Associated Press
Doug Elmendorf, the director of the non-partisan Congressional Budget Office, told the House Budget Committee this morning that automatic sequestration cuts will cost the American economy 750,000 jobs just this year. And really, that's just the start, the "sequester" will push the economy closer to a recession, and do real damage to everything from education to food safety to medical research.
All of this leads to a fairly simple question: has Congress lost its mind?
The sequester was supposed to force both Democrats and Republicans to the bargaining table to work out a debt-reduction deal. With two weeks remaining until the brutal cuts kick in, Republicans realize how drastic the consequences would be, but aren't in the mood to compromise.
Republican lawmakers say a deal to reduce the deficit and replace $85 billion in automatic spending cuts set to take effect on March 1 is even less likely after President Obama's State of the Union address. [...]
"The president said we do not need a bigger government, but a smarter government, and I agree. But actions speak louder than words," said House Majority Leader Eric Cantor (R-Va.). "For four years, we have seen record deficits and mountains of debt heaped on our children and grandchildren. And for four years we have seen little to no action from President Obama or his Democratic colleagues in the Senate to take our spending problem seriously," Cantor added.
Three simple questions for Eric Cantor:
1. Do you realize President Obama and his Democratic colleagues have already approved $2.5 trillion in debt reduction; the deficit is shrinking at its fastest pace in generations; and government spending isn't growing at all? Or do you not pay attention to such details?
2. Do you realize that you voted for Bush's tax cuts, Bush's wars, Bush's Medicare expansion, and Bush's Wall Street bailout, every penny of which was deficit financed, without any regard for the "mountains of debt heaped on our children and grandchildren"? Or do you assume everyone in America has a very short memory?
3. If you already know the sequester will hurt Americans, why are you prepared to let it happen?
Of course, Cantor isn't the only one who's very hard to take seriously.
At this point, nearly every Republican member of Congress is saying the sequestration cuts will happen, and the GOP will simply tolerate the damage. These comments, in particular, were literally unbelievable.
Rep. Paul Ryan (R-Wis.) on Wednesday predicted the sequester would take effect, blaming President Obama and Senate Democrats for not offering an alternative or passing a budget.
"Because the Senate has not acted, because the president has not put a proposal yet on the table, that is why I think the sequester will probably occur," Ryan told "CBS's This Morning." "We have acted in the House. The Senate has not, the president has not, and that is why I think it will happen."
Maybe Paul Ryan isn't feeling well?
Senate Dems have a sequester alternative. The president has a sequester alternative. Both the Senate and the president have said they're ready for talks with Republicans. How can Paul Ryan not understand this?
"We have acted in the House"? For crying out loud, how can the chairman of the House Budget Committee not realize that his own caucus in his own chamber hasn't acted and hasn't presented a sequester alternative?
Honestly, becoming a prominent Republican policymaker must be incredibly liberating -- you get to say anything you want, even when you know it's the opposite of reality, without any regard for evidence or honesty, knowing there will be no consequences whatsoever.
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Once you pivot away from the truth, it's difficult to pivot back. Cantor is living proof of that...
Of all the mealy-mouthed scum in Congress in desperate need of "a damn good whacking," Eric Cantor is top of the list.
Now this is settled maybe democrats should focus on NOT letting the traitors spin this come election day 2014. The Obama machine has to work Main street non-stop now.
This sure is a lot of whining about a lousy $60 billion reduction in spending. That's about what they passed for Sandy.
Meanwhile the Obama spending cuts are fake, you all have gotten all the new tax revenue you're going to get, and all this drama just makes the left look childish. Tsk.
blanks,
You are clearly delusional. Seek professional help at once.
Shooter242 #2.1
If you look closely at the Ryan 'Spending Is the Problem' chart you will notice that spending GOES DOWN during the Obama Administration. This is Paul Ryan, the Republican budget 'expert' confirming what has been common knowledge here, that the President and Democrats have been serious about the deficit and spending since the beginning. The Republicans, on the other hand, have yet to propose anything that reduces the deficit according to anyone's arithmetic, right or left. All this drama makes the right look childish while they stage their sit down strike in Congress instead of taking care of the nation's business. Tsk.
The parable says it best: remove the plank from your own eye BEFORE you remove the speck from your neighbor's eye. We progressives are here to help because we see fine.
Joseph, do you understand that the deficit is larger than all the personal income tax collected from all the country for all the year? Does that make you realize that raising taxes that much more is impossible? Ergo we have a spending problem, because there is no way to raise enough money to match the amount spent.
Any questions?
Shooter242 #2.4
Do YOU realize that the President understands that and proved it by REDUCING SPENDING and REDUCING THE DEFICIT? Nothing Republicans propose does either according to anyone's arithmetic, right or left. This gives you a choice, either work with those REDUCING THE DEFICIT or support the Republicans. You cannot do both.
I don't think so. You're giving Obama credit for what the Republican House has done. Keep spending down.
Shooter do you realize that Our US corporations and the rich have over 60 trillion dollars sitting in off shore bank accounts. That is enough to pay the total debt 4 time over. Time for you to get a clue as to what is happening you are a minnion for the rich.
Give Obama credit for what the Republican house has done? That would mean that the house has actually done something.
Delusion.
Why are you guys talking to this numb nut? His name is shooter and clearly he has shot himself (low caps intended). They think in reverse, so if in a car with them and you want to go forward do not say drive. If reverse, do not say reverse. Always say the opposite so they can look anyway from their stupidity. Deficit spending is not the problem. The House is the problem. You cannot sit around 4 years doing nothing other than pointing out what you do not like about what some else is doing and complain about those same people not doing anything. Especially when it is partly your job to get it done. The call for a vote during the SOU goes for everything, not just gun control!
JMac, why do you think all that money is sitting overseas? You can't force people do what you want, when they can leave your jurisdiction. Stop thinking like a dictator.
Used to, Yes, Republicans have done something. They speak truth to power, and right now power is running amok.
Raziel, Deficit spending isn't a problem when one has no intention of paying it back. Why would you advocate being a deadbeat? What is wrong with you?
Shooter242 #2.6
You might have had a point if ANYTHING Republicans proposed reduced the deficit but nothing does.
You might have had a point if Republicans did not demonstrate that they cannot or will not lead.
You might have had a point if Republicans specified spending cuts like President Obama's $1 trillion IMPLEMENTED as a result of the sequestration negotiations.
Democrats have walked the walk reducing the deficit, Republicans have staged a sit down strike. The choice remains; either work with those reducing the deficit or support Republicans. You cannot do both.
Shooter, they make the money overseas then beg the GOP to let them bring it back in with tax amnesty's and the GOP falls for it, saying that they are Job Creators. Know what the corporations then do with the money, after they pay only 5% on those foreign profits? They sit on it, or they engage in stock buy-back programs that further increase the value on the exchanges. They are not growing their companies because the GOP keeps dicking around with austerity measures when the USG needs to keep spending high to keep the economy rolling.
...or kill me.
Can we stop talking about what the GOP wants us to talk about? We do have frontal lobes, right?
America needs jobs, not austerity. Let's talk about Jobs. Because we have serious problems.
The Bureau of Labor statistics projects a jobs growth rate of .7% per year for 2010-2020 (BLS). Our Population is projected to grow .76% per year in the same period (spreadsheet at census.gov)
You know what that means? The employment to population ratio will be going down, not up. We were at 63% in 2007, we are down to 58.5% now, and we are sinking further. This means even greater income disparity as there are fewer and fewer jobs for more and more mouths to feed.
Maybe we should talk about that.
Thank you, John!
We're being held hostage by the crazies. There IS no logic to them, there's no reasoning out insanity. There's no fixing them.
Let's quit talking about them, quit quoting them, and start discussing what the non-crazies in Washington are doing in spite of Congress being Chock Full O' Nuts. Talk about the positive things, the progressive things, ANYTHING to get off the useless topic of the worn-out, pathetic crazies.
sigh...
From what I've seen you two wouldn't know how to operate a business much less understand the job creation process. Let me help... labor is a group of people standing around with nothing to do - until someone shows up with an idea and the money to pursue it arrives - needing help. That's true for day labor all the way up to rocket scientists. Now what do you think the guy with an idea wants? Answer that and you'll be halfway to creating jobs.
John is correct. It's time to ignore the Republican talking points and go straight on offense. If Democrats did that, they'd crush the Republicans. Kick Republicans around like they were just some annoying, obnoxious, little yapping chihuahuas. (Apologies to yapping chihuahua lovers.)
Here, let me help you blanks, as you are clearly flailing around, desperately trying to make sense:
"the idea and the money to pursue it" is a group of people standing around with nothing to do until someone shows up and does the work for them because they are either too lazy or too stupid or too wimpy and weak to do it themselves.
labor is the group of people whose ideas are manifest in the day's work. That's true for day labor all the way up to rocket scientists.
Now what do you think the guy with an idea wants? Actually that guy wants a fair shot at making his idea a reality, realizes that he can't do it on his own, and is willing to pay people a living wage for what he can't do on his own. That guy with the idea is looking for a level playing field to succeed and not worry about those other greedy, selfish, corrupt b@stards with ideas forcing him out of business before he even gets started.
Now, that person or persons working for him have the right to be fairly compensated for her work, paid the same salary as her male counterparts, and to be treated with respect, without worrying that person with the idea is trying to pay them as little as possible, while the person with the idea pockets as much money as humanly possible.
All the while those persons with the idea and money to pursue it would be nowhere and nothing at all without the help from others and without that labor.
THAT is your answer, blanks.
You're welcome.
You should understand by now it does no good.
Look at the mismatch of those numbers. .7% job growth and .76% population growth.
We are sinking.
The US is going down, and it is not a cyclic, but a structural problem. Unfortunately, if you itemize the president's Jobs proposals from his speech, they are absurdly puny to face this challenge. He has a golden opportunity to press for radical revamping of our economy to respond to climate change, yet he opts for caution. The changes required would trigger enormous demand for jobs if the administration made incentivizing middle class growth rather than investor capital efficiency the goal.
If he continues to reject the empirical facts of our situation, history will record him as a symbolic president, but not a great president. It's too bad, because he is smarter than this.
John, while I agree that the President should do more to push for a more radical WPA style work program; just look at Blankmans response - standard GOTP talking points. Also, the GOTP don't see any need for "government" to do anything except spend on "Defense". That whole "Free Market" mentality is entrenched - even though it has failed US over and over and over.
Not to mention that that "librul media" whose job is to inform the public would much rather opt for being corporate shills or the lazy "both sides do it" argument all while keeping the public dis-informed on - well every issue.
Ok Shooter, in answer to your question " Now what do you think the guy with an idea wants? Answer that and you'll be halfway to creating jobs."
He wants capital to develop his idea, maybe a loan from the Small Business Administration, maybe a federal grant to research his idea, maybe some infrastructure to facilitate the development of his idea, maybe some educated, well trained people to turn his idea into a lucrative business. An idea is nothing without a support structure.
And it might be nice to have customers to buy the product.
Not convinced unemployment problem is structural.
But Obama's speech and proposals are, yet again, very, very disappointing. Still playing on wingnut turf. Still willing to demoralize his base and support for 2014 despite the prospect of OFA by offering up entitlement cuts. Still not willing to argue the absolute necessity of the Congress to do something about climate change. (Yes, I heard what he said.) Still dangerously close to admitting he'll agree to allow Keystone XL. And still not biitch-slapping Republicans like they deserve.
DWA- if it is cyclical, then how do you explain the BLS gloomy projection on Jobs rates. My view is that we have incentivized cannibalization of the middle class. Automation and offshoring maximizes extraction of wealth from consumers, but destroys the purchasing power of consumers needed to sustain the consumer economy.
That looks pretty structural to me, and it is not something that the typical answers to structural weakness will answer. We can't educate our way out of it. The demand in jobs is at the low end of the scale as shown in this graph taken from a report at the federal reserve site. The graph shows a disturbing trend. The amount of high end jobs is shrinking, while all growth is at the lowest skill jobs. More education means more PHDs are going to be pushing brooms and driving taxis.
mark, he wants to make money, not take money. The world runs on profit.
I agree we need to stimulate our economy now and worry obout the debt after we get our population working. Our Debt and Spending is not important right now people not having jobs are. No rich person or corporation will invest a dime for new jobs if there is no demand for the product or service. I do not care how good an idea it is they will not get a dime invested if the middle class has no money. The middle class is the engine that drives our economy not the rich. When we spend we create jobs, and we spend what we have. You want jobs in this nation get money in the hand of the middle class.
Zora we do not have a liberal media, the majority of our media outlets are owned by corporations and the right leaning rich. That is a another lie the GOP loves to say how left leaning the media it but it is far from left leaning.
Bloody hell! Zora didn't write the words liberal media, but "librul media". How freaking obvious does the sarcasm have to be before you notice it?
. No rich person or corporation will invest a dime for new jobs if there is no demand for the product or service.
This is wrong. Every business spends money and creates new jobs before demand is determined. Every time Apple puts out a new product it spends billions without knowing for sure whether it will catch on. Please stop parading your ignorance of how an economy works.
Has blanks ever heard of market research? Large companies like Apple use market research as an integral part of any expansion or product development decision.
I run a small business. I think the following could be true for most small businesses (by small business, I mean total sales + assets under $1 million, not few employees with huge assets): demand must be there for this small business to expand. Without increased demand, we continue making the profit we can make given the sales opportunities afforded to us. More sales opportunities = expansion. Our business model is modest and prudent as it is for many small businesses; we do not invest in expansion unless our capacity is already around 100%.
If the GOP would stop strangling budget negotiations and quit pushing for austerity measures before the ecnonomy is healthy, then business would be more willing to invest in expansion. As it is, with the threatened shutdowns and sequesters, markets across the globe are holding their breath. A joint plan created in advance of deadlines would do all of us a world of good
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It's as if Republicans are tone deaf in a musical world. They don't even notice that they're off key and out of rhythm but merrily march along as if nothing is wrong. We're watching a train wreck in slo-mo. How do you knock some sense into people who have no common sense in the first place?
Good analogy. It's like Romney's rendition of America the Beautiful - one of the most tone deaf efforts I've heard.
The Republicans do not care what happens to the country even the wealthy donors who supported them. They only want to be able to blame the President and the Dems. for the damage that their policies have caused. They claim to be for sef-reliance and responsibility, but they cannot take responsibility for the the consequences of their policies. They want to have their cake and eat it too. They want to keep their ideology, but want to have someone to blame when their fantasies do not work out in the real world.
Pull a Bush/Cheney. Declare them traitors and ship them off to Guantanamo.
Hey Boehner and you thugs who dare call yourselves House Republicans:
WTF is going on? You're scheduling a 10 day vacation right before our economy is set to blow up?
WTF House Republicans - why can't you use your government position to promote smart government? Instead, you give us common American citizens WTF moments with your recalcitrance, with your stale political bromides, and with your smarmy strut into one potential societal disaster after another, seemingly because of your ill-tempered blind resistance to our POTUS!
WTF House Republicans do us a favor and do your job by solving some pressing problems instead of making them worse, and prolonged! -Kevo
oh, p.s. We are awaiting 2014 to send our American coalition back to the polls, so be afraid even if you believe you represent a safe gerrymandered district, because we are organizing now! -Kevo
They are still wondering why they lost, clearly they didn't learn anything from the last election
It is trying to put a hopeful face on the utter dystopia the bright and fresh faced boys the Republican party has been offering us since 2001 . These active boys need an outlet for their more destructive tendencies that find only find the partial satisfaction of maiming the objects of their ire , than the fully realized slaughter they brazenly boast about .
When placing burdens upon those least able in carrying them , the kindergarten minds of the Libertarian Rand analysis groups greet their objectives with a cool goodbye . A goodbye from the vale of tears these engineers without conscience accept as a good and proper Darwinian death . Death for the grubby fools who foolishly elect to be born into the less wealthy available means of most humans .
One is must be blessed with an abundance of tolerance to begin to meet the cruelty and tiny brained stubbornness that is a job requirement for insisting upon weak ideas that fail in penetrating the rudimentary framework of the most basic issues . A job for Ryan , Cantor , and the orange clown that is never late for happy hour .
It couldn't happen to a nicer place!
This might teach the Simpletons/voters whom butters their bread with more than ideology. I say let the sequester commence and to literal Hell with the GOP.
I don't agree with letting the sequester happen, if it can be prevented, but I sure agree with your final sentiment. If Boehner wants to complain that President Obama is trying to "obliterate" the GOP, I'd remind him that they're doing a pretty good job of it themselves.
I wish Obama was trying to obliterate the GOP. It's what the country needs. Instead what we see is Obama still essentially playing their game and offering to let them save themselves. What I'd like to see is Obama openly tell them he's out to crush their balls.
I would rather that the sequester not happen. On the other hand this is probably the only chance that we have in reducing the budget of the defence department. What really bothers me is the reduction of all the other worth while programs and of course the job losses.
It's not "Congress" that has lost it.
It's the Republicans that have lost it.
and a majority of "Congress" IS republicans.
#11.1 Only in the House of Representatives. And that was due to extreme gerrymandering. You have forgotten that the House is not all of Congress. The Senate is majority Democratic.
I don't want to plunge into the cynicism pool, but it will be impossible to have 'smarter government' as long as the GOP controls the House. To them, to be 'dumb as rocks' is a badge of honor and apparently a step up from where they were.
Hardly. Republicans recognize that Democrats have no impulse control. Somebody has to be the grownup.
Yes June,
The House GOP are dumb as a rocks. But it doesn't stop there. Those who post absolute nonsense and support the GOP are also as dumb as rocks.
And some of those idiots post here on this site.
Exhibit A: blanks
Dumb as a rock....
Impulse control, like trillion dollar occupations impulse control.. Your brain is on Warp 5 today blanks..
Shooter242 #12.1
Reducing the deficit 21% IS impulse control, funding wars off budget is not.
Reducing spending $80 per capita IS impulse control, increasing spending $3,000+ per capita is not.
Democrats did the former, Republicans the latter, so I guess you consider the Democrats the grownups, which is what we progressives have known all along. Now you can help the grownups govern or continue to support the Republicans in Congress - you cannot do both.
Shooter242
How about the Republican "impulse" to go on vacation every time there is a crisis looming?
Do you folks not understand that Obama has racked up more debt than Bush? In half the time?
Do you realize the Congressional Budget Office puts the cause of those deficits on Bush Administration wars and tax cuts.
Do you realize the CBO sees deficits DISAPPEARING without those wars and tax cuts?
Do you realize the fact that Democrats have done more to fix deficits than Republicans have?
This gives you a choice - help reduce deficits or vote Republican. You cannot do both.
This chart speaks volumes. Thank goodness for Republicans.
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/obama-deficit-e1334149698931.jpg
Shooter242 #12.8
Whoever put that chart together is in error since the CBO and almost everyone else places the responsibility for the $1.4 trillion deficit in FY2009 on the Bush Administration - where it belongs. That FY started three months before President Obama was inaugurated. Paul Ryan's 'Spending Is the Problem' chart speaks volumes since he has spending going down during the Obama Administration - the first president to do that in at least 50 years. Thank goodness for Democrats.
Your republican ether-sniffing has resulted in permanent brain damage. The chart you linked to is the lamest piece of propaganda I've seen in a while. Blanks, I'm just gonna call you Brick: dumb as one and results of your shooting your mouth off.
Let's thank goodness for Republicans and count the ways:
Besides that let's throw in climate change denial, Taliban-level religious fundamentalism, racism, ineptitude and an easy relationship with hypocrisy and really, truly thank goodness for Republicans.
Most people seem to think the repubs are crazy, but they are not.. They know what they are doing, the GOP is in lock step to bring this President down. What the President spoke about in his speech is just plain common sense, but the repubs don't freaking care and they are beyond even trying to pretend.The GOP doesn't want to govern, they want to rule.
We need the media/reporters to start asking follow-up questions to every politician. Why didn't CBS point these things out to Ryan...why don't all reporters ask questions to clarify the politicians position. I'm sure the politician would not answer the questions and just walk away, because they are incapable of answering such questions. They only have talking points...no basis for defending their comments or position. Or they hide on FoxNoise where they know no one will ask a question that challenges them. We need more Tim Russerts that will ask the hard questions and demand answers. Put these people on spot, make them answer the questions when they are spewing this nonsense. Someone needs to ask Cantor those questions while he is being taped...see how he answers them. Doesn't do any good to post the questions here...I'm getting tired of this crap.
The only Media Cantor will talk to is Faux news. Fair and balance and spinning like a yoyo!
We shouldn't be too quick to knock sequestration. We desperately need to cut defense spending. Defensive spending itself harms the country. Yes, you will create jobs building rockets and bombs, but it costs money to store it, to secure it, if you use it in a theater of war you gotta pay for the veterans it creates, and when a bomb goes boom, the money you invested to create it vanishes.
Every dollar that goes to the Pentagon that goes beyond what it takes to provide for our common defense is a dollar that is flushed down the Pentagon toilet forever. The bigger the defense cuts we can make, the better.
It depends on what you mean by defense budget.
The contractors, the big ticket drains like the military's hi-dollar toys and fancy training facilities, and these overseas reconstruction efforts won't be where the fiscal blood-letting will start.
It WILL be coming out of the wallets of government workers who are being threatened with furloughs and down-sizing and agency budget trimming. There's already a hiring freeze.
The cuts will start in pay and personnel, they always start with pay and personnel, and then Republican Propaganda TV and the Sunday shows will ride that wave and lie their asses off to voters saying they'd NEVER have furloughed workers, no, not them, it's those Democrats who say they're for the people but look, look!
The sequester is just another opportunity for the Republicans to score more points off Democrats to get their useless carcasses elected.
Alva is correct that the defense budget needs to be cut. The sequester achieves that cut. Republicans are offering nothing except restoring the defense cuts at the expense of more domestic program cuts. What are the incentives for Dems to agree to such a plan when they have a 50% cut in defense and 50% cut in domestic programs with SS, Medicare and Medicaid protected? NONE because the Republicans are offering nothing as a compromise. The Republicans have two downsides to the sequester; Dems can claim they are using politics to hurt the country's security and job losses will occur in Republican districts, particularly those that have defense industries or military bases. Finally, Dems will be able to argue that Republicans are not capable of governing with another fiscal crisis created by them. Obama won the fairness argument and if public opinion goes against the Republicans, they will cave yet again on another crisis that Republicans created. They have already caved twice so if they cave on the sequester it will be the third time.
From Jan 2001 to Feb 2013, Cantor missed 345 of 8,606 roll call votes, which is 4.0%. This is worse than the median of 2.2% among the lifetime records of representatives currently serving.
Because wrecking the economy is still the best plan for returning to power. With another off-year election coming up soon, they're counting on sending the country into a double-dip that they can blame on Obama so that they can repeat the blowout of 2010 and get control of the Senate as well as beefing up their majority in the House and the States.
not going to happen, look , the world is changing, there is no room for idiots like these people in it, They can do or say anything they want to do?, thats the problem with reperbs, they think all Americans are stupid!!!!! dems will take back the house and that will be the end of the reperbs
You chide Cantor for saying "We have acted in the House," when that action was actually in the last congress, while claiming that Senate Democrats have not acted. Your post says Senate Democrats have proposed an alternative but your links lead back to a Feb 8 Huffpost story that Senate Democrats PROPOSED to submit an alternative. I am not sure that proposing to submit an alternative is much better than an alternative submitted in the previous congress. Did Senate Dems follow through and actually submit a bill?
These guys are exactly the reason that the President needs to take executive action on everything he wants to do. Damn the Republicans, full speed ahead! This may be our last chance, or last glimpse, at any opportunity to save our country from the corporate elitists who cloak themselves with the dark cape of Republicanisim.
Will the people who voted these evil greed mongers in please wake up and be sure to get rid of them!!!??? Your bad decisions in voting are ruining the future of my children and yours but thoroughly enhancing the future of th 1% and thier closest cronies!!!
It wouldn't matter what Obama said in the SOTU. The Republicans are a Death Train running out of control and dragging this country along with to economic and financial armageddon.
Shooter242, I suggest you go back to your household and business budgets and come back for meaningful discussion only when you understand the fiscal, monetary and economic machinations of Government.
The Republicans are a faith-based organization. When facts are in conflict with ideology, then reality must be in error. As so eloquently stated by Neil Newhouse of the Romney campaign, "We're not going to let our campaign be dictated by fact-checkers."
Is there a Petition somewhere regarding a no confidence vote in the Republicans and Tea Party people in Congress that we can sign to get rid of this bunch?
You really want the truth here, its Mitts fault , this was his departing last speech to Ryan , Cantor and all others, needs to be done, will not be done, and all hell will break loose in DC, I really expect to see people going to The Congress foot steps and going after Cantor, Ryan and the rest of Congress , it has happened before and will happen again, I do remember one Congressman getting punched on live TV, watch yor backs fellows were coming for ya, its not a threat its a promise