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Capt. Sara Rodriguez of the 101st Airborne Division at Fort Campbell, Ky., in May 2012.
The issue of women military personnel serving in combat roles has been debated for quite a while, but today, Defense Secretary Leon Panetta appears to have taken an enormous step towards bringing the discussion to an end.
Senior U. S. defense officials say Pentagon chief Leon Panetta is removing the military's ban on women serving in combat, opening hundreds of thousands of front-line positions and potentially elite commando jobs after more than a decade at war.
The groundbreaking move recommended by the Joint Chiefs of Staff overturns a 1994 rule banning women from being assigned to smaller ground combat units. Panetta's decision gives the military services until January 2016 to seek special exceptions if they believe any positions must remain closed to women.
The decision comes about two months after the ACLU and four servicewomen filed a federal suit over the existing combat-exclusion policy. As NPR reported, "Women, the lawsuit claimed, were already serving in combat roles, but were not receiving recognition for it. Last year, the military opened 14,500 positions to women and lifted a rule that prohibited women from living with combat units."
While the issue of special exceptions still needs a resolution, today's announcement obviously addresses the lawsuit, while ending the 1994 ban.
What's more, stepping back to look at this in the larger context, the dramatic changes to and modernization of the U.S. military in recent years has been nothing short of remarkable.
Update: Sen. Patty Murray (D-Wash.), chair of the Senate Veterans' Affairs Committee, and a member of the Defense Appropriations Subcommittee, released the following statement on Panetta's decision: "This is an historic step for equality and for recognizing the role women have, and will continue to play, in the defense of our nation. From the streets of Iraqi cities to rural villages in Afghanistan, time and again women have proven capable of serving honorably and bravely. In fact, it's important to remember that in recent wars that lacked any true front lines, thousands of women already spent their days in combat situations serving side-by-side with their fellow male servicemembers. I commend Secretary Panetta and the Joint Chiefs of Staff for their decision and look forward to working with them on quickly implementing the end of this ban."





I hate to say this, I really hate to say this, but this is one form of sexism I agree with. War is utterly horrible and horrifying. It's bad enough to see my fellow countrymen blown up. I think it's a good thing that we just leave women out of that kind of horror. I think that would be too much for me to bear.
ditto
I have to disagree. I have served with women and under some pretty harsh circumstances. I have never seen any reason why women couldn't or shouldn't serve in combat.
As long as a woman can meet the same physical demands as a man can then the rest is just tradition and cultural mores...and those change
You're a bit late on this. Women have been de facto serving in combat roles for years. This just makes it official.
I can agree with you on an emotional level, Alva. But that decision should be based on ability, not on my insecurities or notions of gender appropriate roles.
Perhaps, Alva, you have not heard that we now have an all volunteer army. Like abortion, women now have a choice .
War is utterly horrible and horrifying regardless of your plumbing, and my knee jerk reaction is not so different from yours, but it's cultural.
The most successful pirate chief known to history was a woman.
When the Europeans got to Madagascar, they found a matriarchal society with a queen who got a new, young husband every few years.
All of the native American cultures I know of had women warriors.
The Romans occupying Britain didn't laugh too hard Boadicea.
Lucy Liu can kick McConnell's brainpan any day of the week.
Guys, cue up some Lou Reed and take a walk on the wild side. Test some of these assumptions you have about women and the attributes you associate with warriors. Like physical prowess, emotional stability to deal with horrifying situations, or the detachment necessary to swiftly make decisions that can result in the deaths of comrades. If you have never met any women with those attributes you have been leading a very sheltered life. If you don't have the balls to fall for such women or are otherwise inclined to shortchange yourself because of the categories your mind is imprisoned in, well- fine. Your loss. But don't exclude people from careers they would excel at simply because you can't relate to such women.
If it makes logical sense to you, but not emotional sense- educate your heart. If you are single, be open to dating someone who enjoys bench pressing or gets off on hunting or paint ball. You'll find there are plenty of women who go in for the hut hut hut thing but are also intensely and traditionally "feminine" in other ways. This isn't the dating the tomboy challenge. This is about understanding what they like doing in one area can have very little to do about other things about themselves- thing you find intensely compelling. But here- you are getting hung up because you can't relate to one part of who they are.
Really, this is not complicated at all. Otherwise progressive folk that have these feeling just have some wrong impressions based on not getting out too much.
Maybe the key to ending wars in general is permitting women to fight. My generation had a slogan: What if they gave a war and nobody came? I am still waiting for the TRUE COST of war, including the PTSD that devastates families and fighters as well for YEARS after the war is over. I want ALL THE PROFITS from the MIC to go to redressing those wrongs. Until the TRUE COST of things is shown, people/corporations will hide their GRAND LARCENY with phony statistics.
Tammy Duckworth didn't loose both legs playing tiddlywinks in Iraq. She was in a combat situation. Get over it.
Don't get me wrong, folks. I certainly think women should have the right to serve in combat. But man oh man, I really wish they wouldn't. I'm sure many women can do the job. Especially as the military gets more technological and relies less on plain brute force. But it just seems to me, that if my fellow Americans are going to have to go to some foreign land and see their own guts spill out of their bodies, or have their limbs blown off, I just would prefer that a woman not go through that.
I'm sorry. This is just an emotional thing for me. I just think war is too horrible a thing to subject a woman to. I feel the same way about subjecting children to war.
"Americans are going to have to go to some foreign land and see their own guts spill out of their bodies, or have their limbs blown off"
Alva
It has already happened. Please see my post above. Tammy Duckworth is a member of Congress and she's Okay.
ALVA, Google Navy Times, Go on that site and there is a link that you can go on and it put's Faces to our Fallen Men and Women. Unfortunatly ALVA, Too Many Men and Women have already Sacrificed.
Alva, just which planet are you going to send women so they won't be involved in war? In case you missed it, women have been on the front line since at least WWII.
Of course, they were civilians...
I'm still trying to figure out why anyone would actually want to be on the front line. I mean, ..., DAMN, it's the frickin' front line.
Fight tomorrows battles with drones. I agree with Obama on this issue. Drones can be sent in to bomb, survey, machine gun, etc- add drone tanks if needed.
Alva,
The Israeli Army has included women for decades, and you are deluding yourself if you think they do not fulfill combat roles in a country no wider than a front line.
I believe the Israeli army has found significant benefit to having women in units -- having female peers around male soldiers improves the professionalism of the men.
I understand all that. I don't knock anyone's service. And I have no doubt that many women have contributed greatly to the military already. I recognize Tammy Duckworth's sacrifice. I think women should be free to join, and should enjoy all the promotional advancements available to men. I just really wish they wouldn't join.
You know we live in interesting times when the U.S. Military is leading the charge on equal rights, while at the same time, the GOP would veto all of the gains made in the 20th Century if given the chance.
as long as the women in combat thing is strictly voluntary within the ranks. personally, it turns my stomach.
military has always leads the way
Yep.
Military lead on civil rights when Truman integrated the armed forces. It's always a Democrat, isn't it?
Or a Republican when their racism is impractical. During the severe manpower shortages during the Battle of the Bulge, Eisenhower signed orders allowing black soldiers to be assigned as replacements to white units. The conventional wisdom was that the people back home would be upset.
What they discovered was that, apart from the deep South, Americans were more interested in beating Hitler.
For the life of me, I find it hard not to think it weird that this doesn't work the other way around. You'd think, with racism, those being discriminated against would be the FIRST to see the front lines. Not have to fight for the distinction.
I guess this is because I can't fathom being on the front line as anything but a bad situation. I mean, from Vietnam on, it hasn't been "the best and the brightest." (Hopefully everybody understands the context of that phrase.)
John- you have a certain amount of goofiness that is nostalic. Ike was a General duriing WWI, not a politician. And- I would suggest that the President during that time was a Democrat.
Is it that you think the politics of being COC in the European theater were insignificant, or that you use the word "politics" only for the activity associated with elected office? (So in this sense, there is no "politics" in the military?)
If not, then don't think you understand the military, or Eisenhower or the historical environment of WWII he worked in.
If you could ask Patton if there were politics involved in the military during WWII he'd say YES!
Actually, I find it humorous to see you dig up a 70 year old decision, made in a non-political situation, and you try to pass it as something evil from Republicans. Makes as much sense as if I was to say Obama was trying to keep black people in slavery- as Democrats have always been prone to do- witness the Civil War as an example. Yep- just as stupid as your example...
i will say this simply.... NOT A GOOD THING.
it is natural for a man to defend women. and that is what real wars are all about, yes? in defense. in defense of. in defense of country to defend the home to defend the woman at the head of the family... women - the givers of life.
this may be ok for some or many women, but i tell you this.... it will be a distraction and a hazard for the man. i will venture to say that the downside is greater than the upside.
women in combat may be a right fair legal equal thing, but it's not GOOD.
It is also natural for a mother to defend her young. Lets just hope that more women all around the world get more places in the governments so that wars will become unnecessary and no one will come home in pieces.
Hard to give too much consideration to the argument that women should not serve in combat roles because men naturally want to protect women.
20% of female service members are raped by fellow soldiers. 80% do not report incidents of sexual assault. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/marcia-g-yerman/the-invisible-war-documentary_b_1650009.html
If you don't like HuffPost just do a quick Google search. The stats are the same.
Sorry, gotta call BS on that one. Check your statistics for rape and sexual assault IN THE MILITARY, then try to use your "it is natural for man to defend women" crap.
Joseph, you seem to have a hard time understanding that women do just fine without men. If you're distracted by women, stay away from them. Seriously, you are not needed in most women's life.
So then you must have spoken to the men who are already fighting alongside women today, because you must realize that this has already been going on for some time, right? Did they tell you that they're distracted from life-threatening danger because "Guys, that's a girl!!!"?
Joseph, Ms.Gloria Steinem is supposed to have said, "A woman without a man is like a fish without a bicycle". Get over it.
Joseph,
Dude, look at Israel. Females, combat ready and very capable walk the streets armed to the teeth. I have serious doubts that any man feels some sense of "having to protect them"... very likely these men are happy to be so well protected.
Chauvinism is pretty much dead,,,
ANYONE in combat is not good.
Joseph, you're seriously saying that women need men to defend them? Women are perfectly capable of defending themselves, and their country. Plus, if women are going to be a "distraction" or a "hazard" to men in the front line, maybe the men should reconsider their priorities, because if they're distracted from their very serious role in defending our country, over women who are serious about defending the same country, they shouldn't be in the front line.
Appealing to 'nature' is just the intellectual coward's way of admitting they really don't have a rational argument to offer.
Joseph Common, when the women of our Armed Forces are being raped by our own guys, I hardly think your chivalrous ideas reflect the times. Women are in combat and therefore deserve combat pay. More women today would prefer to know hand-to-hand combat than to have a man's "protection". That same "protection" is what enables the GOP to prevent women from health care and to try to shut down the Equal Pay Act. Women need acknowledgement and empowerment, not "protection".
As someone who has personally seen and can never forget what is meant in reality by the term "the disasters of war," I too am torn about this "progress."
This puts us only 60 years behind the USSR.
Awesome, lesbian army here we come!
ROFLMAO!!!
Considering some of the lesbians I know you have no idea what a genuinely terrifying thought that is!!!
*Fist pump*
And we play some bitchin' softball!
Hell, in the 80's every lesbian in San Diego was already in the Army..
John McCain's head set to explode 3...2...1
*toward
God help the enemy if they leave their socks and underwear on the bedroom floor.
Or don't lower the toilet seat.
@Giant Kid: The US Military has always been at the forefront of equal rights, leading desegregation during civil rights (official military desegregation took place in 1948), eliminating the "glass ceiling" (first female General was appointed in 1978 at a time of gross gender inequalities in the workplace) and perpetual equal wages (gender plays no role in pay). Military leaders are now, and have always been at the cutting edge of social issues, as the Department of Defense is the absolute most culturally, ethnically, and gender diverse employer in the world (3.2 Million employees). This diversity forces leaders at every level to confront these issues on a daily basis, whether it be in the office or on the battlefield. There can be no place for inequality within DoD, as "we the people" need our best and brightest to lead the American defense initiative in this ever shrinking world with quickly emerging, complex threats to the American way of life.
On a point more salient to this article, great care should be taken in the implementation of this policy, specifically in regard to our Special Operations Forces. There is certainly a place for all Soldiers, Sailors and Airmen in theses forces (frankly diversity in gender, ethnicity, culture, and language is a strength for these units), however, the defined mission sets of each type of unit should be analyzed for appropriateness of such an assignment. As an example, would you send a Female Special Forces Officer to teach, train, and mentor an all male foreign Special Operations Unit (one of the primary missions of Army Special Forces)?
Most servicemen and women can understand cultural sensitivity and foreign relations through the eyes of our partner nations and through the lens of a decade of warfare. However, it seems the politico and American people do not grasp the ethnocentricity of such an action as described above. Although America may be ready for women in combat roles, we must be careful not to thrust that ideal onto our international partners until they have the capacity to accept American (female) Soldiers in such roles.
In addition, the best possible step forward in gender equality in the military is to eliminate all gender based privileges, evaluations, and considerations. Some examples include equal maternity/paternity leave allowance, identical uniforms rules (with regard to jewelry, "feminine uniform cut", and haircut regulations to name a few), and most of all, create identical physical standards for identical job functions without degrading the current standards.
Let Sec. Clinton go at them!
I'm not a Democrat fan, as those here know. And while I think there were some things done in the Benghazi situation for political reason (on BOTH sides), Sec. Clinton is one tough and smart lady. While I disagree with her politics on some levels, she is a stand up and highly capable individual.
A recent paraphrased quote as I watch the House hearings, "I could have kept the report confidiential like 18 or so others under Republican and Democrat administrations and avoided this, but that IS NOT WHO I AM!"
I know this post here is somewhat off topic, but in giving long over due credit to women in many areas, it is where this post belongs. Back off fellow Republicans, Sec. Clinton can eat your lunch. No sarc here!
Today's Senate hearing proved that women are fit for combat, and that the junior Senator from Kentucky is an embarrassment.
The timing of this decision gives Senate Republicans the perfect opportunity to try to reverse the decision during Chuck Hagel's nomination hearings.
If they can meet the physical requirements that combat jobs require, then this is a good thing for this country. Why eliminate half your potential talent base simply because of gender?
Also, are they going to either drop the requirement that men register upon reaching their 18th birthday, or are they going to expand it to everyone?
I have mixed feelings but women are the stronger sex, that is why we have babies. It is our choice to serve and women should and will serve in combat as well.
I look at it this way, If the JCS has looked at the issue and is OK with it then fine. Maybe they will have seperate Women Unit's, Who know's what is planned. Bottom line there are standards and if they complete whatever course, then more Power to them. Personally, I knew some WM's (Women Marines) That could and would kick the tar out of many Guy's.
ANYONE who wants to be in the military, if 18 or over, should be allowed to; in any capacity.
Why doesn't anybody talk about the lack of equality in the Physical Fitness Tests for women and men? Women are graded on a scale much lower than their male counterparts. Women have been participating in combat for a long time. They have been excluded from certain jobs for good reason: The vast majority of them would not meet the physical requirements of that job. Ranger School has at best a 25% pass rate for the already physically fit men who volunteer. What would that pass rate be for women under the same standard? I'll agree that one woman out of maybe 100 will be able to pass Ranger School under the current standards but would people cry "Sexism!" because the pass rate was not to their liking? I would be open to opening all combat roles to women if the APFT and other physical requirements at schools such as Ranger School, the Special Forces Qualification Course, BUDS, etc. remain the same for all applicants.
American Women have already been in combat. From the Revolutionary war to present day, no conflict has not been without women in the line of fire.
As a veteran myself, I can't tell you how many times I was denied a particular opportunity because I am female. Women are denied commands because they do not have the battlefield experience that men have.
While I do not relish the thought of going into combat, I, like many other women who served and have served, were always ready to go when the call came.
This is an "about time" moment, and women will either succeed or fail. So far, we have succeeded in every challenge given us, I see no reason to expect nothing less. Maybe the chickenhawks will think twice before they decide to step into and try to solve matters with guns instead of diplomacy.
Three cheers for Molly Pitcher!
And Joan of Arc, thank you very much!
Being in the line of fire is different from taking an offensive combat role like Infantry, Marine Force Recon, SEALs, etc. Which opportunities were you denied, Knobson? You know how many men were denied a spot in the Ranger Regiment or other elite units due to not meeting the physical requirements? Women have NOT succeeded as a whole with the task of meeting the same physical requirements. How many 280+ APFT scores did you meet while using the women's scale? Men have to do a lot more pushups, and a lot faster run to score the same on their scale. These scores determine promotions and school opportunities. So, is that really fair???
A couple of examples:
When I enlisted, I was denied a particlar MoS which I was qualified for, due to being female. At the time, women were not allowed to serve aboard certain ships, because of the combat aspect, They've since opened that up.
Later on in my career, I was "penciled in" for a spot in a squadron that had opened up slots for women. Later, they reclassified those spots as "combat positions" and I was politely told I had to apply for a different position elswhere.
There's nothing like learning that while you are qualified to do all these things, but you can't do them because it's classified as a "combat" posting (because of the potential that there may be future combat.)
I believed then, and still do (even though I'm retired and have meassbedraggin' syndrome) that the physical requirements must be equal. It's absolutely imperative that it be so.
For the record, at my peak, I did more pushups and situps then some of the younger "stronger" guys, and ran faster than they did. I found men doing the bare minimum, while the women pushed themselves as hard as they could.
One other Point, I spent 82-90 in the USMC, Infantryman, And I will say this, And I also know this applies to the Army as well, If anyone think's that Guy's where able to keep up on every Run, or "Hump", (Forced March) in both respective Branch's, Then I have a Bridge to sell. Any Vet on here will say the same.
Women have already been at or near the front-line for generations. Even when they were segregated to hospital units, they were still at risk. What hasn't been the case were the pay and benefits given to them. In today's world, more so than in the past, combat doesn't stay in one place. Look at what happened in Libya where embassy staff members including an ambassador died in an area that wasn't a combat zone. Women deserve equal pay and equal benefits.
Absolutely! Well said, Miguel!
Women receive equal pay according to rank as men do. In fact, the military is the most fair when it comes to having ZERO pay gap between men and women. Something the private sector (and the White House) cannot brag about.
I think women who choose to act in a combat role should be allowed to do so, and to have access to the MOSes previously denied them. That said..I really hope it remains optional, because what next..drafting us, too?
I admire and commend our women soldiers..they deserve the same respect and opportunities as any other, I just don't necessarily want to join them.
What an amazing day in History! I am a female firefighter and my brother is currently in Afgan. We grew up together and are a lot alike. I have met every physical requirement to be a firefighter and any female that meets the military requirements should have the same right to serve in the capacity my brother does! Bad things do happen in my job and in war. Men are just as suceptable as females to be affected by that. people should be treated as individuals and what they are capable of not because of what sex they are. Today is a proud day! I am proud to be an American!!
Secretary Panetta’s decision is the right one. Advocates of exclusion will likely instead argue that it is the wrong decision because: (1) women are not psychologically suited to kill, (2) women are not suitable combat leaders, (3) US society will not accept women as killers, targets, or captives, (4) women menstruate and get pregnant, (5) the military is unable to provide the necessary personal privacy to reduce sexual tension, and (6) women are not physically capable of direct ground combat roles.
Arguments 1 through 5 are contradicted by over 10 years of evidence of women who have actually served in direct ground combat, despite the exclusion policy, on the nonlinear battlefields of Afghanistan and Iraq (See the Silver Star citations for SGT Leigh Ann Hester and SPC Monica Brown on HomeOfHeroes.com).
Argument 6 is a prediction based on an overgeneralization of all women, rather than an individualized determination of ability. It is also contradicted by evidence of actual performance by women serving in direct ground combat and evidence that some women are capable of the physical rigors of direct ground combat roles (Infantry, Armor, Special Forces / Special Operations). The Services already evaluate the physical capability of individual Soldiers in determining whether they may return to their job after an injury. Implementing some form of physical evaluation during or before an applicant’s initial entry training is the best way to ensure the right applicants get into the right military jobs. The test should be based on the actual physical requirements of the combat job and not on some arbitrary feat of strength. Just as 1975 grant to the University of Maryland from the U.S. Fire Administration led to the development of the Firefighter Combat Challenge course, a similar initiative could lead to a relevant and effective testing procedure to determine strength eligibility for combat arms MOS jobs.
Rather than end the policy immediately, Secretary Panetta has initiated the process for the Services to develop the plans to implement the end of the policy. Advocates of the end of the exclusion policy may argue that the change is not fast enough, that discrimination is happening now, and that the policy continues to cause individual harm and harm to military readiness while it is continued. However, opening ground combat roles to women represents a cultural change in the armed forces. Similar to the way in which the repeal of Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell (DADT), required the Services to develop an implementation plan, Secretary Panetta’s approach gives the Services the opportunity to buy in to the policy change and to carefully think through all potential issues that could otherwise derail the process. Just as the implementation of the repeal of DADT turned out to be a non-issue, the phased approach to the end of the exclusion policy will likely also have a positive non-issue result.
While ending the exclusion policy brings more of the military’s personnel policy in line with the Constitutional guarantee of equal protection, it also importantly restores the integrity of the merit-based nature of the armed forces, improves leadership diversity and career advancement opportunities, and combats sexual assault in the military by sending the message to all troops that women are to be treated with respect as equally capable of all jobs.
These views expressed above are my own and in no way represent the views of the Department of Defense or its components.
For more, please see: Breaking the Ground Barrier in the Military Law Review (Spring 2011): http://tinyurl.com/https-www-jagcnet-army-mil-D
Women have been in combat situations for quite some time "unofficially". And by "unofficially" I mean they generally have not received combat pay, honors, or the extra family benefits afforded to "combat soldiers".
I hate war and violence as much as most folks do, but I think this is long overdue. Women deserve the same credit as their male counterparts in the same roles.
It's absolutely in a great step in the right direction for true equality.
Women have been in combat situations since the Revolutionary War.
Black powder cannons can be fired for a short period of time before overheating. In order to keep firing during a battle, artillery crews would send runners to get water to cool the guns. If locals were available, they would get them to act as runners in order to maximize the crews on the guns. Many of these runners were women and called 'Molly Pitcher'.
Since artillery positions were #1 targets for enemy fire, anyone bearing water up to a gun position was as likely to be killed as members of the artillery crew.
EVERY woman (and man) deployed to a combat zone (regardless of MOS or branch) receives combat pay, the Federal Income Tax combat zone exclusion, those attached to airborne units receive jump pay, there's also hazardous duty pay, etc. Why do people make comments that they have NO IDEA of what they're talking about? Please quit talking out of your hind quarters.
Just finished reading Drift. Rachel is very hard on the politicians, soft on the generals and licks the boot in an obscene way of the soldiers. Why should the soldiers escape all responsibility when it is THEY who do the killing and torturing? It is THEY who chose the profession of killing knowing full well the people in Afghanistan and Iraq were no conceivable danger to the USA. What motivated them really? Protecting American freedom? That is a BS cover for sadism. Have you never heard Universal Soldier?