
Tonight's citations are listed after the jump.
"...the very fact of the existence or nonexistence of such documents is itself classified..." (pdf)
Secret U.S. Memo Made Legal Case to Kill a Citizen
Wyden Hints at Brennan Filibuster
Senator Wyden letter to President Obama (pdf auto-download)
Andrea Mitchell interviews Rep. Mike Rogers
April 29, 2003 - US pulls out of Saudi Arabia
April 29, 2003 - U.S. to Withdraw All Combat Forces From Saudi Arabia
30 Apr 2003 - America to withdraw troops from Saudi Arabia
Drone Strikes' Risks to Get Rare Moment in the Public Eye
Brennan nomination exposes criticism on targeted killings and secret Saudi base
The Times Was Right to Report - at Last - on a Secret Drone Base
Globalizing Torture: CIA Secret Detention and Extraordinary Rendition
CIA rendition: more than a quarter of countries 'offered covert support'
DoJ white paper on targeted killings (pdf)
A CIA veteran transforms U.S. counterterrorism policy
State of the Union 2011: Paul Ryan responds that government spending needs to stop
Remarks at a Ceremony Honoring Roberto Clemente
Slain teachers, staff to get presidential medal
'Gun control' doesn't survive Christmas
Newtown wasn't different, cont.
Gun control losing steam in Congress?
Obama losing his gun control campaign
Herald News: Gun law reform losing steam
When an NRA endorsement hurts, not helps
2nd Oval Office Readied in White House Rehab Project
White House Source: President Will Have to Vacate Oval Office Next Year





Rachel, republicans in Congress better be careful about what they want made public in hopes of embarrassing President Obama because what we see, the rest of the world sees also and that can't be a good thing. My dad was a poker player and he always said that you never expose your hole card. What Fox News and the replublicans want, so does the rest of the world and their stupidity can cost us lives here and abroad. So this insistence on making public certain classified documents may come back to bite them in their a** but it may also cost the country dearly and that's my biggest fear. The Washington Post and other media are playing a dangerous game. I hope they can live with the consequences because I don't want to. Its amazing how they kept it a secret when Bush was in office but now its imperative that it be exposed now. I hope the American ppl see this for what it is.
I think you are correct on most issues discussed on your show. I am a center left Democrat. Back in 1963 I served for the USN via the CIA in Vietnam when there were less than 10,000 so called boots on the ground. You nor anyone else knows what was going on at that time and you probably never will, officially that is. I think, respectfully, that you did not serve, particularly during war time? I am 71, white and a staunch protector of Civil, social and USA citizenry safety from attacks from abroad.
There isn't any way we could have gotten al awaqui in Yemen without a drone. Even Yemen declared him an enemy of their country! There is enough, tons in fact, info on this deviant self proclaimed terrorist to get him the electric chair 10 times over if captued. It DON'T work that way in Yemen.
You asked "is our security so bad we can't protect our Country?" The aswer is Yes! We are killing a Minimal number of so called "Innocents" with drones and many Bad Dues! These bad guys walk around these wild west Countries with absolute impunity while conjuring up various ways to hurt, kill and destroy the USA and it's citizenry. Who are all the US citizens getting killed by drone attacks? I only know of one. And he can burn in hell! Bush/CHENEY got thousands of Americans killed and Trillions of taxpayer dollars wasted! That is a Travesty! It is clear that Pres. Obama is using his authority to protect All of the USA's citizens proactively and this is where I depart from being a "Lefty" or part of any other group that thinks "Due Process" will EVER work on Terrorists in the Middle east and N. Africa. I know you don't want to see another 9-11 or worse. AND that is what ios being plotted and planned.
The point being taken is unrealistic and way too touchy feely for this issue. Go Drones!
Good points, drdphd70.
Noam Chomsky has a good piece on American power over at Truth dig. Might makes right, and we are the "rightest" on the planet.
http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/the_paranoia_of_the_superrich_and_superpowerful_20130206/
Neenee, the tweet at the top demanding public access to the drone killing American policy is a Democrat.
If "they" really want to stop this nonsence, they could start by repealing the Patriot Act.
Ma and Pa Mockingbird’s Gerrymandering Adventure with a Filibustering Drone Critter
“Ma ! Ma ! Look out below. I’m flyin’ into the Nest hard and fast !” Pa Mockingbird squawked as he awkwardly dove into The Mockingbird’s Nest, knocking Ma Mockingbird off of her feet and flat onto her fanny.
“Pa, what in tarnation !” Ma Mockingbird scolded as she got back up onto her feet dusting the debris off of her ruffled feathers. “You know the Rules for entering Our Nest. You fuss at Chick almost every day about his slowing down and entering Our Nest respectfully. Some Role Model you are.”
“I’m sick and tired of those dad-blamed Drone Critters, Ma. Sick and tired of ’em. Look at my tail feathers. Just looky here. That gol durned flyin’ human contraption snipped the tops off of two of my middle tail feathers. I won’t fly straight until some new ones grow in.” Pa Mockingbird grumbled.
“Those dad gum drone critters are a real nuisance, Ma. We’ve been flyin’ the friendly skies, and sharin’ those very same skies with all sorts of other flyin’ critters for years. But these Drone Critters are just plain rude and invasive. A Bird has got Rights, too. The Mockingbirds deserve privacy and safety, too. The Humans aren’t the only Living Things on this good great Earth. I’m gettin’ plum tired of dodgin’ and bein’ chased out of the skies by those dastardly critters.”
“If they’re not zippin’ and blippin’ around playin’ Eye-Spy takin‘ pictures of everyone and everything in their path, they’re spittin’ out rapid fire bullets or droppin’ exploding’ pellets called bombs. It’s plain nerve wrackin’ ! A Bird should be able to fly out of his Nest to look for food or foolishness any time he pleases, and not have to worry about making it back to his Nest in one piece.” Pa Mockingbird took another look at his clipped tail feathers and shook his head in frustrated indignation.
“Speakin’ of makin’ it home safely, where’s Chick ?” Ma Mockingbird asked. “Did you leave our Son to the likes of that Drone Critter, Pa ?”
“Don’t go blamin’ me for the goin’s and comin’s of that young scalawag. That fledgling has got a mind of his own. I saw him flyin’ in high circles around Our Nesting Tree as I was hightailin’ it into Our Nest and away from that dad-burned Drone Critter.”
Ma Mockingbird looked up through the green boughs of the Mockingbird’s Nesting Tree until she located Chick flyin’ high above them. “Chick ! For heaven’s sakes, what are you doin’ flying around in circles up there ? There’s a renegade Drone Critter flyin’ around out there. You fly on down to the Nest right now, young fledgling.”
“Yes Ma’am ! I’ll be down directly.” Chick called back.
“Buzzards fly in circles around dead or dyin’ things, Chick. Not Mockingbirds,” Pa Mockingbird chortled.
“I’m not pretendin’ to be a stinkin’ buzzard, Pa. I’m practicin’ Gerrymanderin’,” Chick proudly explained.
“Gerrymanderin’ ? Pa Mockingbird scratched the back of his head with his left foot. “Why, Son you must be sufferin’ from air sickness due to flyin’ so high for so long. Gerrymanders are dee-licious little amphibians that flip around river beds and trees. They’re fast little ‘Manders, though. With eyes as big as bi-noculars. You gotta fly in low and quick to pluck up one of those critters. But they’re worth it. Umm, umm ! Yes Siree, dee-licious !”
“Chick, your Pa must be hungry, ‘cause he’s got Salamanderin’ mixed up with Gerrymanderin’. Although, I must admit that Salamanderin’ and Gerrymanderin’ are both steeped in some mighty Predatory and Territorial notions,” Ma Mockingbird explained.
“Fact is that Gerrymanderin’ is a purely Human Being creation. It’s when one side wants to take an unfair advantage over another. You see Human Bein’s create livin’ spaces that they call counties, districts or states, like the state of Texas, that our Nesting Tree is rooted inside of. When the Human Bein’s decided to be what they call political and Vote folks in to represent what they think or what they think that they think.” Ma Mockingbird continued.
“What they think that they think, Ma ?” Chick queried.
“Yes, son. Human Beings are such confusin’ and unpredictable creatures that they even confuse and unpredict themselves on a fairly regular basis.”
“I’ll second that confusin’ and all too predictable unpredictable notion, Ma,” Pa Mockingbird interjected.
“What does all of that gobblety-goop have to do with Gerrymanderin’,
Ma ?”
“Well, when one Human Bein’ political party wants to have an advantage over another they Rig the Political Game by dividing up the districts or counties or states unevenly according to size or the population.”
“What difference does that make if every Human Bein’ gets a Vote, Ma ?”
“Well, the Human Bein’s livin’ in the United States of America don’t just depend on their own Votes. Instead, they have something’ known as an Electoral College.”
“What does goin’ to school have to do with Votin’, Ma ? I’m gettin’ confused.” Chick Mockingbird admitted in consternation.
“The Electoral College is not a school, Chick. It’s a political critter made up of Human Bein’s called delegates, who are chosen by their districts, counties or states to represent the bundlin’ of all of the Votes made for whatever Human Bein’ is runnin’ for whatever office from whatever political party they support. And those delegates have the last say in who really wins the election.”
“Then why do the Human Bein’s think that it’s so important for them to have a Vote if the Electoral College has the final say anyway, Ma ? It makes no sense.”
“Hurrumph, Human Bein’s have never been long on common sense, fledgling,” Pa Mockingbird observed.
“You’re both right. It makes no common sense to us. But the Human Bein’s seem to be comfortable with their created nonsense.” Ma Mockingbird stated matter-of-factly.
“But Ma, if the Human Bein’s are cheatin’ on one another and always changing’ the Lines of the Land to suit their political parties as they please, then the Electoral College is pretty dad burn useless.” Chick surmised.
“Watch your language, young fledgling. And yes, you’re right the Human Bein’s constantly cheatin’ on one another would render the Electoral College obsolete.” Ma Mockingbird offered.
“What’s obsolete mean, Ma ?” Chick asked.
“It means that Gerrymanderin’ makes the Electoral College outgrow its usefulness. That it’s no longer needed. Which is probably just as well, because the Human Bein’s have invented a machine called a Computer that can process and count things like singular Votes lickety-split. All the Human Bein’s really need to do is let everyone cast their One vote, and the deed would be done, tabulated and over with fairly and squarely. No more worrying about political hijinx, as long as they have Regulatin’ Regualtors watchin’ over the Voting Results.” Ma Mockingbird asserted.
“Heck, Ma,” Pa Mockingbird chuckled. “The Human Bein’s oughta’ rename it the Non-Electoral Kindergarten, and be done with it.”
“Pa ! Ma ! What’s that hoverin’ and bleepin’ above our Nesting Tree ?” Chick whispered while peering through the dense foliage of the Nesting Tree.
“That gol durned Drone Critter is back to harass me some more“, Pa Mockingbird exclaimed. “I’ll not let it have another tail feather ! I’ve had it !”
“Shhh, Boys. Just be quiet for a spell and let it pass. When it discovers that nothin’ excitin’ is goin’ on here. It’ll mosey on. No need to let it win this Filibuster. We‘re holdin‘ most of the cards, as long as we stay put, stay quiet and play it smart.” Ma Mockingbird recommended.
“That Drone Critter is unfairly Gerrymanderin’ our Family Nesting Tree,
Ma ! I will not hide from that mechanical monster. I won’t do it, I tell you ! Pa Mockingbird whispered loudly.
“Stay right where you are, Pa and Chick. Don’t you boys move from the spots you’re standin’ in. We will wait that Drone Critter out. We will Filibuster its activities, not visa-versa. It’ll fly back to its Human Bein’ Master before long. I’m not allowin’ some terrible, invasive machine to Gerrymander me out of my Nest. I’m not lettin’ a cold-blooded, intrusive whirring contraption to chase me out of my Home.
I’m Standing My Ground !” Ma Mockingbird tweeted forcefully.
“You’re right, Ma. We’ll all Stand Our Ground, together. We can out-Filibuster that Gerrymanderin‘ Drone Critter any time, night or day.” Pa Mockingbird ruefully agreed. “ Have we gotta’ Human Bein’ phone book to read anywhere in this Nest, Ma ?”
“Shhh, It’s getting’ closer, Pa,” Chick Mockingbird wheezed.
“Bleep ! Bleep ! Whiz ! Whirr ! Zip ! Beep ! Zap !”
Plain and simple, if Bush had been caught doing this we on the left would burn him in effigy! We were outraged when he denied Americans their constitutional right to a fair trial and even denied them legal representation.We screamed foul when he okayed torture.We got mad when he allowed unwarranted wire tapping and got phone companies to hand over recors without subpeonas. This is different of course. This is the Obama administration murdering civilians suspected of treason. We must remember how the common reply to putting Bush/Cheney on trial for treason was that the charge of treason requires way too much proof!
You believe that the administration "got caught"?
Eric Holder, March 5, 2012:
http://www.justice.gov/iso/opa/ag/speeches/2012/ag-speech-1203051.html
There's much more. You can read for yourself or you can, again, wait for someone else to tell you what news is considered "breaking" or not.
Sorry for attempting to go along with the topic at hand rather than simply dismissing it as old news. It seems to me that active discussion on such topics should continue until either a desired result is accomplished or you have tired of trying to evoke action. Discrimination still exists after the civil rights act the civil rights marches brought about so we still hear occassional discussions about those discriminations and the law.Silence is shame to quote "letters from Vanzetti"
Thinking out loud. Does the term "collacteral damage" in subject with and to Human Beings has the appearance of to be nothing more than an excuse for murder? Please read the Federal Statue on murder. Further, please read all of the individual prosecuters, in court, statements made during the Nuremberg trials. Further, read the Manifest Destiny manifesto. Further, there are many other stealth methods to employ to rid ones "safe" enemies, just ask the Soviets or. On the surface, drone kills appears to be poor thinking and weak implemention concerning the problem. Read Dwight Eisenhower's farewell address. Look-Look up in the sky, its a bird, its a plane, its SUPERMAN! Or is it Chicken Little? Naw, its just an ol' DRONE. Oh well, I suppose those in the seat of Government know best.
It is fruitless to discuss levels of amorality. Wrong is wrong, yet saving American lives is the job of the government. In ALA. the cops just killed an American without a trial to save one child. Where is the outrage? If a drone takes out someone planning a bombing or embassy raid it may be wrong but it is cost effective in human lives. If you chose to hang out with the Gestapo during WWII and were killed by le resistance, c'est la guerre so to speak. I have no pity for the traitors in the Middle East. I do believe they watch CNN over there and know there is a hit list and can figure out if they are on it. If they were so proud of their actions they would not hide among women and children. If they were not prepared to die, why be a terrorist? If they were Americans in spirit, they could rant on this blog and be safe.