes get high enough, every now and then something hampers our judgment and words slip out that send the other person over the edge. (Remember, we learn just how to do that by living with each other.) When there's a gun handy, often one or both end up dead.
The time to think about that is now, when nobody's upset. Do you really want to risk shooting someone you love? Is it worth having that gun so handy? That kid who killed my brother is now 57 years old and has lived his entire life knowing he took a life. How sad for everyone.
Interesting you work in Family Court! I do too but in Michigan! I wonder if that is why we seem to be on the same page on this.
My grandma said this about marriage when asked her advice on how to stay married for over 60 years: "People have asked: 'Have you ever thought of divorce?' she answers: 'Divorce, no, kill him, yes." But those heat-of-the-moment arguments pass and life goes on, people that have guns readily available can't always say the same thing.
As for little kid shooting anyone, they don't know the permanency of death and their actions. You are right; your brother's killer has had to live with that action for the rest of his life. And unfortunately, there are many more like him and your family. It is very sad.
MP1910 & JL in Montana, One interesting note here in WI. In my circle of Hunting Friend's which total's about 20 Gun owner's, I asked this question shortly after the tragedy in Colo. The 2 question's I asked was about NRA membership and being able to have an assault Wpn. Not 1 of my friend's belong to the NRA and only 1 supported or thought that Assault Wpn's should be legal. I was surprised by the lack of NRA members.
See, this is what I mean about the conversation. Without it, there are just lots of assumptions. (And you know how you spell assume: a$$ of u & me.)
I was talking to one of my women friends here before the election. She works on Republican issues as a volunteer, so we started talking about our views on the candidates. She lives alone and has owned guns for years. At one point in the conversation, she said almost tearfully, "But Obama doesn't believe in the Second Amendment!"
Huh?? I was flabbergasted. First off, how does anyone really know what someone else believes, although you can make a good guess at times from their behavior. It's still a guess. But aside from that, assuming the President was going to abolish the Second Amendment if he's re-elected came from out of nowhere. Or possibly from the NRA. Hm. Maybe there is an agenda in keeping the conversation from happening.
When I was a college senior, my boyfriend's neighbor (next apartment) decided he wanted a hole in the wall between the two apartments (access? communication? Who knows??). Sledge hammer? Shovel blade? Drywall saw? Nope--22 semi-automatic rifle. Unfortunately, my friend and I were on the other side of the wall.... Result--friend was shot fourteen times (one bullet pierced his aorta, died in my arms), I was shot once and still have a bullet sitting on my spine forty-two years later and unresolvable PTSD, perp was convicted of second-degree murder and aggravated assault and, as far as I know, still sits in prison at the age of 70-ish. He never should have had access to a weapon.... Damn tight I'm for gun control....
Gun ownership and uncertainty over penis size and performance are closely interrelated. it is very interesting to also note the correlation between being in a dead-end job/life and gun ownership. Obama was right about them clinging out of fear to their guns and religion.
I'm certain you "Measure yours" several times a day.....
We knew you'd gravitate to this topic, Little Man. It is a "bone" of contention with you isn't it, LITTLE man?
Has anyone else noted how virulent troll language has become since the 2012 election? I suppose it is the shock of waking up to the fact that they were so wrong on every issue. I remember so many outcries of future victory and that President Obama was going to lose it actually has induced in me a well of pity and sympathy.
I suppose you missed the talk from the half wits on your side of the aisle here....stow your sympathy....
being a white male of a certain age, conservative men are shocked...shocked i tell you...when i say i voted straight dem in this election.
i finish them off by stating i will never vote for any party which prefers old wives tales, superstitions, and radio entertainment for science.
pat robertson is correct that the gop has lost the young (and women) by denying revealed science.
Carol,
This is the way some of them deal with the sudden realization of a completely failed world view. Wingnut World died 11/6/12 and some of the smaller-brained members of the Wingnut tribe are just going to have a hard time adjusting to the realization of it. Those smaller-brained ones are the ones we're seeing here.
Just mock them. It's all they're capable of understanding while they work through their failure.
You should be mocking all of the idiots that are on Hussein's welfare lines that are the largest in the history of this country that voted for him.
We're going to be there to help you very soon, Little Man. You're anguish is coming to an end. You will thank us. You are going to feel so much better when we are through with you.
I'd recommend a lobotomy but it appears one has already been performed.. Amputation?!
Amputation of the head might be the only solution. There will be no pain.
It would be funny if not so pathetic...
Do not worry, pathetic and sad, scared Little Man. We are very gentle when we fix people.
Talk to the excrement in your pocket other than just talking crazily to me. It will mean more to the excrement in your pocket...I'm certain of that.
Another benefit of the completely painless procedure Little Man will be getting when we fix him is that he will not be ashamed of his itty bitty brain anymore. He won't even know about his mild retardation.
Now won't that be better than suffering the shame you do right now, Little Man? Of course, it will be.
You're welcome!
The syrian republicans are going to start using chemical weapons..
The first thing Obama is going to do when he becomes president is take away our guns.. I'll never get tired of telling my repuke friends that.. To which one of them told me Obama has made it harder to buy ammo,, no... scared gun owners are making a run on ammo..
I'll bet "love of gun" has a huge correlation with having been beat up in junior high..
Ted Nugent is the other spokesperson for anti-gun control...
I'm surprised that I know this, but Wayne LaPierre is not the President of the NRA. He is the Executive Vice President and CEO of the NRA. He's been so since the '90s and is the de facto leader. It's like a Libya thing . Longtime leader/dictator with an underwhelming title (Colonel Khaddafi). Like any proper dictator type, LaPierre has gone insane in the bubble the group has provided him.
The President of the NRA is just a figurehead spokesperson who is elected by the board of directors and is usually just in office a couple years (there's an unofficial term limit of 2 years), although they let Charlton Heston have it for ages until his alzheimers became too much of a hindrance.
Sorry Wayne, you're off by a few years.
That would be ME that would take away guns in this country. And I would make it my primary goal and focus to eliminate these kill machines from society.
So I wonder just how much money the gun makers plow into the NRA? They sure know how to sell them guns to them paranoid righties.
"I gots me an uzi and ten thousand rounds and I still aint safe from the boogey man! (but you sure are a threat to society)
Always love to listen to you "Educated liberals".....just remember WE are the ones paying for you to stay on the Government Dole. You should be a little more appreciative.
It's always nice to have a right-winger troll like scott hanging around to serve as a reminder that we've been making the right choices all along... when you don't have a silly little character like that nipping at your heels, sometimes you wonder...
"Me and God are Watching Scotty Grow"--an old Bobby Goldsboro tune
I'm wondering if the founders EVER imagined we would have such a Government dependent bunch of wussies, strongly in favor of Adam and Steve and STRONGLY against personal responsibility.
Hoo boy. This is one wingnut that really having a hard time with his irrelevance. Tough slog ahead for you, Little Man.
The gun nuts are worried about losing their pseudo-peckers, but anxiously give away their cheap-swill money to the NRA. Yup, makes a lot of sense, Gomer.
You know Tony...the "Gun nuts" are the ones killing each other on the mean streets of the inner-city over drugs and Nikes. The ones that have their Conceal and carry are the law abiding individuals doing things the right way....
Oh, like the guy who shot and killed a teenager over loud music? You're a joke.
Shot-gun Double Wide: The Scott Story
^Gee scotty, show you true colors much? Welfare, inner-city, drugs and Nikes.. It's difficult to guess what you're aiming at with your scapegoating! Please beam yourself up to heaven, with all the other gun-toting (the right way) white people, ASAP.
Not sure if you saw this or not Tony, I posted it above:
Now, as for the Scottster himself:
I envision a young southern guy, probably from Arkansas or Mississippi, a silver spoon daddy's boy type, most likely a college republican frat boy, probably a Kappa Alpha or something, that has a gigantic pickup truck (compensation anyone), with a rebel flag and those 'truck nuts' hanging off the hitch, and the obligatory "NOBAMA" sticker on the back windshield, paired with an NRA and a God, Guns, and Guts decal.
He thinks Bud Light is the best beer ever made, subsists on Dairy Queen deep fried goodness and McDonald's dollar menu cheeseburgers. He listens to Rush everyday, and watches O'Reilly and Hannity at night, almost in a reverent, religious way. He's Probably never been beyond his county line, most likely has f*cked a farm animal of some sort in the not so distant past, and whacks off to images of his cousin who lives in the trailer just down the dirt road, near the fishin' hole.
But hey, I could be wrong.
Pain: I did, and I'm still laughing. You nailed it.
White and Black are dying in the urban centers of America...I blame the majority of this on the Great Society mentality that spawns one parent homes and no self responsibility.
I guess slavery had nothing to do with racial inequality, and a young country's path to right past wrongs aren't perfect enough. Sure, we can do better, but gun lobby propaganda isn't going to get us there.
Sorry this is so far down in the comments, because most people won't read this far and see it.
But something said here by Pain ("watches O'Reilly and Hannity at night, almost in a reverent, religious way") made me think of a great movie made back in 1992. Tim Robbins in Bob Roberts is uncannily prescient of today's politics. Grab a copy and watch it if you haven't seen it before. A couple of hours well spent.
;-)
"'We' pay for you to be on the government dole"? You do realize that the states who consistently vote Republican are the ones consistently in the 'red' as far as what they contribute to this country financially versus what they take. They're also the most religious, the most fanatical about gun ownership and at the bottom of the ladder, education-wise. These few facts speak volumes, no?
Like New York? Or California? You jest...
Hey Scott, I have a question. I don't like to see Working People having to be on Some kind of Public assistance, nor does anyone for that matter, But without saying go get another Job, How do WE get, just for example, Walmart Workers off Public assistance? Because I also hear in the same argument that People are against Buisness's paying a living Wage. So How do WE solve that problem?
How about go where you need to go to get a better paying job? And I know plenty of people that make it easily on Wal Mart wages. If you are not satisfied with those wages...WHOSE responsibility is it to improve YOUR lot? I have not lived in my home town for many moons chasing the Dollar. Not prepared to go where the money is better? Whose fault is that?
Do all the people you know who "make it easily on Wal Mart wages" live in their mothers' basements, too? Do you guys all get together on your days off and play Guitar Hero?
SCOTT, Even If those people go get another JOB, The same Problem will still exist with the same Company, And the New Workers that come in When others Leave for different Job's will be in the same situation, See We didn't solve the Problem, We will still have People having to rely on Public Aid
SCOTT, Either avoiding or denial of the Problem doesn't solve it. I'm kinda tired of Paying for Working People using Public Aid, Look up what your Respective State is Paying for Walmart Workers to be on Public Health. That is the friggin problem, And I laugh at Your Lot??? Don't judge A$$hole, I'm not in ANY kind of Situation that you are implying.
New York and California aren't even in the top 10: http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2011/11/states-federal-taxes-spending-charts-maps
Gotta hand it to LaPierre, he's a faithful and successful follower of Canada Bill Jones famous dictum that its immoral to let a sucker keep his money. And there are no suckers more reliable than a gun hoarder. They hoard guns because they're paranoid, which makes them natural marks for paranoid talk, no matter how many times they're played.
LaPierre is like Rush Limbaugh. He's sounding the alarm for additional dough to flow into NRA's coffers. This makes financial sense to keep himself relevant.
IM A LIBERAL SOCIALIST DEMOCRAT- AND I SUPPORT GUN RIGHTS. WHY?
gun control is a racist policy- people of color carrying/owning/possessing guns- scares the bejeebers out of ignorant suburban white folks. dont go into THAT partof the city-its dangerous..
gun control is sexist- women , most of all need a gun to protect themselves. many Women in the wild west packed a pistol for personal protection from men. SO THEY WOULDNT GET RAPED; OR TO STOP a rape, or prevent a rape. Hollywood/TV- westerns- always portray the strong woman character in the movie- as being good with a peacemaker, a rifle, or the MISS KITTY DERRINGER- stashed in a brassiere, or garter, or purse- discreetely- for personal protection.
I support GUN RIGHTS- as a 3rd generation military brat/ military industrial complex- AND AS A MECHANICAL TINKERER- i like GUNS- AS A HOBBY, AS A SPORT, AS A PASTIME. I used to collect various odd ball guns; and go out in the boonies, and plink tin cans, etc. I appreciate military history, and know all the guns used in the various wars, their calibers, their specifications, etc. I enjoy the sport of target shooting. one of my friends is a world class Camp perry M1 rifle target shooter.
Its better to have a gun, and not need it, than vice versa.
of course- kids /teens/ etc- shoud not have access to guns, but its the gangstas that Do have guns that scare everyone in schools, and after school.
And when the gun controllers - talk about restricting guns- keeping them from dangerous people- well WHAT DEFINES DANGEROUS? WHO decides whos dangerous, and whos not? criminals? stoners? pot smokers( guns and drugs)- get caught with a gun, and reefer- and its a major felony.. easy- your out on a weekend- gun in the glove box/ pocket- just in case..- and you go to the bar/ saloon- oh- and you have some weed to smoke with a girl- if shes interesting- in the hope of make love not war.. then you get stopped by officer DUI patrol- and next thing you know- alcohol; drugs( weed) - guns- even though the person is an other wise upstanding, law abiding citizen.. and its prison bound.- and their own show on MSNBC- LOCK UP- wrong place, wrong time..
Gun rights/ gun control- America as a whole- needs to be educated, and learn about firearms rights and responsibilities, and POP culture needs to show the rality of guns- and stop glamourizing guns, violence, war etc.
theres a scene in THE PEOPLE VS LARRY FLYNT- where he ( woody harrelson/ larry- TALKS ABOUT SEX AND VIOLENCE- THAT PEOLE MAKIGN LOVE IS OBSCENE- ESPCIALLY ON tv/ MOVIES( OF COURSE KEEP KIDS AWAY, UNLESS ITS AGE APPROPRIATE, OR PERANTAL DISCRETIO; - BUT MOVIES/TV SHOWS CAN SHOW THE MOST HORRIFIC GRAPHIC VIOLENCE IMAGINABLE?
whats wrong with this picture/
And then we have all the murders in the USA world- that are committed with lots of other common household implements- bikers/ hells angels weapon of choice is the 8 0z ball peen hammer; others use axes; bricks, kitchen knives, rambo knives, jack handles, ice picks, a stout piece of firewood, you nmae it- the prisons are full of killers that didnt even use a gun.. when ( insert murder weapon here ) are ioutlawed.. you know the NRA schtick.
and i suppose the most important reason that liberals democrats, socialists, (JEWS?) etc- shoud support gun rights is for protection from all the crazy right wing tea baggers, etc- that own guns- for all the wrong reasons..- troll any gun nra blog- and they all want to go kill people, ans shoot up tihngs- just because.
and lastly- why the FBI /ETC- doesnt classify the NRA, and others as domectic terrorist organizations, under the post 9-11 patriot act, etc- i dont understand- they al want their guns in case the government comes to take them away. shooting federal officers? police? military? that sounds like treason, terrorism, criminal behavior to me? thats what the rule of law is for. theres not going to be any syrian style uprisinge; or red dawn wolverines saving the USA. sure it helptsif someone is a good shot, and is comfortable around guns, etc- in case they join the militayr; and veterans cant just erase that from their minds- PTSD/ TBI; etc.
but the main reason the NRA revs up oaranoid conspiracy theories is to sell guns to the fearful, the gullible, the paranoid. criminals wll always find a way to get guns, and lunatics will always use them wrong. but until they committ a criminal act- theres no way to tell whos crazy; dangerous, and whos not- and thats part of the point..
I would rather err on the side of the constitution- federal, state, etc- and try to obey the laws as best i can.
I suppose the cops frown on people with red ryder BB bguns plinking pesky squirels off their bird feeders, neighbor s dogs and cat s poopint n their yards, etc- but thats another discussion..
as a democrat- you can never be labeled as voting aginst the constituion, or demagogued as wanting to take away peoples guns, institutii ng communist/ sharia etc totalitarinsism, regardless of ones personal beliefs.
but i support gun rights, and people have a n inalienable right to self defense, personal protection, and same for their families, and property. the police cant be everywehre all the time.
and too many women are raped because they cant shoot the perpretrator in the balls.. "can you give us a description of the rapist , maam? sure- follow the blood trail.. he wont rape again.. thats for sure.. makes the cops jobs easier..
"too many women are raped because they cant shoot the perpretrator in the balls"...
Wow, you'd have to be a good shot (and have a lot of luck on your side) to do that... O_o
You should be allowed to keep guns as long as you are NOT a NRA member. I believe just signing their membershiop form, you lose IQ points.
I REALLY enjoy reading what passes for intelligence on this blog...Okay genius...The Revolutionary war was REALLY outlawed by the constitutional congress....what a dork.
We will not be able to fix your incontinence. You will still have to wear your Man-Pampers.
I feel like the gun-toting liberal viewpoint is lost here - I know we're a small subset, but here's how I view gun ownership, with particular focus on assault rifles. To be completely clear: I own a couple of guns: A pistol (Glock) and also a big scary-ass assault rifle. Mostly I like making holes in paper, and the assault rifle in particular is a man-toy. It is a hell of a lot of fun to shoot. The pistol I also keep loaded, in a safe in my bedroom, for self defense. Do I expect I'll ever have to use it? No. Do I want to use it on a human? No. Will I ever become a member of the NRA? HELL no.
But here's the thing - and this is actually one of the reasons I ended up getting the assault rifle - the rhetoric coming out of the extreme right wing is genuinely disturbing and has ratcheted up in the last few years under President Obama. Something about this man has made an entire wing of the republican party spin off into cloud cuckoo land. I'll leave it as an exercise to the reader just what that is.
I believe that the second amendment confers an individual right to bear arms. I even agree that an armed populace is a bulwark against an Assad-style oppressive regime. Hell, I believe that if you outlaw guns, only outlaws will own guns. That's one of the few compelling arguments to ever come out of the gun lobby. But I have deep misgivings about the gun show loophole that lets anyone transfer any weapon to anyone without a background check. The genie is out of the bottle with regards to powerful, military-style weapons being available to the public, but we need to have much tighter enforcement of the laws we already have. We need dealers to be accountable for who they sell to, we need to work harder to keep guns out of the hands of the mentally unstable, and we need to prosecute the people who sell weapons to such dangerous individuals.
I thought long and hard about my philosophical misgivings regarding weapons with extremely powerful rounds in high capacity magazines, and I realized that all the right wing nut jobs own them. Every winger spouting off about "second amendment remedies" has a closet full of guns and thousands of rounds of ammo to put through them. I don't expect armed insurrection, and even if one happened (white supremacist group from Idaho decides they wanna assault Seattle and die in the process as martyrs for the cause, whatever) it would be localized and last maybe a day before being totally squashed by the actual armed forces. But what does scare me is the individually perpetrated mass shootings that are happening with alarming regularity these days.
The amount of damage a single, determined person can do with one of these weapons - hell, the amount of damage I could do with mine - is mind boggling. The rifle I own can project a .308 round accurately to about 800 yards, and I can empty a 20-round magazine in about 5 seconds, 15-20 if I'm pausing to place my shots accurately. I own a death machine.
If one of those mass shootings happens near where I live, it's very likely that it'll be perpetrated with a weapon of similar design, and here's the thing: I don't want the crazies to be the only ones with the big scary guns. I'm now better armed than almost all police officers, and so is every person who thinks Obama is a Secret Gay Kenyan Muslim Terrorist(tm).
Maybe it's fantasy, but I feel marginally safer owning that rifle and knowing how to use it. I'm not sure if that means I'm falling prey to the same type of rhetoric that LaPierre is spouting, but what I'm reacting to feels more real, and present. It says something about society, and about me, that I feel that way. I'm not exactly sure what it says, but I know I'm conflicted about it.
You're both lost. Nobody should be able to own those weapons. In a sane society that is.
If you get to own a "death machine" that can empty a 20-round magazine in about 5 seconds, I should be able to own a Stinger Missile launcher. If I'm going to own a "death machine," I want one that counts. Raytheon should have some extras laying around somewhere...
The weird thing is that the gun nuts (talking to you, Scotty) are so emphatic about there not being any restrictions on the second amendment, but when it comes time for the First Amendment, they are real happy to put all kinds of restrictions. The First Amendment says that people may peacefully assemble to present their grievances. It says nothing about whether they have to get a permit. It says nothing about how long they can assemble. It says nothing about any type of governmental restriction, but the gun nutters were pleased as punch when the cops beat the daylights out of OWS and the people protesting at the conventions. They have no problem with having special protest areas far from where grievances are presented.
The First Amendment also says that the government won't get involved in any religion, but the gun nutters sure want the government to pay for their kids going to a religious school and for the government to aid them in pushing their particular flavor of religion to the exclusion of all others.
You are hilarious...you somehow think the first amendment gives you the "right" to infringe upon other people conducting THEIR business? Your rights only extend to where the other persons begin. Anarchy deserves the beatings it gathers. You protest at a place which does not infringe upon others and there are no consequences...funny how that works,huh? And charter schools are NOT all religious in nature, nor even of one single religion. You can choose the option of enrolling a child in that school if you like their academics and are not forced. Being as Liberals have ruined Public Education with the Welfare Society they have created with one parent homes being the norm...charter schools offer havens where discipline is actually still allowed. To just post lie after lie and somehow try and shift blame from your own conduct to the First Amendment is beyond laughable.
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I would believed that, The entire NRA should be dissolved into nothingness. They need to really shut down the NRA, And call to actions on them entirely lay-ed down on all armed weapons, I would call the NRA President and his company a Disgraced Abusers and A Total Liars, He should tossed in the slammer in jail time. You of all NRA should Never kill innocent people to kids, It is a Disgraceful issues we have on our hands, Think it over before blood is all over your heads or we will see your heads will roll on the red presidential carpet. You the NRA should be banned for life!!!